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Best new SUV or estate around 20K?

  • 09-04-2019 4:29pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭


    Any suggestions or recommendations?

    Dacia Duster seems to be the main choice, it's for a relative, they'll want to transport some large dogs. Can stretch to 21/22k, petrol or diesel manual


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,903 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Stingerbar wrote: »
    Any suggestions or recommendations?

    Dacia Duster seems to be the main choice, it's for a relative, they'll want to transport some large dogs. Can stretch to 21/22k, petrol or diesel manual

    The duster is old Renault technology so what you’re getting is old technology. You’d be better off getting a second hand X trail /Tucson / qasqusi and letting someone else take a hit in bud depreciating in the first three years


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭ba_barabus


    ted1 wrote: »
    The duster is old Renault technology so what you’re getting is old technology. You’d be better off getting a second hand X trail /Tucson / qasqusi and letting someone else take a hit in bud depreciating in the first three years

    You mean an XTrail or Qashqai with the same engine, gearbox and a huge array of other parts shared with the new Duster? Silly comment.

    OP does the car have to be new? How big a dog are we talking about? SUV type cars can actually be difficult for large dogs to enter and exit especially as they age and aren't as agile.

    I'd strongly advise an estate model over one. Which also should mean better value. Depending on the size of the dogs you'd see good value in something like a used Pug 508 estate, Avensis estate, Insignia estate or Mondeo. Alternatively a Skoda Octavia or Superb make great choices. These would mostly be used models however but with plenty of choice available.

    As you've mentioned the Duster already the new model is much better than the old one and is great value FOR THE PRICE. It's still below class average but so is the price which makes it's shortcomings acceptable. It's built to last but it's not going to score high on nice soft touch plastics like a VW would, but as mentioned, it's many thousands cheaper than something like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,903 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    ba_barabus wrote: »
    You mean an XTrail or Qashqai with the same engine, gearbox and a huge array of other parts shared with the new Duster? Silly comment.

    OP does the car have to be new? How big a dog are we talking about? SUV type cars can actually be difficult for large dogs to enter and exit especially as they age and aren't as agile.

    I'd strongly advise an estate model over one. Which also should mean better value. Depending on the size of the dogs you'd see good value in something like a used Pug 508 estate, Avensis estate, Insignia estate or Mondeo. Alternatively a Skoda Octavia or Superb make great choices. These would mostly be used models however but with plenty of choice available.

    As you've mentioned the Duster already the new model is much better than the old one and is great value FOR THE PRICE. It's still below class average but so is the price which makes it's shortcomings acceptable. It's built to last but it's not going to score high on nice soft touch plastics like a VW would, but as mentioned, it's many thousands cheaper than something like that.
    Completely different interior , suspension, breaks ( Dacia still using drum), steering (electronic Assisted Rack & PinionRack v rack and pinion )

    While it shares some parts. It doesn’t t share ALL parts.


    Anyone who has was in manufacturing will know that just cause items come off the same production line doesn’t Make them the same. To make items cheaper some manufacturers will relax the Quaility controls


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭ba_barabus


    ted1 wrote: »
    Completely different interior , suspension, breaks ( Dacia still using drum), steering (electronic Assisted Rack & PinionRack v rack and pinion )

    While it shares some parts. It doesn’t t share ALL parts.


    Anyone who has was in manufacturing will know that just cause items come off the same production line doesn’t Make them the same. To make items cheaper some manufacturers will relax the Quaility controls

    Never said they share all parts, I said a lot of parts which is more accurate than what you said.

    The rear drums argument is a bit of a dead end as in normal usage they're perfectly fine. Rear brakes are inefficient at best no matter wgat setup is used and don't provide kuch stopping power unless you're hammering around a track which a Duster is unlikely to be.

    We'll park or there however as it doesn't help the OP.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Crossover and dog.....not so sure you are picking the right vehicle

    Maybe an estate as you will have a large boot

    I had a qashqai and even with a Springer and a small cocker it was a squeeze. I wouldn't like to see a couple of big dogs get into it.

    Dont mind the Dacia conversation. Trying to say a Dacia and a Qashqai are the same is like the conversation that an Porsche and a Skoda are the same.....have they tested the Dacia? friend of a friend bought one and said it was an awful thing. No personal experience myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭ba_barabus


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Dont mind the Dacia conversation. Trying to say a Dacia and a Qashqai are the same is like the conversation that an Porsche and a Skoda are the same.....have they tested the Dacia? friend of a friend bought one and said it was an awful thing. No personal experience myself.

    :P

    Glad we agree on the estates though. There is a huge choice of good estates to suit. Spotted a new Ceed estate yesterday and it looked great. New Corolla estate looks well too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    ba_barabus wrote: »
    :P

    Glad we agree on the estates though. There is a huge choice of good estates to suit. Spotted a new Ceed estate yesterday and it looked great. New Corolla estate looks well too.


    Seen the Corolla from afar on the M50, looked lovely car, was quite shocked when I got up close it was a Toyota.



    Estate is the option for the budget and dogs. Boots on crossovers are smallish


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,273 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    As the guys have said, estates and crossovers/SUVs are very different beasts. I have an estate with 2 dogs and it's ideal. Even without the dogs it's a great car to have, I don't think I'd ever buy another that isn't an estate.

    I had use of a new Xtrail for a while. It's great in the cabin, but even for that relatively large SUV the boot space is awful. When it really stood out was that it barely fit our suitcase length wise in the boot, whereas the estate fit it easily with plenty of space still between the end of the case and boot lid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    We have a ford Kuga for my wife and I've been driving an octay estate for a few years. I'm changing my car and planning on another estate ( much to my wife's disgust) I don't want to give up the boot space :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,127 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    The new duster is meant to be a big improvement over the old one ...


  • Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/volvo/v60/used-2016-161-volvo-v60-2-0d-d2-busin-dublin-fpa-201902134905336

    The D2 isn't going to set the world alight, with performance, but will get you there.
    I was able to get a dealer purchase 141 manual V70 D5, for my wife, for lower price last August (similar mileage).

    The V70 has the bigger boot but the V60 still bigger than many cross-overs (I think)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    An octavia or i40 estate would suit well 2nd hand you should get one 2 to 3 years old at that price easy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,273 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Or a Megane Estate.


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