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How come there's no penalty points for driving without tax?

  • 22-03-2019 6:14pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭


    Was looking at the penalty point table and noticed that there's no penalty points issued for driving without tax. Thought this was a bit strange as there is penalty points issued for less severe offences. Can anybody shed any light on the reason and what are the penalties for driving without tax?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Truckermal


    Tax has nothing to do with road safety.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Tax is a finance offence which attracts a fine for non display of same oor seizure if out of date past a certain period. Penalty periods are a safety initiative to change behaviour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,738 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Jp1506 wrote: »
    Was looking at the penalty point table and noticed that there's no penalty points issued for driving without tax. Thought this was a bit strange as there is penalty points issued for less severe offences. Can anybody shed any light on the reason and what are the penalties for driving without tax?

    You can be fined for not displaying a valid tax disc, and if the tax is out over two months, your car is liable to be impounded until the arrears are paid.

    Tax doesn't correspond to road safety, it's a revenue matter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭Isambard


    it's just a tax and the Gards shouldn't be tasked with enforcing it imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    This tax shouldn't exist in the first place.
    No need for it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    What are the less severe offences the op mentions? Because I can't think of any.

    Road tax doesn't directly affect any other road users at the time of the offence.

    Penalty points are to discipline drivers who in theory cause a danger on the road. Taxed or not...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭BuboBubo


    You can be fined for not displaying a valid tax disc, and if the tax is out over two months, your car is liable to be impounded until the arrears are paid.

    Tax doesn't correspond to road safety, it's a revenue matter.

    This ^^^ tax isn't a safety issue, nct and insurance are!

    How many days grace do you get though? If your tax disc expires on the last day of March, could you get a fine on 3rd of April? Just curious?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    No grace. You can get two in two days parked outside your house, too ;)

    Sure most will not fine you for few days anyway but legally can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    BuboBubo wrote: »
    This ^^^ tax isn't a safety issue, nct and insurance are!

    How is insurance a safety issue?

    I agree with NCT being one, but can't see any link between insurance and safety.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,861 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    CiniO wrote:
    How is insurance a safety issue?


    Stop thinking solely about yourself for a change.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,992 ✭✭✭McCrack


    CiniO wrote: »
    How is insurance a safety issue?

    I agree with NCT being one, but can't see any link between insurance and safety.

    There isn't any link and like motor tax not having insurance should not be a penalty point offence.

    If someone is detected without insurance they normally will get a two year disqualification anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    CiniO wrote: »
    How is insurance a safety issue?

    Because your vehicle is a danger to every other road user if it's not insured.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Del2005 wrote: »
    Because your vehicle is a danger to every other road user if it's not insured.

    But you can't (legally) tax your car if it's not insured


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,908 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Driving without tax is a revenue issue, not a safety one. It's more of a money issue than anything else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    Driving without sex is a revenue issue, not a safety one. It's more of a money issue than anything else.

    I'll make sure to get a BJ the next time I'm on the motorway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭EmptyTree


    Driving without sex is a revenue issue, not a safety one. It's more of a money issue than anything else.
    I imagine driving with sex is a safety issue too....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,516 ✭✭✭Wheety


    Driving without sex is a revenue issue, not a safety one. It's more of a money issue than anything else.

    Could be a safety issue tbf :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭Isambard


    what is this thread? Someone looking to get points given for no tax?...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    But you can't (legally) tax your car if it's not insured

    Your insurance can expire while the tax is still valid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Del2005 wrote: »
    Your insurance can expire while the tax is still valid.

    It can but to renew your tax you need an insurance policy number etc. Doesnt have to be real though as it's not verified.


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