New machinery/tractors price

Zeebsisgone654

Maybe this has been covered here before but does anyone else feel that machinery has gotten very expensive

older by the day

I think so too, any kind of plain 8ft disk mower is around 6500, the "good" brands are around 8000. I never realised things were so expensive

390kid

Ye without a doubt. Even the price of some second hand tractors seem to be way to high

patsy_mccabe

I think the problem now with new tractors is there are not enough guys earning enough to write off a new tractor against tax.

This would be a good place to record all prices paid for machinery. Handy reference to have.

Timmaay

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I think the problem now with new tractors is there are not enough guys earning enough to write off a new tractor against tax.

This would be a good place to record all prices paid for machinery. Handy reference to have.

80 to 100k on a good brand high spec new loader tractor is just not worth it for the majority of livestock farmers,especially as they are generally less reliable and alot more expensive to service.

Reggie.

older by the day wrote: »

I think so too, any kind of plain 8ft disk mower is around 6500, the "good" brands are around 8000. I never realised things were so expensive

I just ordered a new kverneland 3228 moco mounted mower. €14000 inc vat. That took serious fighting too.

Panch18

Reggie. wrote: »

I just ordered a new kverneland 3228 moco mounted mower. €14000 inc vat. That took serious fighting too.

What cutting with is that?

Are they still doing zero finance on kv stuff?

Reggie.

Panch18 wrote: »

What cutting with is that?

Are they still doing zero finance on kv stuff?

Roughly 9ft 4". The next one up was nearly 10ft 6" which I reckoned was way too much pressure for the cross shaft of my tractor to handle.

Alot of manufacturers do their own finance options but I rather to do my own dealing with finance companies and leave the finance out of the machine costing. Many might not know this but if you finance a machine then it is priced into the machine that's why salesmen ask ya is it being financed through them before you get your first price offer.

So in fact 0% finance isn't 0% as an extra bit is factored into the machine cost before the price battle begins

Bullocks

Reggie. wrote: »

Roughly 9ft 4". The next one up was nearly 10ft 6" which I reckoned was way too much pressure for the cross shaft of my tractor to handle.

Alot of manufacturers do their own finance options but I rather to do my own dealing with finance companies and leave the finance out of the machine costing. Many might not know this but if you finance a machine then it is priced into the machine that's why salesmen ask ya is it being financed through them before you get your first price offer.

So in fact 0% finance isn't 0% as an extra bit is factored into the machine cost before the price battle begins

Why did you go with mounted over trailed ?
Well wear

Reggie.

Bullocks wrote: »

Why did you go with mounted over trailed ?
Well wear

Approx 9k cheaper and easier to get in and out of fields

jaymla627

Reggie. wrote: »

I just ordered a new kverneland 3228 moco mounted mower. €14000 inc vat. That took serious fighting too.

Got a pottinger here back in late 2017 for 14500, brother works their so got it at trade price with 500 euro for the dealer, to buy would of been 17500 if you walked in with cash in-hand

Reggie.

jaymla627 wrote: »

Got a pottinger here back in late 2017 for 14500, brother works their so got it at trade price with 500 euro for the dealer, to buy would of been 17500 if you walked in with cash in-hand

A 9ft or 10ft

mengele

Reggie. wrote: »

A 9ft or 10ft

Are you keeping the 2nd landini as a 2nd tractor? How many tractors have you in total now?

foxy farmer

This country is a rip off when it comes to machinery. The dealers want mad money for gear. Contractor showed me a UK website selling a brand new 2500 gallon tanker manufactured here. It's 6k less in the UK even with vat and currency taken into account.
There's dealers in the north importing new machinery of well known Irish brands from the UK as opposed to direct from the manufacturers here. I wonder why? :rolleyes:

jaymla627

Reggie. wrote: »

A 9ft or 10ft

10ft 302 with conditioner, brilliant mower, the hydraulic self-leveling really sets it apart from other mounted mowers, heavy though 1320kgs you wouldn’t want to be messing about when on hilly ground/turning sharply

Reggie.

mengele wrote: »

Are you keeping the 2nd landini as a 2nd tractor? How many tractors have you in total now?

No 2nd one is traded in. Staying one-man band till the young lad is 16. Well that's the plan but who knows what'll happen

Odelay

jaymla627 wrote: »

10ft 302 with conditioner, brilliant mower, the hydraulic self-leveling really sets it apart from other mounted mowers, heavy though 1320kgs you wouldn’t want to be messing about when on hilly ground/turning sharply

That’s interesting. €1400 odd for 1320kgs of machinery. About ten years ago insurers allowed €10,000 per ton replacement costs. That is for giant industrial equipment but I guess it’s not too far off the mark?

whelan2

Reggie. wrote: »

No 2nd one is traded in. Staying one-man band till the young lad is 16. Well that's the plan but who knows what'll happen

What about the daughter????

whelan2

Zeebsisgone654 wrote: »

Maybe this has been covered here before but does anyone else feel that machinery has gotten very expensive

Bought a new keenan feeder a few weeks ago, will be delivered in a few weeks. The figure the sales rep gave me first was crazy. Told him to come back when he had proper figures. They wanted my machine so was happy enough in the end with the deal, but what he was saying first was mental

Odelay

whelan2 wrote: »

What about the daughter????

She’ll be giving the orders.

Reggie.

whelan2 wrote: »

What about the daughter????

As you seen yourself she's more an admin position type of girl

Reggie.

Odelay wrote: »

She’ll be giving the orders.

My thoughts exactly

Reggie.

whelan2 wrote: »

Bought a new keenan feeder a few weeks ago, will be delivered in a few weeks. The figure the sales rep gave me first was crazy. Told him to come back when he had proper figures. They wanted my machine so was happy enough in the end with the deal, but what he was saying first was mental

I always tell people never be in a rush to buy machines. You have to play the long game sometimes. I buy that much that salesmen don't really mess me about. Could really only be a few 100 from the first to final price. Always be ready to walk away from a deal.

Timmaay

whelan2 wrote: »

Bought a new keenan feeder a few weeks ago, will be delivered in a few weeks. The figure the sales rep gave me first was crazy. Told him to come back when he had proper figures. They wanted my machine so was happy enough in the end with the deal, but what he was saying first was mental

Sounds like the experience I had the 1st time the dairymaster sales rep did up a price for me for a new milking parlour here. I think he was simply teasing out how much of an absolute gob****e I was and how many extras he could lob in, I wasn't long telling him he was 30 or 40k out from quotes from 2 other manufacturers and he wasn't long then slashing his price down to being surprisingly competitive in the end!!

whelan2

Reggie. wrote: »

I always tell people never be in a rush to buy machines. You have to play the long game sometimes. I buy that much that salesmen don't really mess me about. Could really only be a few 100 from the first to final price. Always be ready to walk away from a deal.

Ye I think they thought first of all sure what would she know. I was busy with a heifer calving with twins, I think they changed their tune fairly quickly. A big drop from first price to final one.

davidk1394

New tractor coming is 53,500 +VAT including the trade in of the old tractor

jimmy G M

davidk1394 wrote: »

New tractor coming is 53,500 +VAT including the trade in of the old tractor

Good man, did you say what you bought? :pac:

davidk1394

jimmy G M wrote: »

Good man, did you say what you bought? :pac:

All will be revealed. Comes with front links & pto, extra work lights, extra spools, air brakes and 5 year warranty

Reggie.

davidk1394 wrote: »

All will be revealed. Comes with front links & pto, extra work lights, extra spools, air brakes and 5 year warranty

It's a NH so

MeTheMan

whelan2 wrote: »

Ye I think they thought first of all sure what would she know. I was busy with a heifer calving with twins, I think they changed their tune fairly quickly. A big drop from first price to final one.

Would you mind elaborating? Maybe even a percentage difference between first price and final price.

Seems mad that there isn't just a price on mechinary. They have to know what they need to sell it for to make a profit, but seem happy to rip off the not so frequent less informed buyers.

Timmaay

MeTheMan wrote: »

Seems mad that there isn't just a price on mechinary. They have to know what they need to sell it for to make a profit, but seem happy to rip off the not so frequent less informed buyers.

https://youtu.be/MJXLV_DMKa0

older by the day

I love the Wolf of wallstreet, its about as far away from my daily life as you can get. But coming back to machinery, any good deals for a plain 8 -9ft mower

whelan2

MeTheMan wrote: »

Would you mind elaborating? Maybe even a percentage difference between first price and final price.

Seems mad that there isn't just a price on mechinary. They have to know what they need to sell it for to make a profit, but seem happy to rip off the not so frequent less informed buyers.

A drop of 12.5% big enough imo

MeTheMan

whelan2 wrote: »

A drop of 12.5% big enough imo

It's massive! Makes the first price he said sound like something he pulled out of his rear. For the easy maths it's 12500 off 100k

whelan2

MeTheMan wrote: »

It's massive! Makes the first price he said sound like something he pulled out of his rear. For the easy maths it's 12500 off 100k

You'd wonder do lads deal at the stupid prices

MeTheMan

whelan2 wrote: »

You'd wonder do lads deal at the stupid prices

I'd say there is lads mighty proud of themselfs after getting 5% off the first price. Sure if one poor devil in every 100 does its worth there time.

timple23

Slightly off topic, but I left my car in at a main dealer (had no choice). They gave me a print out of a list of parts needed and a quote for each. 80 euro for windscreen wipers!!!

Muckit

They'd want to be able to wipe more than the windows for that!

lab man

39.5 k new lely / Massey Ferguson baler no trade in 500/60/22.5 tractor grip tyres, fully auto grease fully oil lube, ordered today , gonna be a long time making it back,

Dunedin

whelan2 wrote: »

You'd wonder do lads deal at the stupid prices

Bought new tractor in 2015. €7.5k between one dealer and another for exactly the same spec.

Aravo

Dunedin wrote:

Bought new tractor in 2015. €7.5k between one dealer and another for exactly the same spec.

New tractor in 2018. €2k between dealers. 100HP with loader can be bought €60-65k inc vat. No trade ins.

Reggie.

lab man wrote: »

39.5 k new lely / Massey Ferguson baler no trade in 500/60/22.5 tractor grip tyres, fully auto grease fully oil lube, ordered today , gonna be a long time making it back,

Sexy. Well wear lad. Do they still use the mech closing on the door?

lab man

Reggie. wrote:

Sexy. Well wear lad. Do they still use the mech closing on the door?

What do u mean by mechanical,
There is hooks on the last one I presume they still are the same

Panch18

lab man wrote: »

39.5 k new lely / Massey Ferguson baler no trade in 500/60/22.5 tractor grip tyres, fully auto grease fully oil lube, ordered today , gonna be a long time making it back,

Well wear, Jesus it won’t be long now before they pass the 40k mark

Would that be the replacement for the Welger 245??

lab man

Panch18 wrote:

Would that be the replacement for the Welger 245??

Ya pancho bought a 245 coming on its 4th season now 2019 and I think twas 42k that time I must look at the sale docket

lab man

Mc hale was coming in at 39 k

Panch18

lab man wrote: »

Ya pancho bought a 245 coming on its 4th season now 2019 and I think twas 42k that time I must look at the sale docket

Are ya doing many bales per year?

GrasstoMilk

lab man wrote: »

Mc hale was coming in at 39 k

Why did you go for the lely over McHale

lab man

Panch18 wrote:

Are ya doing many bales per year?

About 10 k now but got caught last autumn with the wet weather needed 5 balers 1 day with rain coming