Ireland acts like it owes the USA nothing

DS86DS

It not only happens on this website......it seems to happen across Irish society in general. And I'm not just making this thread because my father was American and I am half-American....... I love the USA, but it doesn't get in the way of my love for Ireland.

Let's just get a grip of ourselves..... I know that Anti-Americanism is trendy in Ireland right now.........while been seen to be""more European" is seen as the cool and trendy thing.


But where the hell would Ireland be without hundreds of billions of dollars of investment from America? ....Nowhere
....that is where.

The greatest lie told to the Irish Nation is that this wonderful little island's two decades of prosperity was the result of"EU investment"....The same EU in Brussels that cost Irish fisheries an estimated €200 billion in payouts

For every €1 the EU has given you towards M50 upgrades........a most likely €3 was taken from your pocket to fund Brussels and the EU in obliterating Irish fisheries.


And yet.....the very source of Irish prosperity.....the country who has never taken anything from Ireland and only given


...the United States of America...... Ireland's best friend and source of prosperity...yet the subject of so much hated

And though it's trendy to hate America....don't lie that you'd feel more at home in a Boston pub supporting the Dubs ....than in some trendies in a Berlin nightclub.


Irexit..,.... Ireland and America is the source of our future 21st century wealth.

lawred2

wtf

banie01

GTFO!

Your grasp of economic reality is tenuous as best!
Pull down the peak of your MAGA cap, pat the butt of your AR-15 and fúck off back to the land of the brave and home of the "free"

MonkeyTennis

I couldnt agree

amcalester

Ireland only became a net contributor to the EU in 2016, kind of blows your 3:1 ratio out of the water.

orourkeda1977

We don't owe America anything.

Also, don't think for a second that the land of the free and the home of the brave is above criticism.

Lets not kid ourselves here, all this investment wasn't an act of charity by american big business. It was done as much in self interest and for economic reasons than anything else.

Noveight

The U.S. gave us The Dukes of Hazzard and Smokie and the Bandit.

We will be forever in their debt.

GLaDOS

Hotblack Desiato

No US business would be interested in investing in Ireland if we left the EU.

It is literally the reason they're here.

You've jumped the shark on this one. American investment is purely based on the economics of what we provide. EU plus low tax. Remove the EU part and those companies will start talking just like the vehicle manufacturers in the UK. Our financial sector would be decimated.

These are not opinions. There is no rational argument to be made for leaving the EU and retaining US investment.

DrumSteve

Stop trying to make Irexit happen.

It's never going to be cool.

jam_mac_jam

Yes those companies are all coming here out of the goodness of their heart. Aren't they wonderful.

Mr. Incognito

They are here for tax breaks.

I'd say the owe us a few billion.

sparky42

What the Actual ****?

martingriff

Step away from the keyboard and take a deep breath. You think all these companies and wealth are here because of the goodness of there heart get real.

People not liking certain "politican" does not mean they are anti American. You should also do a bit of history of what the Irish have done for Americans and there opinion of us for a long time

Also have not got in to the Irish American vote

orourkeda1977

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

They are here for tax breaks.

I'd say the owe us a few billion.

Apple being the perfect example

srsly78

Hahah THEY TUK AWR FISH!!!

Why do fish keep being mentioned!? We catch more fish today than we did 30 years ago!

Boom_Bap

JeffKenna

USA USA

orourkeda1977

Noveight wrote: »

The U.S. gave us The Dukes of Hazzard and Smokie and the Bandit.

We will be forever in their debt.

And squirt porn.

Hours of fun

Boggles

DS86DS wrote: »

It not only happens on this website......it seems to happen across Irish society in general. And I'm not just making this thread because my father was American and I am half-American....... I love the USA, but it doesn't get in the way of my love for Ireland.

Let's just get a grip of ourselves..... I know that Anti-Americanism is trendy in Ireland right now.........while been seen to be""more European" is seen as the cool and trendy thing.


But where the hell would Ireland be without hundreds of billions of dollars of investment from America? ....Nowhere
....that is where.

The greatest lie told to the Irish Nation is that this wonderful little island's two decades of prosperity was the result of"EU investment"....The same EU in Brussels that cost Irish fisheries an estimated €200 billion in payouts

For every €1 the EU has given you towards M50 upgrades........a most likely €3 was taken from your pocket to fund Brussels and the EU in obliterating Irish fisheries.


And yet.....the very source of Irish prosperity.....the country who has never taken anything from Ireland and only given


...the United States of America...... Ireland's best friend and source of prosperity...yet the subject of so much hated

And though it's trendy to hate America....don't lie that you'd feel more at home in a Boston pub supporting the Dubs ....than in some trendies in a Berlin nightclub.


Irexit..,.... Ireland and America is the source of our future 21st century wealth.

You owe the full stop button an apology.

tonycascarino

I like America and have loads of relatives there. No hatred from me anyway. Go team USA!

B0jangles

So OP are you the irish version of those crazy nationalist up-the-ra-type irish-americans who think they sh*te potatoes and p*ss guinness because their great granda once spoke to a man from Belmullet?

troyzer

America has never taken anything from us?

What about the tens of thousands who died fighting for the Union? Or the thousands who died building America's dams and highways?

Irish blood literally created the Union as it is today. As well as other countries of course. But given our small size, we have disproportionately given more to America than any other country.

damncyclist

The USA involuntarily sterilised 2/3 of the female Puerto Rican population. We're just lucky we're white and far away from them or they probably would've forced regime change a couple of times in our history.

American people = grand, they haven't a clue
USA = scum

riffmongous

So you're a foreigner basically?

orourkeda1977

riffmongous wrote: »

So you're a foreigner basically?

durrrr

Patty Hearst

Do we not 'owe' America due to them taking in millions of Irish immigrants?

If not then why is this used as an example of our own moral obligation to take in refugees today?

riffmongous

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

durrrr

Gemma o Doherty warned us about these people

B0jangles

riffmongous wrote: »

So you're a foreigner basically?

Nah, OP is an anchor baby


:P

Patty Hearst

Patty Hearst wrote: »

Do we not 'owe' America due to them taking in millions of Irish immigrants?

If not then why is this used as an example of our own moral obligation to take in refugees today?

America is immigrants. It's a very unique country in that it was settled by the current majority of people very recently.

Tell me how

DS86DS wrote: »

Irexit..,.... Ireland and America is the source of our future 21st century wealth.

No.

Not because it is trendy to hate America (it isn't).

The period of greatest prosperity our country has ever experienced has been since it joined the EU. We continue to have and hopefully will continue way in to the future to have a strong positive relationship with America while also remaining as members of the EU.

partyguinness

DS86DS wrote: »

It not only happens on this website......it seems to happen across Irish society in general. And I'm not just making this thread because my father was American and I am half-American....... I love the USA, but it doesn't get in the way of my love for Ireland.

Let's just get a grip of ourselves..... I know that Anti-Americanism is trendy in Ireland right now.........while been seen to be""more European" is seen as the cool and trendy thing.


But where the hell would Ireland be without hundreds of billions of dollars of investment from America? ....Nowhere
....that is where.

The greatest lie told to the Irish Nation is that this wonderful little island's two decades of prosperity was the result of"EU investment"....The same EU in Brussels that cost Irish fisheries an estimated €200 billion in payouts

For every €1 the EU has given you towards M50 upgrades........a most likely €3 was taken from your pocket to fund Brussels and the EU in obliterating Irish fisheries.


And yet.....the very source of Irish prosperity.....the country who has never taken anything from Ireland and only given


...the United States of America...... Ireland's best friend and source of prosperity...yet the subject of so much hated

And though it's trendy to hate America....don't lie that you'd feel more at home in a Boston pub supporting the Dubs ....than in some trendies in a Berlin nightclub.


Irexit..,.... Ireland and America is the source of our future 21st century wealth.

Investment is a two way street. US companies do not invest in Ireland for ****s and giggles. They get a lot of out of it too.

Bet you didn't know that Irish companies in the US employ roughly the same amount of people that US companies employ in Ireland?

I will try to find the link when I have a chance. But of course US investment in Ireland is hellevu lot important to Ireland than Irish investment is to the US

damncyclist

Patty Hearst wrote: »

Do we not 'owe' America due to them taking in millions of Irish immigrants?

If not then why is this used as an example of our own moral obligation to take in refugees today?

Not necessarily because they weren't exactly welcoming to them, also it wasn't as if the white colonisers owned the land anyway.

I'd say it's used as an example because as a nation Ireland has found itself in that situation before. A common plight rather than a benevolent foreign force. It doesn't matter where the emigrants went, the fact they're forced to leave due to persecution is the important bit.

Laois_Man

Stop calling them hamburgers when there's no ham in them and we'll consider falling in love with you!

Anteayer

The investment flow is from multinational companies that want a foothold in European. It's nothing to do with US government policy. Those companies may be US based but they're global and Ireland's a handy gateway to a huge European market and a very cost effective one due to tax arrangements.

They didn't come here out of some kind of geopolitical charity or solidary. They came because it made economic sense to do so.

The USA isn't a command economy. It's not China and the state doesn't go around telling companies where to invest or how to operate. Well Trump does but nobody listens and to be quite honest it's incredibly "unamerican" of him to behave like that. The US was built on being an open, liberal economy, not by top command of government.

Also Americans on the right would want to snap out of this notion that the state or the president is beyond criticism. What made America great was the ability to criticise, adapt and change.

Blind patriotism isn't called blind for nothing.

Also at the moment at least half of Americans aren't overly enthusiastic or are even embarrassed by their own president.

It's not being anti American to point out that there's a bit of a problem in the Whitehouse... it's just being observant.

riffmongous

Laois_Man wrote: »

Stop calling them hamburgers when there's no ham in them and we'll consider falling in love with you!

No one calls them hamburgers anymore, they're hamberders now by presidential decree

Boom_Bap

Mad_maxx

DS86DS wrote: »

It not only happens on this website......it seems to happen across Irish society in general. And I'm not just making this thread because my father was American and I am half-American....... I love the USA, but it doesn't get in the way of my love for Ireland.

Let's just get a grip of ourselves..... I know that Anti-Americanism is trendy in Ireland right now.........while been seen to be""more European" is seen as the cool and trendy thing.


But where the hell would Ireland be without hundreds of billions of dollars of investment from America? ....Nowhere
....that is where.

The greatest lie told to the Irish Nation is that this wonderful little island's two decades of prosperity was the result of"EU investment"....The same EU in Brussels that cost Irish fisheries an estimated €200 billion in payouts

For every €1 the EU has given you towards M50 upgrades........a most likely €3 was taken from your pocket to fund Brussels and the EU in obliterating Irish fisheries.


And yet.....the very source of Irish prosperity.....the country who has never taken anything from Ireland and only given


...the United States of America...... Ireland's best friend and source of prosperity...yet the subject of so much hated

And though it's trendy to hate America....don't lie that you'd feel more at home in a Boston pub supporting the Dubs ....than in some trendies in a Berlin nightclub.


Irexit..,.... Ireland and America is the source of our future 21st century wealth.

U. S corporations would not have based themselves here had we not been in the EU

marvin80

I always thought USA was a great place but as I got older I realised it's a kip.

Allowing a tragedy like Sandy Hook to happen and not make any changes afterwards and having a gimp like Trump president hammers home the point.

jimmycrackcorm

DS86DS wrote:

The greatest lie told to the Irish Nation is that this wonderful little island's two decades of prosperity was the result of"EU investment"....The same EU in Brussels that cost Irish fisheries an estimated €200 billion in payouts

Sure all we need then is everyone out fishing.
I guess the fish is our equivalent to Norway having its oil.
But wait, don't we also have trillions in oil and gas waiting off the coast....

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

The USA is a cancer on the world. A war mongering nation of scumbag leaders who shíts on anybody and everybody they can to get ahead.

I couldn't read your entire article, if that's what you want to call it as it's complete trash, just like the states.

Irexit? What an idiotic thing to say.

riffmongous

Patty Hearst wrote: »

Do we not 'owe' America due to them taking in millions of Irish immigrants?

If not then why is this used as an example of our own moral obligation to take in refugees today?

Instead the Americans should have held the Irish in mass camps somewhere in the carribbean and shipped them back soon as the Famine ended?

Anteayer

riffmongous wrote: »

Instead the Americans should have held the Irish in mass camps somewhere in the carribbean and shipped them back soon as the Famine ended?

Well I mean if we were to follow that the whole way, the Native Americans should probably have sent those religious extremists (the pilgrims and puritans) back on the boat to England from where they originally fled persecution seeking refuge in what's is the present day US northeast

sk8erboii

Anteayer wrote: »

Well I mean if we were to follow that the whole way, the Native Americans should probably have sent those religious extremists (the pilgrims and puritans) back on the boat to England from where they originally fled persecution.

The native americans tried. But 90% of them died of disease

p to the e

So the Russian bots have infiltrated Boards aswell.

Anteayer

sk8erboii wrote: »

The native americans tried. But 90% of them died of disease

My point though is you've one bunch of immigrants claiming that a later bunch of immigrants are more immigranty than they are in a country that's entirely built on immigration. It's just a *tiny* bit hypocritical.

Dial Hard

DS86DS wrote: »

It not only happens on this website......it seems to happen across Irish society in general. And I'm not just making this thread because my father was American and I am half-American....... I love the USA, but it doesn't get in the way of my love for Ireland.

This is what happens when the OP is banned from posting endless YouTube videos of American roads in the C&T forum.

Purgative

I just can't get enough of their chlorine washed chicken and anti-biotic, hormone rich beef. Yum Yum.

Anteayer

I think calling the Irish public anti-American is a bit of a stretch to be perfectly honest. It's probably the most US friendly country in Europe and has a very good understanding of North America in general due to historical links, cultural proximity, physical proximity and a shared language.

We just tend to be politically not at all aligned with the right wing of American politics and tend to be a whole lot more comfortable with the US Northeast / West Coast and the Democratic Party's world view and we're not into military interventions, guns and have given up the whole religious bonkers stuff and embraced our gay side and so on but then those views are very similar to NY, MA, CA and plenty of other places that the far right don't like.

We are critical of absolutely everything, including ourselves. But it's absolute hysterical paranoid nonsense to suggest that Ireland has some deep seated dislike of the US.

alchemist33

Don't confuse being anti-Trump with being anti-American