POLL - The reasonable Irish car service prices should be... (be reasonable)

CarService

This is the small poll to ask from Irish car owners, how high or low should be the Irish car service prices. Please, no long talks

1st option: The car size?
Small
Medium
Big

2nd option: The type of service?
Oil change
Interim service
Full service

3th option: The price?
Be reasonable

Examples:
Small nissan micra, oil change, 35eur
Medium, full service, 100eur
Big, interim, 110eur

unkel

How the hell could a legitimate garage charge just €30 + VAT (total €35) for 4 liters of fully synth oil, an oil filter and labour?

Welcome to boards.ie but you are not being reasonable here

CarService

unkel wrote: »

How the hell could a legitimate garage charge just €30 + VAT (total €35) for 4 liters of fully synth oil, an oil filter and labour?

Welcome to boards.ie but you are not being reasonable here

My numbers was just examples. You make the reasonable numbers.

Squidgy Black

You can't have a matrix like that for cars. There's a cost difference between parts, different oil types, and even the labour involved in doing a service on certain cars, they're not all the same.

Alanstrainor

But my big car has the same engine as the small car...


The terminology of a 'full service' is pretty meaningless when most people use it. It could mean anything.

Hellrazer

Theres too many variables to have a set price for each type of service.
You need the mileage of each car to determine what service it needs..
Then you`ll need to know the service history etc.

kerten

Alanstrainor wrote: »

But my big car has the same engine as the small car...


The terminology of a 'full service' is pretty meaningless when most people use it. It could mean anything.

Full Service term seemed to be created to make non-car people happy when they are asked more than 150 Euro for a service.

They don't want to know more.

If it is more than 350 Euro then they will question so 0-150 is a service, 150-350 is full service even they may be the same service technically

mullingar

You just cant compare 2x "full services" to each other.

If you look at a random service schedule such as this:



You will see the mileage determines the service schedule, R = replace(or newnew), I = Inspect.

Its this "I" that makes all the difference, if the part fails the inspection it needs to be replaced.! And thats only the engine!!

A "Full service" usually means going through all the oily wear& tear parts too on the driveline, suspension, brakes etc etc

biko

Even a garage that advertises full service like https://advancepitstop.com/car-servicing/full-service/ cannot be more specific than €170 - €270, quite a gap

ELM327

The >8 litres of good quality oil needed for my e60 would cost more than 35, plus filters etc plus labor

Toyotafanboi

three fiddy.

Whocare

320d oil change €80

Ful sevices oil oil filter air filter diesel filter cabin filter €180 would be fair price

CarService

Whocare wrote: »

320d oil change €80

Ful sevices oil oil filter air filter diesel filter cabin filter €180 would be fair price

This is the good sample, please keep the thread on the focus

Midnight_EG

What quality parts would you use? Or are they all the same :D

mickuhaha

The system in use at the moment as far as I can see is that it's cost of parts that are OEM plus labor. OEM parts are only available at main dealers. This is to keep the car warranty. If out of warranty then an option should be given as to aftermarket or OEM plus labor. Thing is there is not a fixed time for doing different jobs or the same jobs on different cars and as a result most garages will charge as much as they can get away with.

corks finest

CarService wrote: »

This is the small poll to ask from Irish car owners, how high or low should be the Irish car service prices. Please, no long talks

1st option: The car size?
Small
Medium
Big

2nd option: The type of service?
Oil change
Interim service
Full service

3th option: The price?
Be reasonable

Examples:
Small nissan micra, oil change, 35eur
Medium, full service, 100eur
Big, interim, 110eur

Do the easy stuff yourself-oil, filter, air filter,plugs- half ways there then bud

CiniO

OP what do you understand by interim service or full service.

My car (Honda CRV) has got following things listed in service book which needs to be done at certain intervals (time or mileage):
- oil and oil filter change
- air filter change
- pollen filter change
- fuel filter change
- spark plugs
- gearbox oil change
- rear differential oil change
- coolant change
- brake fluid change
- valve clearance adjustment
- and probably few others.
And also obvious things like brake discs and pads, which needs to be changed depending on wear.


Would you classify all those as Full service? Cost of doing all the above could be well above €500.

CarService

Focus people, focus! Please do not go off topic. We all know what price range the big companies charge, that price are the public. I am interested about that, what price range the people actually expecting. Your feedback are important, because load of garage owners reads the boards.ie.
There is possibility that information be used on kickstarter (or other crowd funding) campaigns.
Answer only by next format: Car size, service type and expected price/range

CiniO, every car have a different setup and the price can varies car by car. The price range are acceptable

I took the micra for the sample only because it is popular small car. The smart uses bit less oil, but that car you can see may be once a week or less.

CiniO

I'd also not agree with classifying price by car size.

My civic is certainly smaller than CR-V, but normal service cost might be much higher.
I.e. CR-V is petrol and requires 4 litres of oil (I use 5-40) which i buy for €20. On top of that is oil filter and air filter for €15, so for €35 you can have all parts needed.

Civic being smaller car, but diesel, will need 6 litres of 0w30 (€75) + oil+air filters (€25) + fuel filter (€30). Worth mentioning that changing fuel filter here is close to 2 hours labour, so this rises service cost drastically.

In above example, garage could do the service on CR-V for €100 and make good few bob, but doing service in civic would require €200 to just cover basic costs and labour.

bazz26

I thought it was tall tail Sunday again there for a moment.

Eric Cartman

CiniO wrote: »

I'd also not agree with classifying price by car size.

My civic is certainly smaller than CR-V, but normal service cost might be much higher.
I.e. CR-V is petrol and requires 4 litres of oil (I use 5-40) which i buy for €20. On top of that is oil filter and air filter for €15, so for €35 you can have all parts needed.

Civic being smaller car, but diesel, will need 6 litres of 0w30 (€75) + oil+air filters (€25) + fuel filter (€30). Worth mentioning that changing fuel filter here is close to 2 hours labour, so this rises service cost drastically.

In above example, garage could do the service on CR-V for €100 and make good few bob, but doing service in civic would require €200 to just cover basic costs and labour.

+1
A mercedes SLS costing less to service than a dacia duster would be some job.

robtri

CarService wrote: »

Focus people, focus! Please do not go off topic. We all know what price range the big companies charge, that price are the public. I am interested about that, what price range the people actually expecting. Your feedback are important, because load of garage owners reads the boards.ie.
There is possibility that information be used on kickstarter (or other crowd funding) campaigns.
Answer only by next format: Car size, service type and expected price/range

CiniO, every car have a different setup and the price can varies car by car. The price range are acceptable

so just to be clear...
you have no idea what people expect to pay or should pay(judging by your micra quote)
and are actively putting together a business plan and instead of doing some proper market research your trying to use boards for your own gain....

Wibbs

ELM327 wrote: »

The >8 litres of good quality oil needed for my e60 would cost more than 35, plus filters etc plus labor

+1. I change my own oil and filters and brake pads and general service items and just the oil alone - and my jalopy doesn't take much, just under 4 litres - comes to 70 quid(millers nanotech race goo), the filter is another tenner, the air filter around the 30 quid mark. My labour is cheap at two cups of tae and a small cigar. And much muttering.

CarService wrote: »

Focus people, focus! Please do not go off topic. We all know what price range the big companies charge, that price are the public. I am interested about that, what price range the people actually expecting. Your feedback are important, because load of garage owners reads the boards.ie.
There is possibility that information be used on kickstarter (or other crowd funding) campaigns.
Answer only by next format: Car size, service type and expected price/range

Hang on. Seems like English is not your first language and that's cool and maybe tone is lost in text, but who died and made you god of "the Boards.ie"? You come on here looking for free info from people and you a stranger in the place and then get all upset because we're not jumping to attention? Talk about rude. Go away with ye. :rolleyes:

endacl

CarService wrote: »

This is the good sample, please keep the thread on the focus

Petrol or diesel focus?

CarService

endacl wrote: »

Petrol or diesel focus?

Mod, please remove the all irrelevant messages.

Guy:Incognito

CarService wrote: »

Mod, please remove the all irrelevant messages.

Come on mods, chop chop. Carservice has spoken.

unkel

Wibbs wrote: »

My labour is cheap at two cups of tae and a small cigar. And much muttering.

CarService

unkel wrote: »

This is the hot thread, so I barking under the right tree. Only the mods and users ruined the thread. Here is the answer for them - the oil store. Does it makes now sense?

What are you think, how much are the real cost on 35eur nissan micra k12 oil change? 10eur + tax! 35-tax 28.45- oil/filter/seal 10=18.45eur pure profit. 3 car per hour makes pure 55.35eur for garage hour rate. Now we get the real storm here :eek:

Please continue by requested format! The car size, service type and the expected price range

Eric Cartman

CarService wrote: »

This is the hot thread, so I barking under the right tree. Only the mods and users ruined the thread. Here is the answer for them - the oil store. Does it makes now sense?

What are you think, how much are the real cost on 35eur nissan micra k12 oil change? 10eur + tax! 35-tax 28.45- oil/filter/seal 10=18.45eur pure profit. 3 car per hour makes pure 55.35eur for garage hour rate. Now we get the real storm here :eek:

Please continue by requested format! The car size, service type and the expected price range

3 cars per hour , one rounded or cross threaded sump plug , threaded filter mounts and boom your schedule is way off,

Most garages make more than 55 an hour

Performing a basic inspection taking 10-15 extra minutes could both provide an upsell opportunity and potentially find an unroadworthy car defect.

Also there is a cost to remove the waste oil filters, 55 euro ‘profit’ will get eaten in rent, rates, staff cost etc.. this business model is just unviable unless you were servicing literally hundreds of cars per day in a 15 bay super garage

Del2005

CarService wrote: »

There is possibility that information be used on kickstarter (or other crowd funding) campaigns.
Answer only by next format: Car size, service type and expected price/range

What new idea do you have that will rock the car servicing trade when you don't even appear to know what you are trying to beat? You should have had this information before you came looking here.

To answer your question. The average Irish person will spend zero on basic maintenance and then complain that the NCT is a money making scam because their car failed.

Guy:Incognito

CarService wrote: »

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What are you think, how much are the real cost on 35eur nissan micra k12 oil change? 10eur + tax! 35-tax 28.45- oil/filter/seal 10=18.45eur pure profit. 3 car per hour makes pure 55.35eur for garage hour rate. Now we get the real storm here :eek:

55 quid profit if everything other than paying the mechanic and buying the parts is free for a garage.

Midnight_EG

Wibbs wrote: »

Hang on. Seems like English is not your first language and that's cool and maybe tone is lost in text, but who died and made you god of "the Boards.ie"? You come on here looking for free info from people and you a stranger in the place and then get all upset because we're not jumping to attention? Talk about rude. Go away with ye. :rolleyes:

He's far from a stranger here methinks

Eric Cartman

Del2005 wrote: »

What new idea do you have that will rock the car servicing trade when you don't even appear to know what you are trying to beat? You should have had this information before you came looking here.

To answer your question. The average Irish person will spend zero on basic maintenance and then complain that the NCT is a money making scam because their car failed.

+1 , people in the US use rapid drivethrough oil change services etc.. because its been bet into them by their parents and grandparents from day 1 , you can get a drivethrough change done at walmart while you wait. Most irish people visit a mechanic with an NCT fail sheet or a lost of things wrong with a car.

Its a cultural issue , not a ‘if there was this service people would use it’ issue.

Fleet managers already have pretty efficient workflows in place on the business side of things.

bucketybuck

I would recommend the OP sign up for a basic business economics class.

CarService

bucketybuck wrote: »

I would recommend the OP sign up for a basic business economics class.

I suggest for you the reading glasses.
Answer only by next format: Car size, service type and expected price/range

Wheety

CarService wrote: »

Mod, please remove the all irrelevant messages.

Who are you talking to?

Eric Cartman

CarService wrote: »

I suggest for you the reading glasses.
Answer only by next format: Car size, service type and expected price/range

Large car (range rover) , full service, 120 euro with genuine LR filters, when can I come get this done :pac:

Toyotafanboi

CarService wrote: »

This is the hot thread, so I barking under the right tree. Only the mods and users ruined the thread. Here is the answer for them - the oil store. Does it makes now sense?

What are you think, how much are the real cost on 35eur nissan micra k12 oil change? 10eur + tax! 35-tax 28.45- oil/filter/seal 10=18.45eur pure profit. 3 car per hour makes pure 55.35eur for garage hour rate. Now we get the real storm here :eek:

Please continue by requested format! The car size, service type and the expected price range

If it wasn't for the mods and other posters, you wouldn't have a thread.

I'll bite though. We charge €159 incl. VAT for an oil service, that's an across the board price on any car below 2000cc, petrol or diesel, obviously some more lucrative than others, there is an €25 surcharge for stuff over 2.0, we never really see anything over a 3.0 day to day so it's a reasonably safe rule. The "cost" ex VAT of the parts is somewhere around €25 per car, I think your biggest issue is you see the cost of parts as the only cost involved in a service.

Out of the remaining €115:

- wages get paid, mechanic, service receptionist, valeter, parts advisor who were all in direct contact with the car. Compulsory contributions, benefits, training and holidays for these staff.
- Various sundries, disposal of waste oil and filter. Brake cleaner to rinse the engine, cloths and gloves for the mechanic, the service sticker in the window.
- The detergent the valeter uses, the air freshener he leaves in the car and the plastic seat cover and paper mat, the sponge ffs, none of that was free, neither is the water he uses, actually.
- The electricity, heating, diesel for the wash, maintenance on the building, window cleaning, a cleaning lady for the jacks, staff canteen.
- The workshop fit out, the ten grand computer the mechanic reset the service light with, his ten grand tool box, the three grand lift the car is parked on. Extractors, presses, tyre machines, compressors, balancers, alignment rig outs. Floor cleaner, mops, buckets.
- Then there the rent, which is a six figure sum each year, rates, insurance(s), etc.
- Stationary, computers, internet, phone, email, post, website, advertising, signage, uniforms for customer facing staff, overalls and boots for the others.

The lads who are charging €100 for an oil change in their back garden with a Lidl trolley jack and a Halfords socket set are the lads actually making real money, €60 cash in the hand for an oil and filter drop after "costs" and nothing more. "No income tax, no VAT, no money back, no guarentee"

CarService

LIGHTNING wrote: »

@carservice if you dont stop spamming the forum with polls you will be given a ban. Keep it in here or modify the original post.

Then erase almost all messages from here, because these are irrelevant. 1st april are over, time to face by reality.

Tacitus Kilgore

Midnight_EG wrote: »

He's far from a stranger here methinks

A 2002 to 2009 E-Class per chance?

Wibbs

CarService wrote: »

Then erase almost all messages from here, because these are irrelevant. 1st april are over, time to face by reality.

Christ, with your aggressive sense of entitlement to Answers now! and free polling for a business you've a neck as hard as a jockey's bollocks. Here's a thought sunshine, maybe you should bugger off, brush up on your tone and language skills, learn some basic bloody manners and then come back to us?

Hellrazer

Wibbs wrote: »

Christ, with your aggressive sense of entitlement to Answers now! and free polling for a business you've a neck as hard as a jockey's bollocks. Here's a thought sunshine, maybe you should bugger off, brush up on your tone and language skills, learn some basic bloody manners and then come back to us?

I can just imagine the customer service skills if / when he does open his service centre.
I for one wouldn't be recommending it to anyone.

Hellrazer

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

We charge €159 incl. VAT for an oil service,

F**king rip off main dealer scum. You lot are all the same. Rip off merchants!!!
€159 for an Oil change???
Rip off b**stard!!

My unqualified mate in "Not so Advanced Fast stop pit lane" can do it for 5 euros and 20 john player blue!!!