The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann (Netflix)

Mr E

Netflix just announced that this is airing tomorrow (15th).
It's 8 episodes and looks absolutely compelling from the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBnarCTOiCY

Guy:Incognito

Is it independent of of anyone involved or is is likely to be sympathetic to anyone?

Mr E

Not done with Kate and Gerry's blessing anyway....

Kate and Gerry McCann refused to take part in the documentary, saying it could "hinder" the police investigation to find their daughter.

They said: "The production company told us that they were making the documentary and asked us to participate.

"We did not see and still do not see how this programme will help the search for Madeleine and, particularly given there is an active police investigation, could potentially hinder it.

"Consequently, o­­ur views and preferences are not reflected in the programme. We will not be making any further statements or giving interviews regarding this programme."

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/03/14/netflix-documentary-claims-madeleine-mccann-is-alive-and-was-ab/

GLaDOS

Mr E wrote: »

Not done with Kate and Gerry's blessing anyway....



https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/03/14/netflix-documentary-claims-madeleine-mccann-is-alive-and-was-ab/

Probably for the best from an objectivity standpoint. A significant group of people would slate it if there was a hint of bias towards the parents.

banie01

OmegaGene wrote: »

parents are not involved

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/what-to-expect-from-netflixs-new-docuseries-about-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-37912536.html

In the documentary

ThunbergsAreGo

Not sure how I feel about this. It is an open case

gerrybbadd

Was expecting an hour and a half long documentary, not a full series - so that's great.

The trailer, well, the way it's edited at least, seems to be pointing towards Kate & Gerry in a sinister fashion.

ThunbergsAreGo

OmegaGene wrote: »

So was making a murderer

Wasn't someone convicted of that crime?

NIMAN

Won'r be watching....I'm sure nothing will be added to what we already know.

Sad to say, it's kinda boring at this stage.

Mr E

Yikes. The Guardian trashed it.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/mar/15/disappearance-madeleine-mccann-netflix-review-moral-failure

All of it was padded out with extraneous guff – the history of the Algarve as a holiday resort, accounts from journalists of how they rushed to get to the story and then their breathless accounts of waiting for and not getting any news … The talking heads were frequently drowned out by the sound of barrel-bottoms being scraped.

Gamer Bhoy 89

What time is it meant to be available from? Not showing up on Netflix for me at all

Mr E

It's there for me....

SusieBlue

Gamer Bhoy 89 wrote: »

What time is it meant to be available from? Not showing up on Netflix for me at all

A lot of people who can't find it are spelling her name wrong. Are you typing in Madeline instead of Madeleine, maybe?

RollieFingers

Gamer Bhoy 89 wrote: »

What time is it meant to be available from? Not showing up on Netflix for me at all

It's the very first thing you can see on the app! Looking forward to it, Paddys weekend viewing sorted.

katiek102010

Slow to start with.

katiek102010

It's slow to start with

katiek102010

OmegaGene wrote: »

Well it’s not going to be full of action that’s for sue

😂😂😂😂 It's really really slow to the point you want to switch off. Pics up in ep 3

Watched the first two episodes. Finding it boring, I’m wondering is because I know the story and most of what went on? And I’ve my mind made up on what happened?
Tbh it just makes me want to go to Praia de luz, looks gorge

ligerdub

The first 4 episodes are ok, and reasonably balanced, but it quickly descends into a pro-McCann/bash the Portuguese cops exercise from episode 5 on. The Kennedy's in particular made some trashy comments about the Russian web designer.

Garbage.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

ligerdub wrote: »

The first 4 episodes are ok, and reasonably balanced, but it quickly descends into a pro-McCann/bash the Portuguese cops exercise from episode 5 on. The Kennedy's in particular made some trashy comments about the Russian web designer.

Garbage.

Ah feck off, excellent so far

Jimbob1977

The second episode portrays the Portuguese police as dirty, sweaty, unshaven amateurs.

Like they were working in Cuba or a corrupt Latin American country. Smoking and drinking.

The British journalists don't cover themselves in glory either. Oh - Robert Murat - he asks lots of questions. He must be guilty, like Ian Huntley.

Tipsy McSwagger

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

The second episode portrays the Portuguese police as dirty, sweaty, unshaven amateurs.

Like they were working in Cuba or a corrupt Latin American country. Smoking and drinking.

The British journalists don't cover themselves in glory either. Oh - Robert Murat - he asks lots of questions. He must be guilty, like Ian Huntley.

Except of course Huntley knew the girls and admitted he was the last to see them. Murat is just a bit egocentric. He offered his services as an interpreter and what did he get? A scumbag tabloid journalist going to the police and saying you should take a look at this guy.

Biggest issue I have after watching the first 2 episodes is that complete scumbag Kelvin McKenzie being in it.

Jimbob1977

I hope the truth is learnt one day.

There have been cases of American girls turning up a decade later - after giving their abductors the slip. And Natascha Kampusch in Austria. The psychological damage must be devastating.

razorblunt

On episode 2 now, that la dust described her as an “attractive girl”. WTF? She was 3.

It also shows how the media can misportray things too, the BBC fella making out it’s a shock no one saw anything. It’s a quiet back street in a quiet tourist town in April. It’s not as shocking as you might think that there was relatively no sighting.

Immortal Starlight

Iv watched most of this. The amount of children abducted is horrific and heartbreaking. I didn't realise the number of children missing were so very high. It makes you feel so helpless. The police that investigate these cases and sometimes even manage to find these poor children deserve medals.

RollieFingers

After watching that I still don't know what to think happened that night. The idea that any parents could be involved in such an incident is unbelievable, but then again so is the idea of some random bogeyman who just happened to know the perfect moment to take her.

The thing that makes me believe her parents weren't involved is that if they were, what did they do with the body? It just doesn't make sense to imply the freezer hypotheses or that they could somehow move a body in a foreign country under the scrutiny of all that media? Poor kiddo whatever happened to her.

wadacrack

A very attractive little girl,strange comment to make by a middle aged man on a documentary

Itssoeasy

I've just watched the first episode and it was a strange one. The algarve tourist board bit in the middle was strange but hopefully it gets better as the trailer hooked me in.

razorblunt

OmegaGene wrote: »

I thought that was an odd way to describe a 3 year old tbh
Another thing that I found weird is people expect a child to be safe in a resort, parents went for food and wine and left her at home with the back door open, I could never understand that


It’s the behind the scenes things I’m more interested in, how the police did or didn’t act etc and how the press pressured the police to come up with results

Yeah, I mean we have an apartment in that village and love it. It’s incredibly safe but we’re never under any illusions that you still wouldn’t put the shutters down, lock the door and never leave the kids at home.

The babysitting is about 20e an hour. Peanuts for two doctors, peanuts in general for somewhere like that anyway.

tretorn

I watched it and I just dont know either.

I still cant get over Kate Mc Cann running from the apartment without the twins, she is shouting someone has taken Madeleine and yet she has left her twins in that apartment with the door open. Maybe it was shock, none of us know how we would react but the twins were tiny, surely you would pick them both up and run with them.

I watched another programme about this and one local who ran a shop said there is no way you could walk around that resort with a child and not be spotted by someone, this shop owner made no further comment but was quite adamant that there were always people walking around and you would be spotted. Did anyone else apart from the friend who was with the group see the person with the child in his arms.

Its utterly, utterly bizarre that anyone would leave their children sleeping, you would take better care of your hired car. The child was so let down.

DeWitt

tretorn wrote: »

I watched it and I just dont know either.

I still cant get over Kate Mc Cann running from the apartment without the twins, she is shouting someone has taken Madeleine and yet she has left her twins in that apartment with the door open. Maybe it was shock, none of us know how we would react but the twins were tiny, surely you would pick them both up and run with them.

I watched another programme about this and one local who ran a shop said there is no way you could walk around that resort with a child and not be spotted by someone, this shop owner made no further comment but was quite adamant that there were always people walking around and you would be spotted. Did anyone else apart from the friend who was with the group see the person with the child in his arms.

Its utterly, utterly bizarre that anyone would leave their children sleeping, you would take better care of your hired car. The child was so let down.

Thought you watched it? Irishman Martin Smith and his family saw a man carrying a young child on the same night.

tretorn

Did the Smith family not say afterwards that it was a different child they saw.

I was reading at the same time as I was watching though because it was a bit tedious.

I am on episode four or five though, what episode do the Smiths appear in.

razorblunt

tretorn wrote: »

I watched it and I just dont know either.

I still cant get over Kate Mc Cann running from the apartment without the twins, she is shouting someone has taken Madeleine and yet she has left her twins in that apartment with the door open. Maybe it was shock, none of us know how we would react but the twins were tiny, surely you would pick them both up and run with them.

I watched another programme about this and one local who ran a shop said there is no way you could walk around that resort with a child and not be spotted by someone, this shop owner made no further comment but was quite adamant that there were always people walking around and you would be spotted. Did anyone else apart from the friend who was with the group see the person with the child in his arms.

Its utterly, utterly bizarre that anyone would leave their children sleeping, you would take better care of your hired car. The child was so let down.

Not up that road though. It really is a quiet street and the resort has loads of quiet streets. The properties dont tend to have balconies facing the roads either so that aspect wouldnt be there either .

Blanco100

somebody might correct me on this but it didnt seem to be properly explained in relation to exact relationship between the McCanns and the tapas 7. Were they friends who met over the course of the holiday? were they close friend who were acquainted back in Uk?

The Oldfield guy who check on their kids, was he a close friend from home? Very odd to let a bloke you met on holiday check on your kids.

However, being a negligent parent doesnt make them complicit. There would be a whole different spin put on this case if the McCann were an unemployed couple in same circumstances whose kid went missing in Benidorm.

I think they were closed off to certain lines of questioning/closed ranks to a certain extent as they knew they were going to be vilified for leaving their kids alone.

So many theories in fairness, but my own guess would be that the family were under surveillance by a sophisticated trafficking operation who saw a window of oportunity to get in and get out having witnessed the families regular evening habits.

Chances are shes living with a family now and is completely non the wiser.

AndrewJRenko

Blanco100 wrote: »

Chances are shes living with a family now and is completely non the wiser.

I wonder if she has access to Netflix?

biggebruv

I think she’s dead and they had something to do with it especially the dad something doesn’t sit right with me on him

jeremyj1968

razorblunt wrote: »

On episode 2 now, that la dust described her as an “attractive girl”. WTF? She was 3.

Yeah I found that odd as well. Surely the word pretty would have been more appropriate, but how can a man describe a little girl as being attractive.

I'm on episode six at the moment. It was good at the start, but is now just going over all the false leads and red herrings. The program seems to be more about people who feel they have been maligned (like Robert Murat, Goncalo Amoral, Brian Kennedy) to defend their characters rather than actually getting to the truth of what happened to the child.

I presume that they approached Martin Smith but he said no interview?

Don't think I'm going to watch it..all these sensationalist documentaries designed to just be a big whodunnit and get idiots arguing over them are really starting to annoy and depress me.. It's so divisive.. There is a little girl missing here..this is not entertainment..If I see investigators going around doing speaking tours I'll lose whatever miniscule amount of faith in humanity I have left..

razorblunt

Blanco100 wrote: »

somebody might correct me on this but it didnt seem to be properly explained in relation to exact relationship between the McCanns and the tapas 7. Were they friends who met over the course of the holiday? were they close friend who were acquainted back in Uk?

The Oldfield guy who check on their kids, was he a close friend from home? Very odd to let a bloke you met on holiday check on your kids.

However, being a negligent parent doesnt make them complicit. There would be a whole different spin put on this case if the McCann were an unemployed couple in same circumstances whose kid went missing in Benidorm.

I think they were closed off to certain lines of questioning/closed ranks to a certain extent as they knew they were going to be vilified for leaving their kids alone.

So many theories in fairness, but my own guess would be that the family were under surveillance by a sophisticated trafficking operation who saw a window of oportunity to get in and get out having witnessed the families regular evening habits.

Chances are shes living with a family now and is completely non the wiser.

Yer man Oldfield didn't even stick his head in on the kids, lazy bastard.

What I find strange is the mother said the door was more ajar than she had remembered earlier in the evening so it raised suspicion. But her husband and Oldfield had been to check before here, why would she be alarmed knowing someone else could have left it like that.

Tipsy McSwagger

biggebruv wrote: »

I think she’s dead and they had something to do with it especially the dad something doesn’t sit right with me on him

Ok so how did they do it? What was the motive? Where was the opportunity? Why would they do it?
What doesn’t sit right with you about the dad?

Agent Coulson

The man who went back to the apartment to check on the kids but didn't check to see if they were actually there I wonder how much he was questioned and was he a suspect?


I also wonder how he feels now after all these years the guilt must be huge on him.

jeremyj1968

Very disappointing. The eight episodes could have been condensed down in to one maybe two episodes. Lots of peripheral stories like the trouble with the investigation agencies and the legal cases that Murat and the Tapas 7 took against the papers. Lots of self serving interviews with people connected to the case, like Murat and (grrrrrrrr) Kelvin McKenzie. No enough focus on the main story. And it keeps jumping all over the place - In episode eight they have just gone back to the Jane Tanner sighting having already covered it in another episode, maybe they ran out of material?

Richard D Hall has done more relevant work on his YouTube channel, than what is contained in this series.

And that husband and wife pair that they interviewed throughout the documentary drove me mad with their slow and passive delivery



I think the McCanns must have given Anthony Summers a dose of Calpol before they started filming.

brooke 2

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

Very disappointing. The eight episodes could have been condensed down in to one maybe two episodes. Lots of peripheral stories like the trouble with the investigation agencies and the legal cases that Murat and the Tapas 7 took against the papers. Lots of self serving interviews with people connected to the case, like Murat and (grrrrrrrr) Kelvin McKenzie. No enough focus on the main story. And it keeps jumping all over the place - In episode eight they have just gone back to the Jane Tanner sighting having already covered it in another episode, maybe they ran out of material?

Richard D Hall has done more relevant work on his YouTube channel, than what is contained in this series.

And that husband and wife pair that they interviewed throughout the documentary drove me mad with their slow and passive delivery



I think the McCanns must have given Anthony Summers a dose of Calpol before they started filming.

Anthony Summers.......I think he was the guy who was just interviewed on Newstalk. Has written a book about Madeleine's disappearance. Very supportive of the McCanns. Said they were not negligent parents! :mad:

biggebruv

Yes it’s definitely way to long it’s another making a murderer wannabe like almost all these recent docs could have been told in one 3 hour doc

So many unnecessary side story’s and sweeping shots of landscapes FFS get over yourselfs

limnam

biggebruv wrote: »

and sweeping shots of landscapes FFS get over yourselfs

Best part of the doc for me. Looks like a beautiful place to on a holiday

banie01

Very poor and stunted documentary IMO.
The 2nd half of the season in particular is incredibly speculative.

One of my favourite points is the constant referencing of the Jane Tanner sighting.

Tanner gave a vague description of a man with no face. As time went on that description was fleshed out more and more by Tanner without actually adding any descriptive detail.

That developed into the Brian Kennedy funded FBI trained artist sketch of a man carrying a young girl with a description of the pyjamas and blonde hair and so on...
She then confirms that this new "sketch" has at least an 80% likeness to the man she is now convinced took Maddie!
The sketch still has no face, but now it's a total game changer?

I note they docu makers focused very much on the English speaking Anglican minister, and made no mention of the Catholic priest.

limnam

banie01 wrote: »

Very poor and stunted documentary IMO.
The 2nd half of the season in particular is incredibly speculative.

One of my favourite points is the constant referencing of the Jane Tanner sighting.

Tanner gave a vague description of a man with no face. As time went on that description was fleshed out more and more by Tanner without actually adding any descriptive detail.

That developed into the Brian Kennedy funded FBI trained artist sketch of a man carrying a young girl with a description of the pyjamas and blonde hair and so on...
She then confirms that this new "sketch" has at least an 80% likeness to the man she is now convinced took Maddie!
The sketch still has no face, but now it's a total game changer?

I note they docu makers focused very much on the English speaking Anglican minister, and made no mention of the Catholic priest.

Game changer?


Didn't the guy come forward and cleared from the inquiry ?

7znbd9xmoiupye

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

Very disappointing. The eight episodes could have been condensed down in to one maybe two episodes. Lots of peripheral stories like the trouble with the investigation agencies and the legal cases that Murat and the Tapas 7 took against the papers. Lots of self serving interviews with people connected to the case, like Murat and (grrrrrrrr) Kelvin McKenzie. No enough focus on the main story. And it keeps jumping all over the place - In episode eight they have just gone back to the Jane Tanner sighting having already covered it in another episode, maybe they ran out of material?

Richard D Hall has done more relevant work on his YouTube channel, than what is contained in this series.

And that husband and wife pair that they interviewed throughout the documentary drove me mad with their slow and passive delivery



I think the McCanns must have given Anthony Summers a dose of Calpol before they started filming.

are those two journalist idiots in in all the way through?

BobbyBobberson

Some interesting bits in it but my god is it stretched out. The amount of padding and tangents is ridiculous.

thomas 123

BobbyBobberson wrote: »

Some interesting bits in it but my god is it stretched out. The amount of padding and tangents is ridiculous.

Yup just all padding. They could have covered it in 3 hours.

leahyl

I agree with there being too many episodes - I actually thought it was just a 2 hour documentary initially before I went onto Netflix to watch it, kind of put me off but I stuck it out - crazy long though with way too much padding as others have said and when they introduced that police officer from Scotland Yard who had worked in Northern Ireland and all the footage of the troubles - wtf, completely pointless