All Ireland Senior Hurling (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2019

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One_More_Mile wrote: »

Called him a useless c@nt

Davy was probably right though!

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mountgomery burns wrote: »

The chances he missed from open play were as bad if not worse.

We are missing alot of chances and we just haven't clicked yet. Not sure we will click. We over play the ball alot and make bad decisions.


If we do click we could be dangerous but that is a big "IF"

robbiezero

Bonniedog wrote: »

You have to give the Wexford lads the credit for digging in and retrieving what looked like lost games this week and against Dublin.

Someone mentioned Chin missing a free or two, but he is invaluable to that team. Drags them out of holes.

Leaves Dublin needing big win over Carlow and to beat Galway to have any chance/

He had about 7 wides and one or 2 dropped short. Dragged them into a hole today.

Pogue eile

ShamoBuc wrote: »

The last 15 was close and quite exciting.

The rest of the game was truly awful. Some of the wides were atrocious. Chin will never be as poor again surely. Galway were rudderless.

The quality of hurling was extremely poor. Yes, it was windy but at times it was junior B level. The decision making by both sides, the passing, the shooting, the atmosphere, all very poor.

He has more poor games than good to be honest, pure hype which I guess is understandable and not in anyway his fault. Every free he takes is not only a lottery its also illegal but he has yet to be pulled up for it.

willietherock wrote: »

Muster championship has be awful so far. Wat/Clare was the only semi competitive game.

The standard in Munster has been streets ahead of what was on show yesterday, could you imagine what Wexford or Galway would do for a Patrick Horgan or a Bubbles O'Dwyer. There is a clear difference in quality at the minute but of course that could change, Munster is such a battlefield that whoever emerges will have expanded a hell of a lot of energy and from a Leinster perspective Galway will improve with Joes return and Kilkenny will always be dangerous in Croke Park. There has pretty much been an even split between the two provinces in AI final appearances in the last number of years and U21/20 has been dominated by Munster but that connect between U21 and Senior has always been dodgy.

mountgomery burns

It's not inconceivable that Galway be out of the championship before Canning returns. Two away games that they will be beaten in if they play like they did yesterday. All Wexford would have to do then is beat Carlow or Kilkenny to qualify.

Joe_ Public

There's a lot made of the difference in intensity and competitiveness between the two provincial championships which is understandable. Yet when it came down to it last year it was 3 munster teams contesting the All Ire sfs and Clare probably could and should have made it an all Munster final. They had enough chances both days against Galway anyway. Being in munster may be a disadvantage in terms of qualifying for knock-out stages, but i still think it comes down to quality as to who holds sway from there. Hard to be definitive after just one full year of the new system, but i dont buy the tiredness angle at all.

Frozen Veg

mountgomery burns wrote: »

The chances he missed from open play were as bad if not worse.

Chin is the most overrated player in the country.

castletownman

Frozen Veg wrote: »

mountgomery burns wrote: »

The chances he missed from open play were as bad if not worse.

Chin is the most overrated player in the country.

He actually hurled well from general play. Free taking is atrotious though. And that is Wexford's biggest issue. Frustrating certainly, and slightly overhyped but no more so than a few lads from over counties.

conor05

castletownman wrote: »

Frozen Veg wrote: »

mountgomery burns wrote: »

The chances he missed from open play were as bad if not worse.

Chin is the most overrated player in the country.

He actually hurled well from general play. Free taking is atrotious though. And that is Wexford's biggest issue. Frustrating certainly, and slightly overhyped but no more so than a few lads from over counties.

If Wexford had a free taker like Joe Canning they would win a lot more big matches.
Their conversion rate is terrible.

Bonniedog

conor05 wrote: »

If Wexford had a free taker like Joe Canning they would win a lot more big matches.
Their conversion rate is terrible.

Chin is good player and more importantly, rallies the team when they are losing. Having seen both the game against ourselves and Galway, he was one of main factors in turning things Wexford's way.

His freetaking is erratic to say the least! Teams like Wexford and Dublin are paying the price for not having a better freetaker, and indeed Galway yesterday clearly missed Canning.

Carlow are decent side, but one of main factors in their upward curve is Kavanagh from placed balls. not seen any stats but he must be well up there among leading ones/

Realt Dearg Sec

Lads saying that Lee chin was good from play are right I think, he's a solid player for working ball forward. But in terms of the frees people are saying he either had a bad day or he's a bit inconsistent. The thing is though, his technique is absolutely terrible. How a backroom team can look at him take frees and have him do it on match day is beyond me. You can't make someone consistent when he approaches the ball like that, crossing his legs, not to mention his lifting motion is illegal anyway. I'd rather someone who misses but has a technique you can work with. If you were coaching an u 14 and he had that approach to a free you'd take him aside and have a word. Is there nobody in Wexford able to do a better job? (Aside from Guiney)

That getting said Galway are missing Joe's consistency as well, but you'd have to say Wexford freetaking was the difference. Not Lee chins fault (they could have lost without his contribution from play as well, to be fair), how a whole backroom team could let a situation develop like this in the modern era where all the top teams have freetakers like metronomes, I just don't know. I thought Davy was meant to be all about total attention to every detail, no expense spared?

Bonniedog

Be difficult to coach him or anyone else into different style now!.

There was interesting interview with Tipp's Eoin Kelly a few weeks ago when he said that in his day - not that long ago I know! - he might have 6/7/8 frees a game and be expected to score vast majority of them.

Now the free count is much higher due to defence and perhaps different referring, so a team might have 13/14 scoreable frees and if you miss 4/5 of them you are in trouble.

Inconsistency in that department is very frustrating for teams, and I've seen Dublin drift out of games in periods when play is intense in third quarter and free count is up and they are missing too many. Wexford almost paid similar price on Sunday, and Galway also had chances near end to win from missed frees.

threeball

Bonniedog wrote: »

Be difficult to coach him or anyone else into different style now!.

There was interesting interview with Tipp's Eoin Kelly a few weeks ago when he said that in his day - not that long ago I know! - he might have 6/7/8 frees a game and be expected to score vast majority of them.

Now the free count is much higher due to defence and perhaps different referring, so a team might have 13/14 scoreable frees and if you miss 4/5 of them you are in trouble.

Inconsistency in that department is very frustrating for teams, and I've seen Dublin drift out of games in periods when play is intense in third quarter and free count is up and they are missing too many. Wexford almost paid similar price on Sunday, and Galway also had chances near end to win from missed frees.

Why would it be difficult. Golfers change their swing regularly. Tennis players do the same.

Any decent hurler should be able to master a correct technique to lift and strike a ball in no more than a month. The basics are there already. Chin lifts, then brings his back leg behind his front leg which means his shoulders which be perpendicular to the goal are now rotated away slightly. He then has to rotate his torso to correct and his elbows have to straighten to rotate his arms round his body. All of the above movements come from the initial movement of the feet. Correct that you'll correct the rest.

When taking a free the less body parts moving at the point of contact the less the margin of error. Chin has about 3 to 4 needless movements in his technique hence his poor return. Add in wind and it becomes a bit lottery

dastardly00

TdB from Waterford with two wides in a row both from really far out. Silly.

citykat

Soft free for Maurice

RMAOK

dastardly00 wrote: »

TdB from Waterford with two wides in a row both from really far out. Silly.

He was as well off to shoot as there's at least one extra limerick man back

citykat

That should've been a free out. Hegarty was charging and ultimately threw the ball

RMAOK

There's a danger here that Waterford could get well beaten the way things are going now

citykat

Ah ffs. Get up Casey. There's nothing wrong with you

ShamoBuc

Maurice was a lucky boy there. Could easily have been given a red.

Gentleman Off The Pitch

Limerick are a strong physical team, but they'll never waste an opportunity to hit the deck in the hope of getting a man sent off

citykat

Waterford forwards are completely out of it

C__MC

Game set match,
Been a very flat Munster campaign so far.
Has Marty referenced intensity yet

threeball

citykat wrote: »

Waterford forwards are completely out of it

Do they have forwards cos they've been missing 3 weeks at this stage.

Waterford have been abysmal this year. Complete joke they don't have to face a relegation play off. Not exactly sure they'd dispatch Carlow at the minute.

Shows where Galway are at too as we lost to them two games running.

I think I'll turn this off at HT, another thrashing coming.

SeaFields

You'd really fear for Waterford when Limerick have that breeze. Limerick are toying with them at times here

Ompala

SeaFields wrote: »

You'd really free for Waterford when Limerick have that breeze. Limerick are toying with them at times here

Waterford are playing straight into Limericks hands persisting with long ball each time. They are making it very easy for Limerick.

castletownman

What ever about Chin, Gleeson would definitely frustrate you to watch.

Now there's a player who is overhyped somewhat.

Itssoeasy

Whoever decided to keep the same puck out strategy going even when it’s clearly not working should be sacked.

RMAOK

Waterford haven't used the breeze at all in that first half