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2 & 1/2 year old sleep issues

  • 11-03-2019 11:11pm
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    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Our 2 & 1/2 year old boy is having a lot of sleep issues for the past few weeks. He used to be a brilliant sleeper, slept all night...since he was a newborn! Apart from sickness, he always slept through the night. But recently he wakes at least once a night, and refuses to lie back town and cries until I pick him up. Then refuses to go back into his cot and I end up having to bring him into the bed with me or we won't get any sleep. I know I shouldn't but I'm too exhausted to fight with him at 3am!

    In the past week he's told us he had a bad dream about his grandmother and is scared. He said it was something to do with her hurting herself. She hasn't had any accidents in real life, but she was sick about a month ago and had a few nights in hospital. At the time he was quite nervous about going near her and seemed a bit upset about it, but he has been fine since with her when he sees her as she has recovered. I think it has affected his sleep a bit more and caused the bad dream. We have tried to reassure him many times as has his grandmother.

    He still has 1 short nap in the afternoon, but not every day. I have been trying to cut his naps, but sometimes its just inevitable and he obviously still needs them. I have read this is some sort of 2 year sleep regression, so hoping it is just a phase, but its very tiring and we are not sure what else to do. I am wondering whether to try moving him into a bed now, but worry it might disrupt him even more.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,458 ✭✭✭scarepanda


    We found that when we moved our girl into a bed (at 2 yrs, 3 mths) that her sleep got worse, mainly because if she woke up she could get out of the bed! She used to be brilliant for sleeping from a very young age.

    She goes through phases now where she will get up and come into is, Usually around 4.30. most of the time we'll put her back out to bed, sometimes it involves tears and a few trips bringing her in, but it does work. My husband sleeps through most of it and with no2 due in a month I'm finding it hard to be getting up and down so much so lately when she sneaks in she's left in our bed.

    My girl went through a phase a few weeks ago where she would wake up roaring crying and (I think) she sleeps walk as well. But she was crying one night over one of the dogs and took down the hall looking for him (even though he was in our room). Another she was looking for her grandad. Ive linked the 'dreams' to her imagination kicking off fully. So maybe it's something like that going on? My girl is an aug 16 baby.
    I find it a lot easier to get her back to sleep and into the bed if we get up straight away when she starts crying, before she gets a chance to fully wake herself up. But that's hard when your asleep yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    So if I wake in the night and stay crying I get to mammy's bed. (Do you see what's going on there).

    Maybe take him look at a few little beds so he can come into you if he's upset but put him back in his own bed.

    He's probably waking for a wee, change his nappy that way he'll associate the crying with getting his nappy changed and the torment that is.

    You'll drive yourself cracked reading Google, he's your kid see what works for you. If something isn't working after a few nights change tactics. Make sure he's room isn't too hot or cold either he could be having trouble breathing if it's too hot.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Yeah it is a phase and definitely their imagination kicks in around then and they start dreaming.Unfortunately repeated trips to resettle him back in his bed are probably the only way.I did move mine to a bed round 2.5, they were just getting too big for the cot and disturbing themselves moving around in their sleep.I did put a stairgate on the bedroom door though, mostly to prevent them wandering into the bathroom or down the stairs at night if they got up (thankfully not much of an issue but still).We also had a groclock, so they would know when they had to stay in bed but it's still up to you to enforce it.The joys of parenting.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,458 ✭✭✭scarepanda


    shesty wrote:
    I did put a stairgate on the bedroom door though, mostly to prevent them wandering into the bathroom or down the stairs at night if they got up (thankfully not much of an issue but still).We also had a groclock, so they would know when they had to stay in bed but it's still up to you to enforce it.The joys of parenting.....


    We live in a bungalow, but still have a baby gate on her door, it's loose enough these days so doesn't keep her in, but we close it at night because it gives me an early warning that shes up and on the way out to us (if she doesn't wake up crying!!) She also *must* close it before she comes into us so some times it takes a few goes of pushing it to get it to catch!

    That's another thing, is he waking up in the dark? We don't have a grow light, but we do have a rechargeable silicon (see Amazon) side light that we leave on all night which we find great, it's just a glow, but enough that she's not waking up in the pitch dark, and makes checking in on her easier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭jonnybravo


    We had a similar sleep pattern with our son around the same age. Took a month or two of me sleeping with him when he woke during the night (wife was pregnant so needed the sleep!). When we moved him into his own bed it stopped. Definitely a phase but its very tiring at the time.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    He woke again last night and same thing, crying and would not lie back down. I tried just hugging him by his cot while he stood to sooth him and hoped he would lie back down, but it only seemed to make him more upset. Then he refused to lie down and was hysterical. I tried sitting with him in his room for a while to see what was wrong and he kept saying he didn't like his cot. He ended up sleeping in the spare room with my husband as I am exhausted from it every night. He slept great after that and didn't wake until after 8am!
    I kept trying to assure him his bed is lovely etc, and that we all have to sleep in our own beds. He just wouldn't calm down and it took quite a while for him to calm and fall asleep again. He's our only child, so this is still all learning and trying to figure out what's going on.
    We can take the side of the cot off and its a cot bed then, but I just don't know if that will work.
    Unfortunately we can't really afford to go buying a new bed just at the moment. So the cot bed is going to have to be it for a little while longer. The other option is to put him in the spare room double bed. Not sure what to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭catrionanic


    The big thing that jumped out to me in your OP is that you are trying to cut his naps, and sometimes he is so tired that he falls asleep. It sounds like he still needs a good sleep in the day (which is normal enough at that age). If he's not napping well enough, he will be overtired and his cortisol levels will be too high, causing him to wake in the night.

    I would go back to basics and reinstate whatever your usual nap routine had been before now. He might fight the nap a bit at first and that's normal enough. But keep at it for a week or two and see if it has any effect on the wakeups. If it has made no difference, then you could think about taking the bigger steps of changing his bed etc.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    The big thing that jumped out to me in your OP is that you are trying to cut his naps, and sometimes he is so tired that he falls asleep. It sounds like he still needs a good sleep in the day (which is normal enough at that age). If he's not napping well enough, he will be overtired and his cortisol levels will be too high, causing him to wake in the night.

    I would go back to basics and reinstate whatever your usual nap routine had been before now. He might fight the nap a bit at first and that's normal enough. But keep at it for a week or two and see if it has any effect on the wakeups. If it has made no difference, then you could think about taking the bigger steps of changing his bed etc.

    We’re not quite trying to cut his naps, I just tend to not insist he takes them if he doesn’t seem tired. He does have a nap most days but I do see a pattern of them dropping the odd day every week. I will try not to insist on no nap for a while longer though.

    I do find though if he sleeps longer than an hour in the day it just messes up his bedtime routine and we can’t get him to bed before 8. I had to ask the crèche to not let him sleep for 2 hours anymore due to the this, so now it’s no longer than an hour and half nap and I try my best not to let it go past 4pm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Cot is like a prison my 12mt old is already trying to jump it...little bed he likes and stairgate on the door. Open the stairgate when your going to bed just incase he needs you or there's an emergency during the night but he'll be fast asleep at that stage. If he thinks the gate is locked behind the door he won't even bother going to check after a few nights.
    You'll feel like a horrible parent for a few nights but it'll only be 3/4 nights.
    There's no easy way to do it.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Unfortunately it's true.There's no easy way to do it.And something like a move to a big bed won't necessarily fix the problem straight away.He has developed a habit of waking so the habit has to be broken (assuming you want to), so it's just going to mean a few tough nights of sitting and telling him its sleep time, or going in and resettling him every ten mins.I used to resettle mine -leave him standing if he won't lie down, don't get hung up on that- and sit on the landing outside their door because I found they got angrier if I stayed in the room because I wouldn't take them out!!Or you can sit in a chair or something and just keep telling him it's sleep time...and sit it out (yes it is hell).Honestly you will probably find he cries for less and less time over a few nights, then it will stop.

    Re:naps, he is probably ok to be doing them every couple of days, I know my almost three year old started to drop hers about 2.5 too, but try to get them good and early in the day round 12:30/1, and wake him after 1hour/40mins, whatever you find works best.That gives him a good run into bedtime.We have similar problems with bedtime if she sleeps any length and especially late in the day.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    Tonight’s been a nightmare getting him just to go to bed. He’s screamed & cried as soon as I tried to put him to bed and managed to get out of his cot for the first time ever! I literally now have to lie down with him and hope I can put him down when he’s asleep. This is becoming like an episode of Supernanny that I used to watch in horror! I am at my wits end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,458 ✭✭✭scarepanda


    If he's figured out how to get out of the cot, you've probably nothing to loose taking the side off and making it into a cot bed. Now that he's figured out how to get out he'll only do it more and more often. Our girl is a climber and this is why we moved her out of the cot at 2yrs 3mths.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    No don't put him down asleep.If you get into this habit, it will just get longer and more involved with each day, and I am assuming you don't want that.You need to do his routine and put him in his bed...and keep putting him in his bed.For as long as it takes.If you lie down with him and then put him to bed asleep, and he wakes later....that's what he will expect to happen before he will go back to sleep again.

    He is at a difficult age too, which doesn't help, but once you are consistent with the message that it's time to go to sleep, then he will cut his losses pretty quickly and get back to his habit of going to sleep.You could, if you wanted to, get him a little nightlight or gro clock type thing or something, to aid in the process.But if you want him to keep to the habits you had before, you do need to hold firm and let him scream and cry.He. wants to do things his way, which is normal for his age but hold firm and he will figure it out pretty quickly .


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    scarepanda wrote: »
    If he's figured out how to get out of the cot, you've probably nothing to loose taking the side off and making it into a cot bed. Now that he's figured out how to get out he'll only do it more and more often. Our girl is a climber and this is why we moved her out of the cot at 2yrs 3mths.

    He more or less fell when he tried to climb, and seemed totally shocked so I'm not sure he will try that again in a hurry! He's quite a careful boy and rarely climbs up on things, thankfully! I do think the side will have to come down though, I don't want to hear a thud in the middle of the night!
    I had to lie with him until he fell asleep the first time, but he woke the second I put him in the cot. Then he flipped out!
    I lay down with him again the second time and tried again and thankfully he was in a deeper sleep so he has stayed in this time.

    Its not ideal, and I know he just expects me to lie with him now, but I just don't know what else to do. This is so out of character for him and I am at a loss as to how to deal with it.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    shesty wrote: »
    No don't put him down asleep.If you get into this habit, it will just get longer and more involved with each day, and I am assuming you don't want that.You need to do his routine and put him in his bed...and keep putting him in his bed.For as long as it takes.If you lie down with him and then put him to bed asleep, and he wakes later....that's what he will expect to happen before he will go back to sleep again.

    He is at a difficult age too, which doesn't help, but once you are consistent with the message that it's time to go to sleep, then he will cut his losses pretty quickly and get back to his habit of going to sleep.You could, if you wanted to, get him a little nightlight or gro clock type thing or something, to aid in the process.But if you want him to keep to the habits you had before, you do need to hold firm and let him scream and cry.He. wants to do things his way, which is normal for his age but hold firm and he will figure it out pretty quickly .

    I had to do it tonight as he was hysterical and fell out of the cot trying to climb it so I had to calm him down. I don't want to continue this way, but its very stressful. It doesn't help that my husband hates leaving him cry and it causes more problems as he just gives in more than I do.

    He has a nightlight in the room and I leave his door open with the light on in the landing. He just does not seem to want to listen to me or understand he has to sleep in his own bed.
    I feel like I am making a mess of it all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭brokensoul


    Ciarrai76 wrote: »
    He more or less fell when he tried to climb, and seemed totally shocked so I'm not sure he will try that again in a hurry! He's quite a careful boy and rarely climbs up on things, thankfully! I do think the side will have to come down though, I don't want to hear a thud in the middle of the night!
    I had to lie with him until he fell asleep the first time, but he woke the second I put him in the cot. Then he flipped out!
    I lay down with him again the second time and tried again and thankfully he was in a deeper sleep so he has stayed in this time.

    Its not ideal, and I know he just expects me to lie with him now, but I just don't know what else to do. This is so out of character for him and I am at a loss as to how to deal with it.

    I had a friend go through something similar and her solution (eventually!) was that she would go for a walk at her son's bedtime and her husband would put him to bed as the child associated mammy with bedtime and associated her with staying with him and all that.

    It was very hard to do, she used to cry for the whole hour walk some nights! It took about 2 weeks to break the habit and association for him and once that was done he slept fine.

    He is a teenager now and she can't get him out of bed :D:D


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    brokensoul wrote: »
    I had a friend go through something similar and her solution (eventually!) was that she would go for a walk at her son's bedtime and her husband would put him to bed as the child associated mammy with bedtime and associated her with staying with him and all that.

    It was very hard to do, she used to cry for the whole hour walk some nights! It took about 2 weeks to break the habit and association for him and once that was done he slept fine.

    He is a teenager now and she can't get him out of bed :D:D

    I do a fitness class two nights a week and I'm not back until after 8pm. You would expect he would go to bed while I'm gone, but my husband can't seem to get him down as he refuses until I'm home. He used to be fine, but as he's got a bit older, he just wants me to put him to bed, even if my husband gets him upstairs & brushes teeth & story, he always wants me to come up after so I never get away with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    That's a proud moment when he first gets out of the cot. Let's see him jump the stair gate next.
    Lights off in the landing and his room if he'll allow it, or get a hue light and dim it right down or turn it off when he's asleep. Don't be afraid to make noise, the door closing should signal it's sleep time if he hasn't already drifted off from a story, play or chat.
    There emotional creatures and he could be scared, lonely, what's it like with 3 in the bed can you all sleep happy enough.
    You need to try something different tomorrow night and stick to it for a few nights and you both need to be on board with it. Current situation can't continue for everyones sanity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭Anne_cordelia


    I’m going to go against the grain here and just say bring him into your bed if he wakes. You will be maximizing sleep and not wasting precious energy fighting with him. My kids were/are brought into our bed every night they wake. From about age 3, it wasn’t necessary anymore and they sleep through in their own beds and even if they wake, they don’t need a parent to lie with them to go back to sleep. He’s got something going on and needs some comfort at night. Save your energy and don’t fight it. It’s not forever. Get as much sleep as you can in the short term.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    That's a proud moment when he first gets out of the cot. Let's see him jump the stair gate next.
    Lights off in the landing and his room if he'll allow it, or get a hue light and dim it right down or turn it off when he's asleep. Don't be afraid to make noise, the door closing should signal it's sleep time if he hasn't already drifted off from a story, play or chat.
    There emotional creatures and he could be scared, lonely, what's it like with 3 in the bed can you all sleep happy enough.
    You need to try something different tomorrow night and stick to it for a few nights and you both need to be on board with it. Current situation can't continue for everyones sanity.

    Its too hard to sleep with all 2 of us, so one ends up on their own in the spare room for some sleep (usually husband if he's working next day). I sleep ok with him, but he tends to do a lot of kicking and taking up most of a king size bed! I don't want this habit anymore. The odd time when he was sick etc is ok, but he's just expecting it to happen the past 2 weeks now. Our normal routine which worked for a long time is just not working now.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    I’m going to go against the grain here and just say bring him into your bed if he wakes. You will be maximizing sleep and not wasting precious energy fighting with him. My kids were/are brought into our bed every night they wake. From about age 3, it wasn’t necessary anymore and they sleep through in their own beds and even if they wake, they don’t need a parent to lie with them to go back to sleep. He’s got something going on and needs some comfort at night. Save your energy and don’t fight it. It’s not forever. Get as much sleep as you can in the short term.

    Thanks. As much as I respect the other advise, and I know its what I should do, this seems to be the only thing that's calming him down at the moment. I do think he's anxious about something, but I'm not sure what. I did mention that he told us about a bad dream he had about my mom (his grandmother) a couple of weeks ago, and he has been very unsettled since then. We have tried to reassure him many times, but I think he's still quite upset about it. My mom was also a bit ill last month and I think it seemed to get him a bit scared.
    I think he may need a little more reassurance that she's ok, eventhough he knows she is. He is due to stay with her in a couple of weeks for 2 nights, and I am now worried he might act the same way with her.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    He seems to sleep ok in creche and I've just remembered they have moved him out of a cot in there, which I didn't realise until recently as they didn't tell us! I was sort of taken aback as I would have expected they would have mentioned it. I asked as I saw something on their social media about them selling cots, and saw photos of little sort of camper beds. He sleeps on this little bed, which is very low on the ground so they can't fall. They said he naps there no problem. I am now wondering if that's half the reason he doesn't want to sleep in his cot. Maybe he actually likes the bed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭Anne_cordelia


    Ciarrai76 wrote: »
    Thanks. As much as I respect the other advise, and I know its what I should do, this seems to be the only thing that's calming him down at the moment. I do think he's anxious about something, but I'm not sure what. I did mention that he told us about a bad dream he had about my mom (his grandmother) a couple of weeks ago, and he has been very unsettled since then. We have tried to reassure him many times, but I think he's still quite upset about it. My mom was also a bit ill last month and I think it seemed to get him a bit scared.
    I think he may need a little more reassurance that she's ok, eventhough he knows she is. He is due to stay with her in a couple of weeks for 2 nights, and I am now worried he might act the same way with her.

    As they get more verbal, you realise the little things they pick up on and can worry them. There is a lot going on in those wee heads. Don’t worry about what will happen in a couple of weeks time. Hopefully the phase will pass as quick as it started. Although my older ones still bedshare with nana on sleepovers even though they sleep in their own rooms at home!

    Is he verbal? My oldest demanded a bed at 22 months and there was no going back. Ask him if he would like to turn it into a bed. 2.5 isn’t too young.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    As they get more verbal, you realise the little things they pick up on and can worry them. There is a lot going on in those wee heads. Don’t worry about what will happen in a couple of weeks time. Hopefully the phase will pass as quick as it started. Although my older ones still bedshare with nana on sleepovers even though they sleep in their own rooms at home!

    Is he verbal? My oldest demanded a bed at 22 months and there was no going back. Ask him if he would like to turn it into a bed. 2.5 isn’t too young.

    Yes he's very verbal and has a good understanding. I will definitely talk to him about it tomorrow and see if he would like to make it into a bed. We will buy him a proper bed when he settles into the cot bed. I think the fact he's started sleeping in a little bed in creche, it might help with him sleeping in his own bed. Fingers crossed!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Ask him. Show him some pictures of different kids beds.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    He could like a bed Ciarrai!!Don't be so hard on yourself, honestly, you aren't doing a thing wrong.He is at a delightful (very sarcastic!!) age and they love to say black if you say white :-) Mine definitely liked their beds once they got a go of them once or twice, they liked getting cosy in them.Didn't stop them waking at night mind you, but still!Lie down with him but start bringing something in-his teddy or whatever and you could try the approach of lying with him for a couple of nights and then say "I will come and lie down with you in one minute, I just want to put the toothbrushes away" or something like that....and see will he lie there for a minute or two without you, and try to stretch that time each night??We got a bed tent for ours too, from Ikea, it just goes at the head of the bed, and tilts forward over the pillow.Our four year old is very imaginative and worries a lot, and she was afraid when waking at night, but she likes this because it gives her a little hiding place.He is small but maybe he might like something that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭Bingwhoosh


    My only advice Ciarrai is do what works for you as a family. My little fella is the same age and he appears in our room most nights anytime between 1 and 4, into bed he hops, has a drink, holds my hand and off to sleep he goes. I let this happen as he was in hospital twice in 2 weeks very sick and when he got home I would have done anything for him so I just let it go, ok my sleep is broken every night but I couldn't handle the screaming fit in the middle of the night and I don't want it to wake his older sister either.
    My attitude is it won't be forever, every month he is staying in his own room that bit more and anyway who can resist them sleepy cuddles!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    Last night didn't go well at all. He barely slept for 2 hours in his cot before waking again and just would not lie back down. So back into my bed. I had no energy to deal with it and needed to sleep. He slept well all night, although woke around 6.30am...despite being late going to sleep!

    So this evening after work, my husband took down the side panel of his cot, and it is now a toddler bed! I spoke to my little boy about it all day, asking if he wanted a bed and would he sleep in it! He seemed very positive about it.

    So we showed him the bed, and he needed a bit of coaxing into it, but it didn't take too long and he seemed quite happy about it. I sat next to him to read him a couple of stories and he was quite relaxed. We spoke about telling his friends in creche about his new bed and telling his teachers. I went to turn off the light and he totally panicked, so I had to turn it on and sort of lie with him for a bit longer and he fell asleep. Its a small bed, so it wasn't easy to lie with him, but at least its in his own bed and he was a lot better.

    We had to put pillows on the floor as we thought the cot had a side panel to stop him rolling out, but it just seemed to be a panel that replaced the bars! We will get a new safety panel tomorrow just to be on the safe side!

    So far so good he's stayed asleep, but I am not sure how it will go for the rest of the night! Its a good start though :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey




    I got our second chap this straight after he came out of the cot, loves it and they can't fall off it even when you eventually put a full size mattress in later but they can still easily get in and out, the older guy has something similar but it doesn't have the tracks or spoiler shelf so it's not really a fun toy like the hotwheels one. He doesn't mind going to his room at night or even during the day to play.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76




    I got our second chap this straight after he came out of the cot, loves it and they can't fall off it even when you eventually put a full size mattress in later but they can still easily get in and out, the older guy has something similar but it doesn't have the tracks or spoiler shelf so it's not really a fun toy like the hotwheels one. He doesn't mind going to his room at night or even during the day to play.

    We will have to move him out of the room he's in when we get a new bed as he's in the smallest room (box room), which up until now has been fine as it only needed a cot and changing table, but it barely fits a single bed, so not much more room for anything else. We have 2 other spare rooms, one has a double bed for guests (or husband when he snores so much I can't put up with him! lol) and the other spare room is a dumping ground at the moment! So we have a big clear out to do and a bit of decorating. I hadn't planned on him moving into a bed just yet, so we will need to get thinking about what to do!
    If we decide to have another baby, then the move would have had to happen anyway!

    I looked at the monitor a while ago to see no one in the bed! I didn't hear any thud or bang, just a bit of whimpering, so I ran up and he had got out himself. He seemed disorientated, so I hugged him I put him back in and he went straight back to sleep. This is a good start, so fingers crossed this is a success!

    Where did you get that bed by the way??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Got it from https://www.activitytoysdirect.com, it was £515 (€600) delivered and included the mattress you need starting off.
    If he's 2.5 I don't know what your hanging around for, brother or sister will keep him entertained, I think 2 is easier than one.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    Got it from https://www.activitytoysdirect.com, it was £515 (€600) delivered and included the mattress you need starting off.
    If he's 2.5 I don't know what your hanging around for, brother or sister will keep him entertained, I think 2 is easier than one.

    I have fertility issues so not an easy process for me unfortunately! We don’t know if we can afford to do fertility treatment again either.
    Glad to enjoy the time with him on his own for now. If we don’t have another then I am just blessed with him.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    Last night went a lot better than I expected! He stayed in bed all night and I only had to check on him twice. One time I thought we were going to have an issue as he has woken thatvway all the other times, I lay him back down and he went back to sleep! He slept until after 8am! I can’t believe how well it went. I hope it keeps going well now but it was a great start! We all got a good sleep!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    There was some crowd doing no baby no fee advertising the other day...t's and c's have a limit of 40 though..


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    You needed that sleep Ciarrai!Give him a big well done for staying in his own bed all night.Try to stick with it, it's a long weekend this weekend, so at least if your nights are disturbed you have some time to recover in the days.Good timing for the change.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    shesty wrote: »
    You needed that sleep Ciarrai!Give him a big well done for staying in his own bed all night.Try to stick with it, it's a long weekend this weekend, so at least if your nights are disturbed you have some time to recover in the days.Good timing for the change.


    I think I got the least amount of sleep as I was concious of him staying in the bed and especially not falling out! I kept waking and checking he was ok! Hopefully he will be ok from now on and I can relax a bit.


    He was all excited to tell everyone in creche about his new bed! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭ax530


    If you take the side off cot he could just walk into you when wake up. My son (middle child) almost 5 was a bad sleeper, even now he comes into my bed some nights but at this stage don't notice.
    Only way we got him to stay in bed all night initially age 2ish was bribery. If you stay in your own bed tonight can watch Peppa morning once they get used to it don't ask for Peppa!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    ax530 wrote: »
    If you take the side off cot he could just walk into you when wake up. My son (middle child) almost 5 was a bad sleeper, even now he comes into my bed some nights but at this stage don't notice.
    Only way we got him to stay in bed all night initially age 2ish was bribery. If you stay in your own bed tonight can watch Peppa morning once they get used to it don't ask for Peppa!


    Side came off last night and he stayed in all night. I'd rather that than him climbing out and falling like he did the other night. He seems a lot happier now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭anndub


    I've had the same issue with my almost 22 month old for the last week. Would I be mad to put her in a bed at her age?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Could be.2.5 seems the optimum age to move to a bed because they begin to understand the concept of staying in it then.22 months, they haven't a clue!!!That being said there is no hard and fast rule.But their sleep does go a bit off around the age of two, so it could be just a phase.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    3 nights in and it’s still going well, bar one slight hiccup on Thursday night/Friday morning when he woke at 5.30am and wanted to come into my bed, but at least he had slept most of night. He slept all last night, although I did check on him a couple of times. He does want me to lie with him when we finish stories, which is hard as the bed is too small for me to lie on! But at least he is staying in bed!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    There was some crowd doing no baby no fee advertising the other day...t's and c's have a limit of 40 though..

    [MOD]

    What are you on about?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    [MOD]

    What are you on about?


    A fertility clinic are advertising a no baby no fee. Not sure which clinic, but It sounds like an ad for a personal claims solicitor!
    I had mentioned my fertility issues in a previous post when someone mentioned I should be looking to have another baby....:rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ciarrai76


    The sleeping in his bed seems to be going ok, sort of. He is still waking late at night with little nightmares and ends up in bed with me again. He wakes at a similar time each night, around 2am and refuses to lie back down and is distressed.
    He stayed with my parents this weekend and still woke late at night and ended up sleeping with my mom. Breaking that cycle seems to be a struggle. But at the same time, it’s not the end of the world and it won’t be forever. It’s nice to have his little snuggles. My only concern really is the bad dreams he’s having. I know their brains are very active and he has a great imagination already, which can cause the bad dreams. It’s just hard as I hate to see him scared and upset. Hope they settle down soon.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    It does become a thing as they head towards three.Just last night my four year old was telling me about a dream she had where she was falling off a mountain and she woke up scared.We get her that bed tent to help, but it does still happen.I know there are different things to help them as they bigger too, like that worry plaque thing from the Fairy Door company, but he is probably a bit small for that yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,691 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Our soon to be 5yr old still jumps into the bed in the middle of the night so I wouldn't get your hope up unless you want to go the tough love route, I bought some deep sleep spray for my pillow being using it the last 2 nights, I've slept like a Baby.


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