Speed limiters

11wingnut

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/8725369/cars-fitted-speed-limiters-2022-slow-vehicle-down/

All new cars to have special gadget to stop you going over the speed limit by 2022 after EU ruling
A stack of new safety legislation is due to be approved by the European Parliament later this year and Britain is expected to follow suit

The driver will be warned to reduce their speed when they are breaking the law and an alert will sound and a visual warning will be given until the car is at or below the given speed limit.

The system can be overridden though by pushing hard on the accelerator.
This has been built in case a surge of power is needed to avoid danger or if you are overtaking and the other driver has decided to put their foot down.

What do you have to say about them?

gctest50

Ford are mad for them for years :

wonski

As soon as special gadget was mentioned I stopped reading

biko

Content added to OP, link dumping isn't nice

Truckermal

Meh using one for the last 20 year's!

Max Headroom

Hope they work the opposite way too, whats this irish obsession with 100km in the overtaking lane or on motorways in general....struth...:mad:

kirving

My car has one that I can manually enable on the cruise control stalk. It's actually quite helpful in areas of Dublin which can be notorious for speed cameras.

You're not stuck to a set speed like you would be with Cruise Control, so you can drive in traffic normally, and you don't have to worry about straying over.

Mine doesn't have road sign recognition so I don't use it as often as I should/could. A good implementation of a system like this takes another thing off the drivers mind and can make driving more relaxing.

Intelligent Speed Assist alone forces manufacturers to invest in a host of other technologies like forward looking cameras (also used in lane keep assist) or GPS integration (less use of phones, auto SOS calls).

The Sun wrote:

Cars will have to have data loggers, autonomous emergency braking, lane keep assist, driver fatigue detection and reversing cameras or sensors.

I've gotta say too, the driver fatigue detection in my current car is uncanny. It almost only ever alarms after I've had a long day and am actually tired, rather than beeping for no reason.

I live on a country road with 80 Km/h limit , you have to stop to allow another car pass.

Housing estates have too high limit, 50 Km/h through towns with narrow streets and cars with 2 wheels up on the footpaths is too fast. 50 Km/h in town with schools, creches etc is far too fast in the majority of Irish towns and villages with narrow streets.

Driving 110 Km/h on a lot of 100 Km/h roads is no problem same as driving 130 Km/h on the motorway when conditions permit etc.

Our speed limits are not suitable for the majority of our roads.

First we should fix our speed limits and have them appropriate for the particular street.

I and other local Children used to be able to play on a country road when people drove with consideration for others thinking that a Child could be around the corner or run out etc, very few people care today and drive at high speeds with no consideration for others or that Child they might kill.

Today I wouldn't dream of letting my 2 Boys out on the same street, between speeding milk lorries, cars and tractors , it's gone far too dangerous.

creedp

Deleted User wrote: »

Today I wouldn't dream of letting my 2 Boys out on the same street, between speeding milk lorries, cars and tractors and Mad Lad, it's gone far too dangerous.

Problem is if we all drove at speeds which allowed us to stop for any eventually there would be a lot of rear enders on twisty roads as people would constantly be adjusting their speed to match perceived risk and of course we would all have to travel at the speed determined by the guy in front.

Unfortunately unless cars are fully automated and variable speed limits are programmed to scientifically match the road condition the vast majority of drivers will drive at speeds which will not allow them to manage 100% of the risk of being involved in an accident. In the meantime you're right not let your kids play on public roads

d.pop

Ah feck it, had something like these on a company vehicle a few years ago overseas.
The various speed limit zones were loaded on to the system and the car was tracked via gps. If you went over the speed limit an alarm screamed on the car until you came back to limit.
Great crack when overtaking...
If you went over the limit by a preset amount the car notified your supervisor and you got a warning etc..
It was hard work I tell ya sticking to every limit.

creedp

creedp wrote: »

Problem is if we all drove at speeds which allowed us to stop for any eventually there would be a lot of rear enders on twisty roads as people would constantly be adjusting their speed to match perceived risk and of course we would all have to travel at the speed determined by the guy in front.

Unfortunately unless cars are fully automated and variable speed limits are programmed to scientifically match the road condition the vast majority of drivers will drive at speeds which will not allow them to manage 100% of the risk of being involved in an accident. In the meantime you're right not let your kids play on public roads

My point is that traffic is speeding far more than they would have in the past in town, estates, country lanes it does not seem to matter , people can't seem to drive fast enough , no such thing as common sense. It doesn't have to be this way, shouldn't be.

Tractors are much larger and people are driving them ridiculously fast for their size compared to the roads, trucks are faster more powerful than ever. But it's People's attitudes in general have changed the most.

It's the attitude of " I'll do what I want because I can" attitude. No regard for others. And yes Kids can run out even on Country roads, it happens, maybe the Post Man didn't close the gate again or the person delivering the junk mail doesn't think that the gate was closed for a reason in the first place.

driving at 60-80+ Km/h on roads not fit for 2 cars to pass is as unacceptable as someone speeding in town because people also live on those roads.

H3llR4iser

Just part of the Huxleian society design the world is fast spiraling towards; Basically nannied into submission - until the day when all that people are allowed to do is work and sleep (no food, it shall be replaced by specifically formulated skin-absorbed rations that prevent obesity - which will also be super-expensive, obviously).

Technology is proving to be a dictator's wet dream come true - instead of making life easier, more enjoyable and opening horizons to manking, it's enslaving us. All with the favour of the public - the vegan, headphone-over-a-beanie, skinny jeans wearing hippie baby-adults love all this. Automation save us from responsibility, because mommy ain't looking over us anymore.

Wonder how such a measure might mean a dip in new cars sales - I can also envision garages immediately offering a "disable" service.

Between this, avocado-on-toast loving EVs, self-driving "cars" and who knows what else, I think my next car might actually be a bus pass instead.

R.O.R

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Just part of the Huxleian society design the world is fast spiraling towards; Basically nannied into submission - until the day when all that people are allowed to do is work and sleep (no food, it shall be replaced by specifically formulated skin-absorbed rations that prevent obesity - which will also be super-expensive, obviously).

Technology is proving to be a dictator's wet dream come true - instead of making life easier, more enjoyable and opening horizons to manking, it's enslaving us. All with the favour of the public - the vegan, headphone-over-a-beanie, skinny jeans wearing hippie baby-adults love all this. Automation save us from responsibility, because mommy ain't looking over us anymore.

Wonder how such a measure might mean a dip in new cars sales - I can also envision garages immediately offering a "disable" service.

Between this, avocado-on-toast loving EVs, self-driving "cars" and who knows what else, I think my next car might actually be a bus pass instead.

Don't forget to wear one of these on the bus

Victor

Deleted User wrote: »

Tractors are much larger and people are driving them ridiculously fast for their size compared to the roads, trucks are faster more powerful than ever. But it's People's attitudes in general have changed the most.

Most new tractors are limited to 50km/h. All trucks are limited to 80km/h.

Tacitus Kilgore

Victor wrote: »

Most new tractors are limited to 50km/h. All trucks are limited to 80km/h.

Funny that, because when I'm towing the trailer at 80 (GPS) on the motorway, pretty much every single truck passes me by - easily.


Not complaining as such, I think 80 is a bit low for a modern truck on a motorway, but for me - I learned my lesson having been done for going 90 with my trailer, it's just annoying knowing I am pushing trucks out into the overtaking lane.

seamus

I don't see why speed limits have to be "fixed" before this can be made mandatory. If the speed limit is too high today, then adding a limiter to the vehicle doesn't affect that. If the limit is too low, then what harm if people have to drive a little slowly?

So limiters and "correct" limits can be done in parallel, one is not strictly dependent on the other. This is an assistance technology. A driver may still be done for breaking the limit, and claiming that their limiter wasn't working will be no defence. In fact that could be considered an aggravating factor; that they weren't paying attention.

And there's no suggestion that the limiters be absolute, merely that they be installed. The driver can always override it and drive above the limit if necessary.

ELM327

I imagine this will be like stop start tech, lots will disable it.

It's sad though that People want to speed and don't realise the damage they can do to lives if they injure or kill someone.

In town is the worst, on the open road I don't care if someone does 10 over.

The speed limits need to be reviewed and set according to the road, an 80 limit on a narrow country road that 2 cars can not pass without one stopping is madness.

50 Km/h in towns with narrow streets is also mad.

They have plenty of 40 Km/h zones in Germany and this is where the most speed traps are and it works a treat.

H3llR4iser

R.O.R wrote: »

Don't forget to wear one of these on the bus

Point proven. Enjoy your avocado toast - until someone makes it illegal because it's too fattening

vandriver

As a (responsible law abiding) taxi driver,I would love this.
I'm not sure drivers behind me on the quays stuck at 30 kmh would appreciate it so much.

Had to laugh at some of the comment around this in the media today, with some mentioning data and privacy etc. I'd wager the even if those people didn't have a connected car they wouldn't give a second thought to their phone being in the car and on as they drive :rolleyes:

Larbre34

If my kid has a sky high fever and a rash in the middle of the night ill be doing 150 kph through the suburbs on the way to Crumlin, end of.

Aside from such situations, being able to accelerate out of a problem is a necessary discretion that should remain with the driver.

This software may roll out but if it gets no motorist buy-in then its dead before it begins. The software patches to bypass it will be on the grey market before the new cars even turn a wheel.

The Rape of Lucretia

Larbre34 wrote: »

Aside from such situations, being able to accelerate out of a problem is a necessary discretion that should remain with the driver.

I dont think it should. 'Accelerating out of a problem' is such a rare event (if there even is such a situation) - and probably wouldnt arise in the first place if people didnt think they could exceed the speed limit - that the loss of that dubious benefit is more than outweighed by the reduction of speeds to the speed limit.

Limiters are a terrific step. There is no cogent argument against them, and in a few short decades, people with look back on the era where they didnt exist, in the same way we regard driving without seat belts, or with half a dozen pints on board, as such brainlessly dangerous activities that it is hard to believe they were once common.

robtri

Deleted User wrote: »

It's sad though that People want to speed and don't realise the damage they can do to lives if they injure or kill someone.

In town is the worst, on the open road I don't care if someone does 10 over.

The speed limits need to be reviewed and set according to the road, an 80 limit on a narrow country road that 2 cars can not pass without one stopping is madness.

50 Km/h in towns with narrow streets is also mad.

They have plenty of 40 Km/h zones in Germany and this is where the most speed traps are and it works a treat.

strangley Autobahn deaths continue to fall but yet fatalities are up 17%... so there strategy isnt really working

Isambard

Larbre34 wrote: »

If my kid has a sky high fever and a rash in the middle of the night ill be doing 150 kph through the suburbs on the way to Crumlin, end of.

Aside from such situations, being able to accelerate out of a problem is a necessary discretion that should remain with the driver.

This software may roll out but if it gets no motorist buy-in then its dead before it begins. The software patches to bypass it will be on the grey market before the new cars even turn a wheel.

That facility is built into the system.

Bypass it and you'll find you have no insurance payout after an accident.

Such a lot of people on the 'net making wild statements.

Victor

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Funny that, because when I'm towing the trailer at 80 (GPS) on the motorway, pretty much every single truck passes me by - easily.

80 km/h on your clock or 80 km/h actual?

Not complaining as such, I think 80 is a bit low for a modern truck on a motorway

Coaches are limited to 100km/h on motorways and 80 km/h elsewhere. Of course, they then do 100km/h elsewhere as well. You don't want that with trucks and the eejits that some of the drivers are.

robtri wrote: »

strangley Autobahn deaths continue to fall but yet fatalities are up 17%... so there strategy isnt really working

Really? https://www.statista.com/statistics/437905/number-of-road-deaths-in-germany/

seamus

Aside from such situations, being able to accelerate out of a problem is a necessary discretion that should remain with the driver.

That won't change. These aren't hard limiters, they're assistance mechanisms.

This software may roll out but if it gets no motorist buy-in then its dead before it begins. The software patches to bypass it will be on the grey market before the new cars even turn a wheel.

Since part of the proposals also includes mandatory black boxes, you will find that insurers will demand full diagnostics on any vehicle after a crash and if you're found to have an undeclared mod - hardware or software - you're insurance is void.

There's a good chance the NCT will also include a software report too and you'll find a modded car to be unsellable.

Irish Steve

Pretty much all modern vehicles have a system to detect the number of occupants, a much better road safety device would be a mobile phone blocker that would activate if the vehicle is moving and has only one occupant. And to avoid confusion, I mean a device that blocks the phone completely, even if it's hand held and not using bluetooth. if it's truly hands free etc, then the blocker can be switched off.

As for speed limiters, there's some serious work to do before they are acceptable, I have a speed monitor on a GPS, and on a regular basis, when on a motorway, as I pass over or under a minor road, it bleats at me that "I have exceeded the speed limit by 40 Kph". I haven't, it's not recognising that I am not on the minor road. If that same device were to attempt to change my speed, that could be highly dangerous!

robtri

robtri wrote: »

strangley Autobahn deaths continue to fall but yet fatalities are up 17%... so there strategy isnt really working

Proof ?

it's a pleasure walking through villages there with 40 Km/h limits knowing there are speed traps..

There's a lot of motorcyclists killed in Germany.

Perhaps Autobahn deaths are falling due to traffic congestion, if you haven't driven on the Autobahn in places in peak traffic they have massive traffic congestion.

Victor

Irish Steve wrote: »

As for speed limiters, there's some serious work to do before they are acceptable, I have a speed monitor on a GPS, and on a regular basis, when on a motorway, as I pass over or under a minor road, it bleats at me that "I have exceeded the speed limit by 40 Kph". I haven't, it's not recognising that I am not on the minor road. If that same device were to attempt to change my speed, that could be highly dangerous!

It's seems it will be a warning, not a control.

highdef

Victor wrote: »

All trucks are limited to 80km/h.

Untrue, HGVs are permitted to drive at up to 90km/h on motorways. In reality, they usually do this speed on N and R roads as well, where speed limits are usually 80 or 100km/h.

Tacitus Kilgore

Victor wrote: »

80 km/h on your clock or 80 km/h actual?

In your excitement you must have missed the (GPS) bit that you quoted there.

Victor wrote: »

Coaches are limited to 100km/h on motorways and 80 km/h elsewhere. Of course, they then do 100km/h elsewhere as well. You don't want that with trucks and the eejits that some of the drivers are.

I am complaining that I'm forced to do 80 with my trailer, but in doing so, I actually becoming a far greater burden and risk on the road as I am forcing much larger vehicles to constantly overtake me, rather than being allowed to flow with traffic.

Coaches should be allowed to the full 120 on a motorway IMO, why they aren't already is the question I would ask.

R.O.R

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Point proven. Enjoy your avocado toast - until someone makes it illegal because it's too fattening

What point have you proven????????

Except guacamole I don't eat avocado. Mushy peas, now that's a different matter...

ianobrien

Irish Steve wrote: »

Pretty much all modern vehicles have a system to detect the number of occupants, a much better road safety device would be a mobile phone blocker that would activate if the vehicle is moving and has only one occupant. And to avoid confusion, I mean a device that blocks the phone completely, even if it's hand held and not using bluetooth. if it's truly hands free etc, then the blocker can be switched off.

I agree that implementation of this should be done before any of these speed limit devices. The amount of near misses I see that has one (or both) drivers with a phone clapped to their ear is frightening. I know myself that even with the phone connected through Bluetooth and on a hands free call, I have trouble concentrating on the call when driving. Thus a lot of the time I don't answer the phone.

creedp

ianobrien wrote: »

I agree that implementation of this should be done before any of these speed limit devices. The amount of near misses I see that has one (or both) drivers with a phone clapped to their ear is frightening. I know myself that even with the phone connected through Bluetooth and on a hands free call, I have trouble concentrating on the call when driving. Thus a lot of the time I don't answer the phone.

I find using a phone on bluetooth a doddle compared to trying to deal with kids constantly arguing in the back seat.

mikeecho

I used the speed limit option on my car today.
I didn't like it one bit.

Shure I could override it... But only by planting my foot into the carpet.

I had less control .. I won't be using it again.
If my next car comes with this technology automatically enabled everytime I start the car, I'll be looking to have is permanently disabled via coding.

(That and stop/start ßhite)

wonski

mikeecho wrote: »

I used the speed limit option on my car today.
I didn't like it one bit.

Shure I could override it... But only by planting my foot into the carpet.

I had less control .. I won't be using it again.
If my next car comes with this technology automatically enabled everytime I start the car, I'll be looking to have is permanently disabled via coding.

(That and stop/start ßhite)

I tried it before and it wasn't really kicking in until you reach the specified speed. So it wouldn't affect any sort of control until that point.

It was 02 Merc so maybe the one you were using was more intrusive?

Not a big fan of this, but seeing how stupid 3 penalty points for "speeding" affected my insurance premiums for 3 years I tend to be more disciplined now. Don't even want to know what 6 points would do...

mikeecho

wonski wrote: »

I tried it before and it wasn't really kicking in until you reach the specified speed. So it wouldn't affect any sort of control until that point.

It was 02 Merc so maybe the one you were using was more intrusive?

Not a big fan of this, but seeing how stupid 3 penalty points for "speeding" affected my insurance premiums for 3 years I tend to be more disciplined now. Don't even want to know what 6 points would do...

I set it to 40mph in the 60k zone and 31 in the 50k zone.

I could push the accelerator ¾ and it would have no effect.. I really had to push it hard to move past the pre set limit.

And when I did push it all the way, I felt that there was a delay from when I wanted to accelerate, to when I could accelerate....

Maybe I should have just jammed the pedal .
but that isn't a natural reaction for when you only want to speed up a little bit.

mikeecho

I suppose it'll be strange for my children to understand that I was able to drive at 155mph / 250km/h . In an antique fossil fuel burning machine.

While they are in a silent, electric , computer limited, autonomous box.

These may well be the golden days of motoring.

wonski

There are other ways to get a thrill of speed rather than driving to and from work, or even for pleasure.

Track days, sky diving, you name it

The world has become automated and controls are put in place. Like it or not.

You can thank all those eejits who don't know how to drive and where to drive at excessive speed. And drunk drivers etc.

Imagine world 50 years ago and the cars they were driving normally. No great memories of speed there tbh to pass to the next generation. Unless you were rich. Now everyone can drive at speeds that are well over safety threshold.

V8 Interceptor

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I am complaining that I'm forced to do 80 with my trailer, but in doing so, I actually becoming a far greater burden and risk on the road as I am forcing much larger vehicles to constantly overtake me, rather than being allowed to flow with traffic.

I made that point re that daft 50mph trailer limit on here before and people said artics are more stable than a jeep and trailer :rolleyes:

mikeecho

wonski wrote: »

There are other ways to get a thrill of speed rather than driving to and from work, or even for pleasure.

Track days, sky diving, you name it

The world has become automated and controls are put in place. Like it or not.

You can thank all those eejits who don't know how to drive and where to drive at excessive speed. And drunk drivers etc.

Imagine world 50 years ago and the cars they were driving normally. No great memories of speed there tbh to pass to the next generation. Unless you were rich. Now everyone can drive at speeds that are well over safety threshold.

Sky diving home at 3.30am isn't an option for me.
I much more enjoy the drive.

V8 Interceptor

I'm surprised the amount of support for this measure on a Petrol head Forum of all places.

wonski

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I'm surprised the amount of support for this measure on a Petrol head Forum of all places.

I don't support it personally, but these things will come. Sooner or later.

It's like health and safety regulation within building industry. Or any other really.

Or food safety regulations in restaurants.

You don't like it, but you have no choice but to accept it.

Driving is no longer considered a leisure activity, for long time actually. Trucks and buses already are limited. You can't just rely on people to stick to the rules...

Isambard

mikeecho wrote: »

I used the speed limit option on my car today.
I didn't like it one bit.

Shure I could override it... But only by planting my foot into the carpet.

I had less control .. I won't be using it again.
If my next car comes with this technology automatically enabled everytime I start the car, I'll be looking to have is permanently disabled via coding.

(That and stop/start ßhite)

probably invalidate your insurance if you do.

Tacitus Kilgore

Isambard wrote: »

probably invalidate your insurance if you do.

Sure the way insurance is these days you could invalidate it by holding your mouth the wrong way while driving

Alun

mikeecho wrote: »

I used the speed limit option on my car today.
I didn't like it one bit.

Same here, tried it once, never again, once you get near the limit it feels like you're driving through a sea of thick treacle.

creedp

Alun wrote: »

Same here, tried it once, never again, once you get near the limit it feels like you're driving through a sea of thick treacle.

Had this on a camper van in NZ a few years back but was unaware of it until I tried to overtake a truck and the camper van hit the speed wall (I think if was 50mph) when I was side by side the truck and it felt like it had lost all power. Had to hit brakes and slot back in behind the truck. Really disliked it as it was very difficult to get to grips with how much time I needed to overtake anything

Alun

creedp wrote: »

Had this on a camper van in NZ a few years back but was unaware of it until I tried to overtake a truck and the camper van hit the speed wall (I think if was 50mph) when I was side by side the truck and it felt like it had lost all power. Had to hit brakes and slot back in behind the truck. Really disliked it as it was very difficult to get to grips with how much time I needed to overtake anything

Interesting ... planning on going to NZ in November and hiring a campervan!

Alanstrainor

Alun wrote: »

Interesting ... planning on going to NZ in November and hiring a campervan!

Just did a trip in January, it was absolutely amazing. No speed limiter on our Sprinter van/camper, not that's a fast thing anyway!