The Aviva - people going in and out during games

prinzeugen

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Really good idea. Who do we contact about this? I am sure if enough supporters do i, it might happen?

What about the Leinster supporters club? Actually, since this topic has come up several times is there anyone from the Leinster Supporters club who could comment on this?

It wont happen in the Aviva. Impossible to police unless you had entire levels or stands drink free (as happens in the North stand on a regular basis for security reasons).

You could not have one block drink free and the rest not. For example if you wanted block 528 to be drink free, all the blocks from 524-529 would have to be drink free also.

Shefwedfan

prinzeugen wrote: »

It wont happen in the Aviva. Impossible to police unless you had entire levels or stands drink free (as happens in the North stand on a regular basis for security reasons).

You could not have one block drink free and the rest not. For example if you wanted block 528 to be drink free, all the blocks from 524-529 would have to be drink free also.

Why would they want to?

Everyone complains they don't have a choice anymore, Nanny State. Some people just want more and more restrictions put onto people. Why? well because they just love to complain. As soon as they would close down the alcohol you would have the same supporter complaining because kids are now in his section.......then something else.....they will never be happy

Really if a person is not capable of sitting at a match with the company of others and enjoy it, then don't go to the match in first place. Don't waste the ticket, let someone who will enjoy it go. Let a real fan go

Brock Turnpike

testtech05 wrote: »

While I agree with you I don't think it will change any time soon. The Aviva is taking in too much money from it to stop it.

On the point of why people do it, I think more and more people are just going to rugby for the event/to say they were there/posts on Instagram etc.

You see loads of people who are at the games who don't even watch half of it messing with their phones etc when not going to the bar.

Best to just try and ignore it and enjoy the game yourself or at least that's what I do. Each to their own and all that....

First reply in the thread has it nailed. Close the thread. On we move.

prinzeugen

The nanny state is creeping in down there.. No more full fat coke for "health reasons"!

You have to wash down your 1000 calorie burger with the diet or sugar free version now.

Will be taking my own bottles of the full fat stuff from now on!

Shefwedfan

Tim Robbins wrote: »

There's a huge about of muppet fans at the matches now and the rest of us just have to put up with it.

Why don't we get rid of silence for the kicker and standing for the anthems?
Sure we don't make money out of respect anymore so let's ditch all forms of it.

The target market is someone with an interest in beers and minor interest in rugby because they will spend more money.

Very sad, because it's all true.

Not happy with calling yourself a "real fan" you are now trying to insult all other fans.....


Fan's have always had a beer, going back years, are they not real fans either??


As a "real fan" did you ever go to the old Lansdowne and watch a game? or even the RDS now in the terrace?

prinzeugen

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Why don't we get rid of silence for the kicker .

That is one of the most stupid things that takes place. I had to warn god knows how many people about the whole "sssshhh" thing. They are kicking at the other end of the ground/ or you are inside. They can not hear anyone talking so there is no need for perfect silence and no need for you to tell others to keep quiet.

I was dealing with a lost child and one guy told me to "Shut the feck up and take your meeting elsewhere" ! He was warned that if he spoke to me like that again he would be fecked out.

Weepsie

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Really if a person is not capable of sitting at a match and enjoy it, then don't go to the match in first place. Don't waste the ticket, let someone who will enjoy it go. Let a real fan go

Fyp. It is a right pita if you're sitting beside a row of people who are in and out constantly making it nigh on impossible to watch the match.

Definitely something to be said for a section where the bar closes during the match. Doesn't have to be huge or anything, but there's a way to please most fans attending by doing something like that

Marcus Rashford

You’re ignoring the fact that there are a lot of people entertaining clients at the games. Those people have to keep going out for drinks for everyone.

Shefwedfan

Tim Robbins wrote: »

I suppose there's two real fans:
1. "really" want to watch match fan

and

2. "really" want to have a beer and don't mind missing 10% of the match (and making other miss around that) fan.




As a "real fan" number 1, yes and yes.

I don’t understand how you miss 10%?

So which terrace in RDS you use?

The Lost Sheep

Tim Robbins wrote: »

That's a bit patronising. Real fans won't want to go and annoying real fans is hardly a way to build a sport.

Create a drink free part of the ground, under family only banner.

Tim you are the one being patronising with your real fan name calling. Everyone is a fan. Nobody is more entitled to be in ground than anyone else.
So stop saying you are more of a fan because of anything else. Compass group manage the bars and food units in the stadium and they wont do it because there's enough queues etc at bars in place and the demand isnt there for such a stand.

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Is there anything in life you'd like to see, movie in a cinema, kids in school show where if you were asked approx every 5 mins to stand up you'd find annoying?

I don't know.

But just try to understand some of us like to get every moment of that game. Watching players take up spaces, reactions to big hits, fielding of the balls - there's a countless amount of things that real fans just love every second of.

Maybe there's something out there you feel like. Maybe it's a porno? I don't know. There must be something you are truely passionate about? Surely?

Give over. If you want to watch every moment of the game. Then watch on tv as you just cant get that watching live in the ground.

Tim Robbins wrote: »

There's a huge about of muppet fans at the matches now and the rest of us just have to put up with it.

Why don't we get rid of silence for the kicker and standing for the anthems?
Sure we don't make money out of respect anymore so let's ditch all forms of it.

The target market is someone with an interest in beers and minor interest in rugby because they will spend more money.

Very sad, because it's all true.

And there's plenty of muppets who dont drink.
Silence for kicks and standing for anthems have nothing to do with this debate. The target audience is people who attend. IRFU get income but its primarily the catering companies who really make the earners from the bars and no way will they change no matter who complains as long as IRFU are happy and why wouldnt they be with current set up.

prinzeugen wrote: »

That is one of the most stupid things that takes place. I had to warn god knows how many people about the whole "sssshhh" thing. They are kicking at the other end of the ground/ or you are inside. They can not hear anyone talking so there is no need for perfect silence and no need for you to tell others to keep quiet.

I was dealing with a lost child and one guy told me to "Shut the feck up and take your meeting elsewhere" ! He was warned that if he spoke to me like that again he would be fecked out.

Keeping quiet is a fine tradition and nothing wrong with maintaining it even if down far end of the ground.

Weepsie wrote: »

Fyp. It is a right pita if you're sitting beside a row of people who are in and out constantly making it nigh on impossible to watch the match.

Definitely something to be said for a section where the bar closes during the match. Doesn't have to be huge or anything, but there's a way to please most fans attending by doing something like that

Wont happen and would still see lots of people moving in/out of their seats during the game

NIMAN

This happens at all events nowadays, be they rugby games, soccer matches, concerts etc.

Irish people are terrible event junkies. They simply want to be seen at the latest big event. Not many of them will be seen when 'their team' isn't performing well on a wet and cold game at their local ground.

If you can't watch a sports game for 2hrs without needing a drink, you need to call AA.

prinzeugen

Weepsie wrote: »

Definitely something to be said for a section where the bar closes during the match. Doesn't have to be huge or anything, but there's a way to please most fans attending by doing something like that

As I posted earlier, it would be impossible to enforce in the Aviva unless it was an entire level.

The ones that can't will be trying to sneak into other levels or sections for a pint which would cause crowd control issues. It would need the same sort of segregation that you see between home and away fans at some soccer matches.

RCK1

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

There isnt a chance you could close the bars before hand for any game. People would simply stay outside and drink elsewhere and come in late and that causes its own issues.
And leaving bars closed till halftime would just make half time even worse. You had people complaining about the pints they got yesterday(same as any very busy match day) complaining about the pre pours... ridiculous to expect anything less when crowds are that big

Not allowed. Risk. There was people selling bottles of beer not at the bars but all over the concourse but the majority dont go to them and are looking for pints

They do it in most other major stadiums... I was Soilder Feild for a U2 gig and the Olympic stadium s couple of weeks ago for the 6 nation. No problems at either. The beer on tap and service is shocking in the Aviva and a lot do go for the bottles because. At the French game in was one of the first in the stadium and there was fully poured Guinness lying around idle already black. I was at the Leinster blue room and my dad ordered a calbusg. It took 5 different bar man and two different bars to try and do it. It ended up taking so long that he switched to a Guinness. The staff are also very slow. Don't get me started on the food in the stadium. Shocking for a morden stadium that s not even 10 years old.

RCK1

For those that want a social occasion and day out go talk nonsense at one of the trendy bars on Dawson street and let the real fans get on with watching tue game. Its very hard to get tickets. Yes there is a difference those who are actually want to watch the game not turn up late, go in and out 5/10 times,look at there phone then leave early if the results a given.

RCK1

NIMAN wrote: »

This happens at all events nowadays, be they rugby games, soccer matches, concerts etc.

Irish people are terrible event junkies. They simply want to be seen at the latest big event. Not many of them will be seen when 'their team' isn't performing well on a wet and cold game at their local ground.

If you can't watch a sports game for 2hrs without needing a drink, you need to call AA.

That s why the local clubs and seasons ticket holders who turn up on a wet Janurary evening need high preference on tickets not corporates. It's not even 2hrs but 40 mintues until half time.

RCK1

Acosta wrote: »

I wish people would just call it Lansdowne Road.

Here here

The Lost Sheep

RCK1 wrote: »

They do it in most other major stadiums... I was Soilder Feild for a U2 gig and the Olympic stadium s couple of weeks ago for the 6 nation. No problems at either. The beer on tap and service is shocking in the Aviva and a lot do go for the bottles because. At the French game in was one of the first in the stadium and there was fully poured Guinness lying around idle already black. I was at the Leinster blue room and my dad ordered a calbusg. It took 5 different bar man and two different bars to try and do it. It ended up taking so long that he switched to a Guinness. The staff are also very slow. Don't get me started on the food in the stadium. Shocking for a morden stadium that s not even 10 years old.

Lots dont go to bottles in fact. Overwhelming majority go to bars which dont sell bottles its the hawkers who walk around concourse/have big bags with bottles in them.

The Lost Sheep

RCK1 wrote: »

For those that want a social occasion and day out go talk nonsense at one of the trendy bars on Dawson street and let the real fans get on with watching tue game. Its very hard to get tickets. Yes there is a difference those who are actually want to watch the game not turn up late, go in and out 5/10 times,look at there phone then leave early if the results a given.

I went to NZ game. had 2 free tickets... and was regularly going to bar with my mate but avidly watching the game. we were in front row pitchside and it was as much social occasion as anything else and we're heavily involved in sport playing AIL/reffing and go regularly to provincial games as well...
everyone cant/wont just go sit in their seats and not move or rarely get out of their seats during an entire half and expecting most people to do so is ridiculous.

RCK1 wrote: »

That s why the local clubs and seasons ticket holders who turn up on a wet Janurary evening need high preference on tickets not corporates. It's not even 2hrs but 40 mintues until half time.

The clubs and season ticket holders get significant percentage of tickets already and theres plenty who have those tickets and are avid club followers who're the same as corporates in terms of going to the bars...

RCK1

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Lots dont go to bottles in fact. Overwhelming majority go to bars which dont sell bottles its the hawkers who walk around concourse/have big bags with bottles in them.

Do you do a count ? I go to a lot of games and often those around us don't bother with the pints as they are that shocking. One big company does the hospitality so is too big to care which is why the stadium is so poor with queres,service and food/drinks

RCK1

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Lots dont go to bottles in fact. Overwhelming majority go to bars which dont sell bottles its the hawkers who walk around concourse/have big bags with bottles in them.

Also the food stalls all do bottles and the bars while not obvious have bottles if you look closely in the fridges to the sides

Bowlardo

Was my first Leinster match ever. I’d be a very casual rugby fan.
It was a novelty to be able to drink inside the stadium so I did avail of about 3 pints but It was really weird the amount of people piling out during the game.
It is only 40 minutes and is an unreal game to see live.
I think you should not be let in to the seating area with pint but for the most part people only headed out when there was a bit of gap in play.
Loved the Leinster lion mascot giving it loads and the older Leinster woman behind me giving it socks and putting some manners on the ulster fans.
Ulster fan claiming it was an EU conspiracy they didn’t get the try was pretty funny.
I think the phone thing is going to stay unfortunately but that is just an age/manners thing and i’m Afraid It is here to stay.
For a European quarter final the pints inside the watching area should be banned

The Lost Sheep

RCK1 wrote: »

Do you do a count ? I go to a lot of games and often those around us don't bother with the pints as they are that shocking. One big company does the hospitality so is too big to care which is why the stadium is so poor with queres,service and food/drinks

You can see it in amount they sell/queues for them when its busy. Vast vast majority dont buy bottles.
The hospitality company would care if it was such an issue that it was affecting their profits/customer service/reception from customers was that poor.
And anyway its not a care to them

The Lost Sheep

RCK1 wrote: »

Also the food stalls all do bottles and the bars while not obvious have bottles if you look closely in the fridges to the sides

food units do but bars dont sell bottles of beer. Its pints, premixed cans of spirits or softdrinks.

Bowlardo wrote: »

Was my first Leinster match ever. I’d be a very casual rugby fan.
It was a novelty to be able to drink inside the stadium so I did avail of about 3 pints but It was really weird the amount of people piling out during the game.
It is only 40 minutes and is an unreal game to see live.
I think you should not be let in to the seating area with pint but for the most part people only headed out when there was a bit of gap in play.
Loved the Leinster lion mascot giving it loads and the older Leinster woman behind me giving it socks and putting some manners on the ulster fans.
Ulster fan claiming it was an EU conspiracy they didn’t get the try was pretty funny.
I think the phone thing is going to stay unfortunately but that is just an age/manners thing and i’m Afraid It is here to stay.
For a European quarter final the pints inside the watching area should be banned

wont change unless stadium management/security/stewards etc all find it necessary to stop people drinking at their seats. Risk isnt an issue at rugby games so no need to change.

RCK1

prinzeugen wrote: »

That is one of the most stupid things that takes place. I had to warn god knows how many people about the whole "sssshhh" thing. They are kicking at the other end of the ground/ or you are inside. They can not hear anyone talking so there is no need for perfect silence and no need for you to tell others to keep quiet.

I was dealing with a lost child and one guy told me to "Shut the feck up and take your meeting elsewhere" ! He was warned that if he spoke to me like that again he would be fecked out.

Yes a lost child etc.. is of course an expectation to the rule but mostly its people talking ****e that won't shut up. If you don't like it don't bother attending. It's called respect and tradition. Visiting media and players often remark on how good the stadium is for this. Do you go to a golf tennis event mass or whatever and expect to act the way you feel?

prinzeugen

RCK1 wrote: »

Do you do a count ? I go to a lot of games and often those around us don't bother with the pints as they are that shocking. One big company does the hospitality so is too big to care which is why the stadium is so poor with queres,service and food/drinks

The issue might be the high turnover of staff on the bars etc. I have never been there as a punter only as staff so can't comment on the pints, but the service is slow if you just want a coke/tea etc. If there is an issue with a queue at one location then control will intervene however.

Remember, these folks are trying to pull more pints in 3 hours than some pubs pull in a month.

prinzeugen

RCK1 wrote: »

Yes a lost child etc.. is of course an expectation to the rule but mostly its people talking ****e that won't shut up. If you don't like it don't bother attending. ?

Eh... I work there. I attend because its my job! And if I will talk regardless of what is going on in the game in order to get the job done.

There is this myth that rugby fans are the best. Not true. I would rather deal with 50,000 drunk football fans than 30,000 sober rugby fans.

There is a real sense of entitlement with a minority of rugby fans that causes problems.

tototoe

prinzeugen wrote: »

There is a real sense of entitlement with a minority of rugby fans that causes problems.

It's coming across strongly in this thread TBF.

Define a "real fan", and how a real fan should behave. It's nonsense and arrogance of the highest order. There wouldnt be any atmosphere at most games in the Aviva without drinkers. Recent early games there show that.

People don't have to play the game or ref it, or sit motionless for 40 minutes so as not to interrupt someones view of the game to be a real fan.

Such horse manure.

sydthebeat

Any game kicking off at 5:45 on a Saturday evening is going to attract a lot of drinkers and "event junkies".

If you don't like it, purchase premium tickets where the drinkers stay inside the glass. There was a shocking amount of premium ticket seats not occupied for the whole game last Saturday

Marcus Rashford

The bigger issue is the total incompetence of the staff, the poor organisation of the bars generally, and idiotic customer behaviour.

Beer only bars and fellas wandering around with plastic bottles to sell would help.

Don’t laugh, but some form of concierge service would work very well. I know lots of people who’d pay for that, removing hundred if not thousands of drinks from system.

The customer behaviour is mad though...”do you have Hendricks?”, “What riojas do you have?” or the “ah, Billy (at the top of the queue), grab me 5 Guinness while you’re there”

Squidgy Black

Marcus Rashford wrote: »

The customer behaviour is mad though...”do you have Hendricks?”, “What riojas do you have?” or the “ah, Billy (at the top of the queue), grab me 5 Guinness while you’re there”

Worked in a bar at the Aviva and never once had any interactions like the above, so I don't know where you've dreamed that one up from, and it's 4 drinks per customer so that doesn't happen either.