Red light camera Con Colbert Rd, Kilmainham, Dublin

AH92

Is it up and running to actually start catching red light jumpers yet? I heard it was running on a trial basis a few years ago.

antodeco

AH92 wrote: »

Is it up and running to actually start catching red light jumpers yet? I heard it was running on a trial basis a few years ago.

Don't think it's worked in nearly 10 years, but I still don't risk it!

There's actually a lot better locations for red light jumpers than there.

mikeecho

That thing must be 20 years old.
It's older than the static Gatso's

It was put in as a trial.. don't think it ever issued a ticket.

Whatever tech (wet film) it used, is well obsolete now.

GrumpyMe

antodeco wrote: »

... but I still don't risk it!...

:eek:

CorkMan_

I wish they'd put red light cameras up on all traffic lights. It seems to be an epidemic at the moment to see how many can go through red lights. I've had a close call or two in the last year.

Spook_ie

So we're to get some permanent red light cameras, anybody know exactly where?
I assume Blackhall Place and Queen St are the Luas line but where on Con Colbert Road?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/permanent-cameras-to-be-installed-in-dublin-to-combat-breaking-red-lights-916429.html

08/04/2019 - 20:20:00Back to Traffic changes Ireland Home

Three permanent cameras are going to be installed in Dublin in order to stop drivers breaking red lights.

The news comes after 1,300 drivers were detected ignoring signals at one city centre junction over the span of a year and a half.

The cameras will be installed at Blackhall Place, Con Colbert Road and Queen Street.

shanec1928

I assume the junction from con Colbert to kilmanahan

stecleary

Anyone else wishing for a lot more than 3?

highdef

stecleary wrote: »

Anyone else wishing for a lot more than 3?

yes

Spook_ie

I would like to see them on all, at least you wouldn't be in doubt if there was one there or not, but someone on C&T posted an Irish Times link and only 54% of activations resulted in prosecutions, the remaining activations being cyclists, obscured or unreadable registration plates.

Spook_ie

Spook_ie wrote: »

I would like to see them on all, at least you wouldn't be in doubt if there was one there or not, but someone on C&T posted an Irish Times link and only 54% of activations resulted in prosecutions, the remaining activations being cyclists, obscured or unreadable registration plates.

What does it matter if there is one there or not? It's not rocket science, red means stop, orange means stop unless it's not safe to do so. Shocking sign that our standard of driving is so piss poor that they are needed in the first place, at least if there was a chance of them being on every junction I might not get beeped out of it for having the cheek to stop on orange.

Rubberchikken

what surprises me is that only 1300 detected in the period.
im willing to bet the number is way higher.
would be more willing to believe 1300 obeyed the actual lights.

its not before time that they were installed. we're years behind in realising that they are necessary at every set of traffic lights in the country.

its was the same with mobile phone legislation and driving. the willingness to do it knowing there was no punishment allowed it to become an ingrained habit in so many drivers that even the risk of points and a fine doesnt deter them.

mikeecho

1,300 over an 18 month period, that's 2.4 cars per day.

That doesn't seem like a large amount.

Spook_ie

Deleted User wrote: »

What does it matter if there is one there or not? It's not rocket science, red means stop, orange means stop unless it's not safe to do so. Shocking sign that our standard of driving is so piss poor that they are needed in the first place, at least if there was a chance of them being on every junction I might not get beeped out of it for having the cheek to stop on orange.

Absolutely, however it would still be nice if ALL traffic lights had RL cameras rather than 2 or 3 leaving the rest open to ignoring.

On another point, remember that a RLJ is ( AFAIK ) technically when any part of the vehicle crosses the stop line and even though I've stopped many times it's been with a bit of the car over the stop line and thus open to legal interpretation as a RLJ. So if you're stopping on the AMBER ( never Orange when I was learning ) just ensure that you aren't inadvertently becoming an RLJ statistic.

Spook_ie

mikeecho wrote: »

1,300 over an 18 month period, that's 2.4 cars per day.

That doesn't seem like a large amount.

Probably depends on where they sense a car as having not stopped, is it the (AFAIK) legal point of part of the vehicle being over the line or the vehicle actually crossing the junction?

Spook_ie

Spook_ie wrote: »

Absolutely, however it would still be nice if ALL traffic lights had RL cameras rather than 2 or 3 leaving the rest open to ignoring.

On another point, remember that a RLJ is technically when any part of the vehicle crosses the stop line and even though I've stopped many times it's been with a bit of the car over the stop line and thus open to legal interpretation as a RLJ. So if you're stopping on the AMBER ( never Orange when I was learning ) just ensure that you aren't inadvertently becoming an RLJ statistic.

We'll agree there for all junctions but it's an annoyance of mine to see cars well over the line and straddling a ped crossing waiting for a green. Still I'd not want them done for breaking a red. For fines I'd want human eyes on. Did they push up due to maybe the emergency services etc. and trigger a fine etc. Fish in a barrel though for most RLJ's

wonski

It clearly says in the article that these cameras feed pictures to Gardai who review them manually before issuing fine so I really doubt they would do someone for being stopped just a little further than they should. You will be done for crossing the junction.

ciarsd

There are a good few spots around the city that need these cameras. The carryon and disregard for a red light needs massive intervention. If I'm first in traffic stopped at a red, awaiting a change of lights, I momentarily delay moving off on a green light to ensure the road is clear. That sounds dramatic, but it happens so often, and has saved the nose of my car (and me) on multiple occasions.

Here for example, along with any of the grand canal bridges from Suir Road through to Baggot Street.
https://www.google.ie/maps/place/53%C2%B020'34.5%22N+6%C2%B019'00.5%22W/@53.342908,-6.3173442,19z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d53.3429082!4d-6.3167966

mikeecho

mikeecho wrote: »

1,300 over an 18 month period, that's 2.4 cars per day.

That doesn't seem like a large amount.

It seems a suspiciously low number alright. If you observe any major junction in Dublin you'd almost get a detection per lights cycle.

tcawley29

Deleted User wrote: »

We'll agree there for all junctions but it's an annoyance of mine to see cars well over the line and straddling a ped crossing waiting for a green. Still I'd not want them done for breaking a red. For fines I'd want human eyes on. Did they push up due to maybe the emergency services etc. and trigger a fine etc. Fish in a barrel though for most RLJ's

Personally I hope they get lamped for this each and every time.

You're not supposed to be there in the first place, don't be. It's not that hard to understand

antodeco

Throw in some bus lane cameras aswell. Mainly along the quays. Same cars every morning going up the north quays. The camera cost would be covered within a week.

Spook_ie

tcawley29 wrote: »

Personally I hope they get lamped for this each and every time.

You're not supposed to be there in the first place, don't be. It's not that hard to understand

That leaves the fact that you might not be able to stop before the stop line in ALL circumstances, if you think you can you likely don't drive! so if you are over the stop line should you continue anyways, that would be the only solution to your problem.

Now if you are referring to people creeping forward, in some kind of effort to get the lights to change more quickly, well that's different.

lau1247

Deleted User wrote: »

What does it matter if there is one there or not? It's not rocket science, red means stop, orange means stop unless it's not safe to do so.

I wish they install a traffic light where it flash green for a few seconds before it gets to amber. Some of them amber transition to red rather quickly and if you happen to be near the light when it change over and carrying a bit of speed, it can easily mean you are breaking the light when it change. Flashing green allow drivers to judge it in advance and have a few seconds to slow down safely.


By the way I'm not talking people who blatantly break the light as in driving through even though it is well clear that it is red, those kind deserve the fine (i.e. the kind that if I'm passing the light just as the light change to amber and yet when i look back at the mirror, the car behind at two car length still follow on through)

tcawley29

Spook_ie wrote: »

That leaves the fact that you might not be able to stop before the stop line in ALL circumstances, if you think you can you likely don't drive! so if you are over the stop line should you continue anyways, that would be the only solution to your problem.

Now if you are referring to people creeping forward, in some kind of effort to get the lights to change more quickly, well that's different.

In fairness how hard is it to stop at or before the line.

I have many miles racked up over my time.

If you are not able to stop at a line you probably shouldn't be driving to be honest. What if it was a person standing there?

seagull

Have you never been forced through a light by the idiot behind you? I've had it before where the light goes orange. I intend to stop, check the mirrors, and wind up having to accelerate through the changing light because the idiot behind me has no intention of stopping.

seamus

Spook_ie wrote: »

That leaves the fact that you might not be able to stop before the stop line in ALL circumstances

You can if you're paying attention tbh. The only times I've ever found myself stopped over the line are when I hesitated or wasn't paying enough attention to stop before it.

OSI

OSI wrote: »

I know in a few countries they only detect and prosecute if you run a red 5 seconds after it's changed, so the actual red-running could be significantly worse.

I find that hard to believe although might be true for some countries.

Based on my observation when driving in Europe in many (most?) countries the lights of the crossing road turn green a moment before the other direction moves from yellow to red to minimise the dead time in the junctions. If you broke the red light for more than a second or two there would be an almost guaranteed crash. The time the yellow light is shown it based on the speed limit on the road.

In Ireland there is sometimes a break of almost 5 seconds before the lights change to enable/facilitate breaking the red light. But it's not consistently like that so I'm not sure why the delay is there in the first place.

My favourite pet hate when driving here are the delays at level crossings. Why do you need a minute or more of red lights before the train arrives? In Holland the full cycle for a passing train was less than 30 seconds from when the signal showed until the gate went back up. The gate itself is down for maybe 10 seconds.

gctest50

They need to install rising bollards, operate about 3 sec after the light goes red

tcawley29

seagull wrote: »

Have you never been forced through a light by the idiot behind you? I've had it before where the light goes orange. I intend to stop, check the mirrors, and wind up having to accelerate through the changing light because the idiot behind me has no intention of stopping.

Never happened but if you lightly rest your foot on the brake pedal slowing down over a longer distance they'll figure out they have to stop.

highdef

tcawley29 wrote: »

Never happened but if you lightly rest your foot on the brake pedal slowing down over a longer distance they'll figure out they have to stop.

Was rear ended quite hard in this situation about 15 years ago however my decision not to stop at amber or red is not dictated by the vehicle behind me. I will always stop at amber or red and won't be bullied through by a tail-gater.

highdef

antodeco wrote: »

Throw in some bus lane cameras aswell. Mainly along the quays. Same cars every morning going up the north quays. The camera cost would be covered within a week.

A bus lane camera on the gantry above in this streetview shot would rack in a fortune as literally 100's, if not 1,000's of drivers per day use the bus lane between junctions 2 and 1 of the N4 inbound as a driving lane which causes very long delays for buses/public transport.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3561569,-6.3911775,3a,75y,257.51h,85.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh4Ik_FKcTtPd4zdz9wO3Ww!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

tcawley29

highdef wrote: »

Was rear ended quite hard in this situation about 15 years ago however my decision not to stop at amber or red is not dictated by the vehicle behind me. I will always stop at amber or red and won't be bullied through by a tail-gater.

Exactly. I'd have no problem doing the same and I'd be quite happy to take the claim for their stupidity

usernamegoes

I'd love to see the camera be used to catch people taking the illegal right turn at this junction between Con Colbert Road and the South Circular. Lots of people do it instead of doing the lap to get to Kilmainham.

Don't get me started on those who do, do the lap but refuse to queue and wait in the lane for going back up Con Colbert Road and then push in to the left lane or drive over the virtual island!

Spook_ie

tcawley29 wrote: »

In fairness how hard is it to stop at or before the line.

I have many miles racked up over my time.

If you are not able to stop at a line you probably shouldn't be driving to be honest. What if it was a person standing there?

Well just fact sometimes you might think you can stop in front of a line other times physics won't let you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSAvQd8535c

And if someone was crossing you'd likely have slowed anyway, or are you assuming someone just standing in the middle of the road?