Taxi Driver allowed continue working on condition females sit in the back seat

Dr Brown

You couldn't make this story up.

A Non-National Taxi driver who sexually assaulted 3 young women is allowed to continue working provided women don't sit in the front of the Taxi.

The Judges in Ireland are really taking the piss.


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/taxi-driver-who-sexually-assaulted-three-young-women-remanded-on-bail-on-condition-no-female-passengers-sit-in-front-seat-38000923.html

A taxi driver who sexually assaulted three young women within two weeks has had his case adjourned to allow for the preparation of a psychological report.
Mansoor Uddin (41), a married father of three, sexually assaulted two of the women on the same night after demanding that one of them get out of his taxi when he saw her trying to get a photo of his identification.

Sgt Cronin agreed with Seamus Clarke SC, defending, that as part of his bail conditions a female passenger is not permitted to be a front seat passenger in Uddin's taxi.
She accepted that he is a Pakistan national who is married with two teenage daughters and a younger son.

Ulysses Gaze

Dr Brown wrote: »

You couldn't make this story up.

A Non-National Taxi driver who sexually assaulted 3 young women is allowed to continue working provided women don't sit in the front of the Taxi.

The Judges in Ireland are really taking the piss.


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/taxi-driver-who-sexually-assaulted-three-young-women-remanded-on-bail-on-condition-no-female-passengers-sit-in-front-seat-38000923.html

Non-National or not, that is a ****ing ridiculously stupid decision by the Judge.

ohnonotgmail

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Non-National or not, that is a ****ing ridiculously stupid decision by the Judge.

It was the only decision the judge could have made.

frag420

Dr Brown wrote: »

You couldn't make this story up.

A Non-National Taxi driver who sexually assaulted 3 young women is allowed to continue working provided women don't sit in the front of the Taxi.

The Judges in Ireland are really taking the piss.


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/taxi-driver-who-sexually-assaulted-three-young-women-remanded-on-bail-on-condition-no-female-passengers-sit-in-front-seat-38000923.html

Did the article mention he was a non national or was that you throwing that in for the fun of it?

Having said that going by your posts on another thread it seems anything that isn’t a white god fearing christian is not good enough for you!?

ratracer

The incidents happened in 2016, and he is still driving now?

gimli2112

isn't there a regulator? I genuinely can't believe this is happening

Ulysses Gaze

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It was the only decision the judge could have made.

How so?

Sonics2k

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It was the only decision the judge could have made.

What?

realdanbreen

Dr Brown wrote: »

You couldn't make this story up.

A Non-National Taxi driver who sexually assaulted 3 young women is allowed to continue working provided women don't sit in the front of the Taxi.

The Judges in Ireland are really taking the piss.


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/taxi-driver-who-sexually-assaulted-three-young-women-remanded-on-bail-on-condition-no-female-passengers-sit-in-front-seat-38000923.html

It doesn't say anywhere in that report that he is a non national, why are you making this up?

ohnonotgmail

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

How so?

Sonics2k wrote: »

What?

The judge does not have the right to remove his licence. Only the gardai can do that. And only after he has been convicted and exhausted his appeals.

tayto lover

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The judge does not have the right to remove his licence. Only the gardai can do that. And only after he has been convicted and exhausted his appeals.

The Judge should have jailed him. No problems then.

tonycascarino

I read about this story yesterday. The taxi-driver should be deported out of the country. We don't owe anything to anybody coming into this country.

kneemos

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The judge does not have the right to remove his licence. Only the gardai can do that. And only after he has been convicted and exhausted his appeals.

Thread.

Pissartist

I stated in another thread that none of my female friends will get in a taxi with a non national, generally black fellas. They were called racist by some members on here.
I can assure you they are not racist, just looking after themselves.
So the fact this fella is still allowed to be a taxi man really beggers belief and will strengthen my friends resolve.

yosser hughes

Surely someone convicted of such crimes should not be allowed drive a taxi? It is utterly bizarre.
Apart from that why is this man in Ireland?
Do we need to import Taxi drivers from Pakistan?
There is another taxi driver from Pakistan due in court for sexual assault around Christmas.
There was/is a recognised pattern of this behaviour in the UK.

Cordell

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The judge does not have the right to remove his licence. Only the gardai can do that. And only after he has been convicted and exhausted his appeals.

No, but the judge can dictate bailing conditions. No woman in front should have been not working as a taxi driver. That's assuming that it's acceptable to have alleged sex offenders out on bail.

Charles Ingles

Think it would be safer all around if he put all his female passengers in the boot for safe keeping.

realdanbreen

tonycascarino wrote: »

I read about this story yesterday. The taxi-driver should be deported out of the country. We don't owe anybody coming into this country anything.

How do you know that he is not an Irish citizen?

quokula

Pissartist wrote: »

I stated in another thread that none of my female friends will get in a taxi with a non national, generally black fellas. They were called racist by some members on here.
I can assure you they are not racist, just looking after themselves.
So the fact this fella is still allowed to be a taxi man really beggers belief and will strengthen my friends resolve.

How does this prove anything about non nationals? Maybe it says something about people from Lucan. Or 41 year olds. Or just men.

An Claidheamh

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The judge does not have the right to remove his licence. Only the gardai can do that. And only after he has been convicted and exhausted his appeals.

Then how come the judge was allowed tell him who he can and cannot have in his front seat?

She has that power?

If anything happens, it's on her, especially after those people came forward.

There should be a picture of the judge and a full explanation from her. That's the disgrace.

Instead, an anti-immigrant rant.

ohnonotgmail

kneemos wrote: »

Thread.

Indeed.

Amirani

yosser hughes wrote: »

Surely someone convicted of such crimes should not be allowed drive a taxi? It is utterly bizarre.
Apart from that why is this man in Ireland?
Do we need to import Taxi drivers from Pakistan?
There is another taxi driver from Pakistan due in court for sexual assault around Christmas.
There was/is a recognised pattern of this behaviour in the UK.

So you didn't read the article then? :rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Then how come the judge was allowed tell him who he can and cannot have in his front seat?

She has that power?

If anything happens, it's on her, especially after those people came forward.

There should be a picture of the judge and a full explanation from her. That's the disgrace.

Instead, an anti-immigrant rant.

It is not on the judge at all. the judge has done all they are allowed to do. Your anger is misdirected.

Dude89

Just seen that article, what a disgrace!!

tonycascarino

realdanbreen wrote: »

How do you know that he is not an Irish citizen?

He is from Pakistan not Ireland. Commit a crime then out he should go. We don't need to be bringing in anyone like that into the country.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/taxi-driver-who-sexually-assaulted-three-women-stopped-victim-taking-photo-1.3854917

Mickeroo

Pissartist wrote: »

I stated in another thread that none of my female friends will get in a taxi with a non national, generally black fellas. They were called racist by some members on here.
I can assure you they are not racist, just looking after themselves.
So the fact this fella is still allowed to be a taxi man really beggers belief and will strengthen my friends resolve.

They are literally the definition of racist.

ohnonotgmail

Cordell wrote: »

No, but the judge can dictate bailing conditions. No woman in front should have been not working as a taxi driver. That's assuming that it's acceptable to have alleged sex offenders out on bail.

The judge did dictate bail conditions. What she could not do is deprive him of his livelihood as part of those conditions.

major bill

''She accepted that he is a Pakistan national who is married with two teenage daughters and a younger son.''

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/taxi-driver-who-sexually-assaulted-three-women-stopped-victim-taking-photo-1.3854917


Non national or not, how the **** do the Regulator allow him to continue driving a taxi while out on bail.

realdanbreen

tonycascarino wrote: »

He is from Pakistan not Ireland. Commit a crime then out he should go. We don't need to be bringing in anyone like that into the country.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/taxi-driver-who-sexually-assaulted-three-women-stopped-victim-taking-photo-1.3854917

It doesn't say anywhere in the article that he is from Pakistan! The only place it refers to is Lucan!

BrokenArrows

Pissartist wrote: »

I stated in another thread that none of my female friends will get in a taxi with a non national, generally black fellas. They were called racist by some members on here.
I can assure you they are not racist, just looking after themselves.
So the fact this fella is still allowed to be a taxi man really beggers belief and will strengthen my friends resolve.

Fair enough its their decision, however they would probably have no problem getting into a taxi with a white british person who is also a non national.

It is racism no matter how you look at it.

ohnonotgmail

realdanbreen wrote: »

It doesn't say anywhere in the article that he is from Pakistan! The only place it refers to is Lucan!

from the end of the article

She accepted that he is a Pakistan national who is married with two teenage daughters and a younger son.

_Brian

Yea I don’t think race or nationality comes into this.

It’s the most recent in a long line of morally suspect decisions being made in the court.

Does his right to earn a living really exceed his risk to public safety ??

Undividual

quokula wrote: »

How does this prove anything about non nationals? Maybe it says something about people from Lucan. Or 41 year olds. Or just men.

If non-nationals were more likely to commit sexual assault, is that something that should be discussed?

Seems to me that the government, the EU, the Irish/European media and a lot of citizens want to have zero discussion about immigration.

ohnonotgmail

For those interested there is already a thread in the Legal Discussion forum that explains why the judge did what she did and why she did not do what others here are asking. Apologies in advance to the Legal Discussion mods.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057971506

Will I Am Not

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

from the end of the article

Yeah but it didn’t say that in the first few lines that they read...

yosser hughes

Amirani wrote: »

So you didn't read the article then? :rolleyes:

He pleaded guilty. He Will be convicted. Full marks for pedantry though.

ohnonotgmail

Undividual wrote: »

If non-nationals were more likely to commit sexual assault, is that something that should be discussed?

Why do you think it wasn't mentioned in the article whether this man was a non-national or not? Seems to me that the government, the EU, the Irish/European media and a lot of citizens want to have zero discussion about immigration.

It was mentioned that he was a non-national.

Will I Am Not

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

For those interested there is already a thread in the Legal Discussion forum that explains why the judge did what she did and why she did not do what others here are asking. Apologies in advance to the Legal Discussion mods.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057971506

He should be made display a sign stating that he is out on bail for sexually assaulting female passengers.

Cordell

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The judge did dictate bail conditions. What she could not do is deprive him of his livelihood as part of those conditions.

Or maybe deprive him of the opportunity to do it again?

ohnonotgmail

Cordell wrote: »

Or maybe deprive him of the opportunity to do it again?

How so?

Hoboo

realdanbreen wrote: »

It doesn't say anywhere in the article that he is from Pakistan! The only place it refers to is Lucan!

"She accepted that he is a Pakistan national who is married with two teenage daughters and a younger son."

Clearly does.

Sonics2k

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The judge does not have the right to remove his licence. Only the gardai can do that. And only after he has been convicted and exhausted his appeals.

Ah, I honestly did not know that. I assumed a Judge would have that ability given the nature of the crime.

Mrsmum

Woman is attacked walking home and people will say what was she doing out at 2 in the morning by herself. Another woman gets a taxi and this happens. Years ago you would feel really safe in a taxi, not so much now.


As an aside, standards have gone way down. I got a taxi in Dublin recently and the taxi driver effed and blinded without any attempt at controlling himself about his ex wife bleeding him dry and he was so angry and agitated, I had to ask him to drop me out half way on the journey.

quokula

Undividual wrote: »

If non-nationals were more likely to commit sexual assault, is that something that should be discussed?

Seems to me that the government, the EU, the Irish/European media and a lot of citizens want to have zero discussion about immigration.

Where is the evidence that non-nationals are more likely to commit sexual assault? One taxi driver?

Undividual

BrokenArrows wrote: »

Fair enough its their decision, however they would probably have no problem getting into a taxi with a white british person who is also a non national.

It is racism no matter how you look at it.

Would you say that to a Rotherham victim?

Odyssey 2005

You seem surprised op. This is Ireland, the land of equal opportunities, whether your guilty or not. He shouldn't have even got bail.

Undividual

quokula wrote: »

Where is the evidence that non-nationals are more likely to commit sexual assault? One taxi driver?

Rotherham?

Dr Brown

Mickeroo wrote: »

They are literally the definition of racist.

I don't think so they are just looking out for themselves as the other poster alluded to.

The statistics would indicate there may be a problem with Non-National Taxi drivers in terms of these sort of offenses.


https://www.herald.ie/news/woman-consented-to-sex-in-taxi-rape-suspect-tells-gardai-37694287.html


https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/cab-driver-gets-eight-years-for-party-rape-27957399.html


https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/taxi-man-charged-with-passengers-rape-is-denied-bail-31301475.html

ohnonotgmail

Dr Brown wrote: »

I don't think so they are just looking out for themselves as the other poster alluded to.

The statistics would indicate there may be a problem with Non-National Taxi drivers in terms of these sort of offenses.


https://www.herald.ie/news/woman-consented-to-sex-in-taxi-rape-suspect-tells-gardai-37694287.html


https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/cab-driver-gets-eight-years-for-party-rape-27957399.html


https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/taxi-man-charged-with-passengers-rape-is-denied-bail-31301475.html

What statistics are they? you haven't linked to any.

realdanbreen

tonycascarino wrote: »

I read about this story yesterday. The taxi-driver should be deported out of the country. We don't owe anybody coming into this country anything.

Yeah, we should stick posters in the window like in England in the 1960's..'No Irish or blacks need apply' that would show them!

ToBeFrank123

tonycascarino wrote: »

He is from Pakistan not Ireland. Commit a crime then out he should go. We don't need to be bringing in anyone like that into the country.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/taxi-driver-who-sexually-assaulted-three-women-stopped-victim-taking-photo-1.3854917

Agree fully. But I would imagine its almost impossible to deport someone from this country given the lengthy legal process. And he is probably a citizen at this stage. So to deport him, you'd have to strip him of Irish citizenship which again I think is impossible. So nope, all the legal cards are in his favour.

But, sexual assault should mean a lifetime ban from being a taxi driver. I hope even liberal lefty types recognise that.