Them Lads is too Cool!?

Sam Quentin

Where did it all go wrong,. when did them lads become too cool for school!?
Not to long ago if the Ireland rugby team won a match they'd be really happy bordering on ecstatic during post match interviews...
But nowadays when they win,. it's as if they did something wrong,they seemingly even apologise if another team dare score against them.
Like dear gawwwwd lads cheer up.

Good for them, keep the expectations high and cut out complacency. None of this 'brave effort' inferiority complex.

Uncharted

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Where did it all go wrong,. when did them lads become too cool for school!?
Not to long ago if the Ireland rugby team won a match they'd be really happy bordering on ecstatic during post match interviews...
But nowadays when they win,. it's as if they did something wrong,they seemingly even apologise if another team dare score against them.
Like dear gawwwwd lads cheer up.

?????

It would be very weird if the 2nd rated team in the world,consisting of paid professional adults, were doing cartwheels and shedding prom queen tears each time they won a game.

Deebles McBeebles

Deleted User wrote: »

Good for them, keep the expectations high and cut out complacency. None of this 'brave effort' inferiority complex.

This has been the scourge of the football team for too long. All this incredible effort, hearts of lions, always give it everything, BS.

Sam Quentin

Uncharted wrote: »

?????

It would be very weird if the 2nd rated team in the world,consisting of paid professional adults, were doing cartwheels and shedding prom queen tears each time they won a game.

Ok ok don't over complicate things jeeeeez

Deebles McBeebles

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

This has been the scourge of the football team for too long. All this incredible effort, hearts of lions, always give it everything, BS.

Like calling it a "moral victory" after slugging over a 0-0 draw with the likes of Algeria

WesternZulu

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

This has been the scourge of the football team for too long. All this incredible effort, hearts of lions, always give it everything, BS.

I think this more so applies to the rugby team. They can't do any wrong. If they lose a game they're still depicted as fierce warriors!

The football team in contrast are usually typecast as useless regardless.

smartyfarts

rory best is not my captain. he's too busy saluting the queen and humming GSTQ. his behaviour in last year's trial as well was abhorrent. don't bother trying to convince me he is some hero. I honestly hope Ireland get destroyed in the world cup. they're so up their own bums its hilarious.

bucketybuck

I once got slated for finding it worrying that Ian Madigan was crying after beating France in a damn group game, apparently I was an arsehole for thinking that such a display was evidence of a weak mentality, that a real winner would have his mind on the next game instead of celebrating just getting out of the group. Ireland got dumped out by Argentina in the next game.

I think the same about any fans celebrating just getting to a world cup or euros. A great bunch of lads just happy to be there, sure isn't it great craic begorra :rolleyes:. A load of bollocks. If you go to a tournament just happy to be there then you will never win **** all. All that best fans in the world crap is just patronising rubbish, a novelty prize given to the children in the room.

Ireland loves patting itself on the back and that mentality has been holding it back for a long time. Maybe being serious, and ruthless, is no craic, but I'd rather be a winner than be the life and soul of the party.

Feisar

smartyfarts wrote: »

rory best is not my captain. he's too busy saluting the queen and humming GSTQ. his behaviour in last year's trial as well was abhorrent. don't bother trying to convince me he is some hero. I honestly hope Ireland get destroyed in the world cup. they're so up their own bums its hilarious.

I thought he was at the trial as he had been called as a character witness?

Also had to laugh at the #notmycaptain nonsense. Unless one plays international rugby for Ireland then no he's not your captain.

Woke Hogan

bucketybuck wrote: »

I once got slated for finding it worrying that Ian Madigan was crying after beating France in a damn group game, apparently I was an arsehole for thinking that such a display was evidence of a weak mentality, that a real winner would have his mind on the next game instead of celebrating just getting out of the group. Ireland got dumped out by Argentina in the next game.

I think the same about any fans celebrating just getting to a world cup or euros. A great bunch of lads just happy to be there, sure isn't it great craic begorra :rolleyes:. A load of bollocks. If you go to a tournament just happy to be there then you will never win **** all. All that best fans in the world crap is just patronising rubbish, a novelty prize given to the children in the room.

Ireland loves patting itself on the back and that mentality has been holding it back for a long time. Maybe being serious, and ruthless, is no craic, but I'd rather be a winner than be the life and soul of the party.

What have you ever won, as a matter of interest? What makes you the big winner?

bucketybuck

Woke Hogan wrote: »

What have you ever won, as a matter of interest? What makes you the big winner?

What makes that question even slightly relevant to, well, anything? Who gives a **** what I won or did not win.

smartyfarts

Feisar wrote: »

I thought he was at the trial as he had been called as a character witness?

Also had to laugh at the #notmycaptain nonsense. Unless one plays international rugby for Ireland then no he's not your captain.

He's not really irish also he showed up on the days he wasn't a witness "to get perspective from both sides" aka intimidate the complainant

Woke Hogan

bucketybuck wrote: »

What makes that question even slightly relevant to, well, anything? Who gives a **** what I won or did not win.

I give a ****, that's why I asked.

It's easy for the typical Irish sports fan to lean back and spout rubbish about "mentality" and "winning" when they themselves can only just about muster enough energy to stand up to throw another pizza in the oven. That or prevent the formation of a permanently adhesive seal of their own viscous filth between themselves and the stained reclining chair they've been rotting in since they left school.

But your tone suggests you're an authority on the matter so I'd like to know what you have won. What have you won? Big man.

Sam Quentin

bucketybuck wrote: »

I once got slated for finding it worrying that Ian Madigan was crying after beating France in a damn group game, apparently I was an arsehole for thinking that such a display was evidence of a weak mentality, that a real winner would have his mind on the next game instead of celebrating just getting out of the group. Ireland got dumped out by Argentina in the next game.

I think the same about any fans celebrating just getting to a world cup or euros. A great bunch of lads just happy to be there, sure isn't it great craic begorra :rolleyes:. A load of bollocks. If you go to a tournament just happy to be there then you will never win **** all. All that best fans in the world crap is just patronising rubbish, a novelty prize given to the children in the room.

Ireland loves patting itself on the back and that mentality has been holding it back for a long time. Maybe being serious, and ruthless, is no craic, but I'd rather be a winner than be the life and soul of the party.

Best most sensible explanation for what comes across sometimes as being non appreciative of a good decent win.

The Pheasant2

smartyfarts wrote: »

rory best is not my captain. he's too busy saluting the queen and humming GSTQ. his behaviour in last year's trial as well was abhorrent. don't bother trying to convince me he is some hero. I honestly hope Ireland get destroyed in the world cup. they're so up their own bums its hilarious.

2/10

Must try harder.

smartyfarts

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

2/10

Must try harder.

its my own genuine feeling tbh

cajonlardo

Irish people who follow sport but don't partake in sport, just don't get it

Compared to the volume of participants that England or France or many other countries can select from, and we are TINY. Compared to the investment in sport or the coaching resources and experience, or the facilities, we are in the hapenny place

Any of our internationals who make it onto the world stage have already overcome huge challenges.

To go on and win is therefore arguably a bigger achievement.

I've never won anything worth talking about. But I've been left in the the dust by champions - I've no illusions about what goes on.
Unless you've been on the field, in the ring or race, it's difficult to understand what is going on.

bucketybuck

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I give a ****, that's why I asked.

It's easy for the typical Irish sports fan to lean back and spout rubbish about "mentality" and "winning" when they themselves can only just about muster enough energy to stand up to throw another pizza in the oven. That or prevent the formation of a permanently adhesive seal of their own viscous filth between themselves and the stained reclining chair they've been rotting in since they left school.

But your tone suggests you're an authority on the matter so I'd like to know what you have won. What have you won? Big man.

Typical response from Irish fan who doesn't like reality being pointed out to them, so gets all huffy and defensive before pulling out the classic, "Well whatabout you...".

I could list plenty of examples from my own life where I achieved personal goals, and then where I went further and achieved more again. But I wouldn't be stupid enough to do that for some little man on the internet who would never accept any answer that I gave anyway, and who would never have the cop on to realise that such whataboutery is irrelevant to start with.

Omackeral

Too Cool eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DTuUvIytoY

Red_Wake

cajonlardo wrote: »

Irish people who follow sport but don't partake in sport, just don't get it

Compared to the volume of participants that England or France or many other countries can select from, and we are TINY. Compared to the investment in sport or the coaching resources and experience, or the facilities, we are in the hapenny place

Any of our internationals who make it onto the world stage have already overcome huge challenges.

To go on and win is therefore arguably a bigger achievement.

I've never won anything worth talking about. But I've been left in the the dust by champions - I've no illusions about what goes on.
Unless you've been on the field, in the ring or race, it's difficult to understand what is going on.

France and England have less rugby players per capita then Ireland.

Don't let facts stop your backslapping though, it's another 6 months before Irish Rugby gets its bollocks ripped off in the RWC.

bucketybuck

cajonlardo wrote: »

Irish people who follow sport but don't partake in sport, just don't get it

Compared to the volume of participants that England or France or many other countries can select from, and we are TINY. Compared to the investment in sport or the coaching resources and experience, or the facilities, we are in the hapenny place

Any of our internationals who make it onto the world stage have already overcome huge challenges.

To go on and win is therefore arguably a bigger achievement.

Its like the opposite of small man syndrome. Instead of, "I'm small but I'll beat you anyway", we get "We're small, nothing we can do about it".

I'm delighted to see Rugby players stop celebrating the meaningless victories. They are good enough to win that world cup and they should have the arrogance to believe that to their core.

The Pheasant2

smartyfarts wrote: »

its my own genuine feeling tbh

Fair enough. I don't believe you're being genuine is my genuine feeling.

smartyfarts

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Fair enough. I don't believe you're being genuine is my genuine feeling.

I thank you for your genuine feeling and disagree that I am not being genuine. I just find the irish rugby team and rugby as a whole to be just annoying. I find it a nothing sport. played by less than 12 good teams in the world. and the irish players are lauded here by wealthy upper class as some sort of messiahs. despite the fact they get up to stuff just as naughty as ryan giggs etc

Woke Hogan

It's much easier to show a "winning mentality" if you're an international player for a sport played by only a dozen or so countries at the highest level.

Virtually every player in the top five European soccer leagues (first or second tier) would have had to face stiffer competition than any top level rugby player. It's just simple mathematics, there are multitudes more soccer players around the world competing for places in the best teams than in rugby.


You get the usual big man bandwagon jumpers who claim otherwise but they're the types who get confused by "which is heavier, a tonne of feathers or a tonne of bricks" trick questions.

The Pheasant2

Woke Hogan wrote: »

It's much easier to show a "winning mentality" if you're an international player for a sport played by only a dozen or so countries at the highest level.

How many different countries have ever won the soccer world cup?

Of course it's more widely played so the chances of the odd upset are increased, but really it's the same dozen or so countries dominating international football in general too.

tritium

smartyfarts wrote: »

rory best is not my captain. he's too busy saluting the queen and humming GSTQ. his behaviour in last year's trial as well was abhorrent. don't bother trying to convince me he is some hero. I honestly hope Ireland get destroyed in the world cup. they're so up their own bums its hilarious.

Not nearly as abhorrent as condemning him for appearing as a character witness for people who were later acquitted (and they were acquitted, regardless of what you may think of other aspects of their behaviour). I suppose he’d be more admirable if he’d thrown them under a bus to ensure the “right” verdict.

Btw given the history of this island he’s more than entitled to be part of the unionist tradition. What exactly do you propose we do about the unionists if a United iteland ever happens?

Woke Hogan

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

How many different countries have ever won the soccer world cup?

Of course it's more widely played so the chances of the odd upset are increased, but really it's the same dozen or so countries dominating international football in general too.

Well let me ask you this then. Which is more impressive? Croatia reaching the 2018 soccer World Cup final or Ireland winning the rugby World Cup.

mynamejeff

WesternZulu wrote: »

I think this more so applies to the rugby team. They can't do any wrong. If they lose a game they're still depicted as fierce warriors!

The football team in contrast are usually typecast as useless regardless.

theres no comparison really is there ?

2 best team in the world verses number 34 ?

sure more people world wide play football but its still quite a achievement

AlmightyCushion

WesternZulu wrote: »

I think this more so applies to the rugby team. They can't do any wrong. If they lose a game they're still depicted as fierce warriors!

The football team in contrast are usually typecast as useless regardless.

Eh, not really. We lost to England a few weeks ago and most people rightly criticised the performance of the Irish team. I'd love to see the football team do and play better. The last while we've been playing shíte and made teams who are much worse than us on paper look a lot better. Hopefully, that changes.

Arne_Saknussem

bucketybuck wrote: »

I once got slated for finding it worrying that Ian Madigan was crying after beating France in a damn group game, apparently I was an arsehole for thinking that such a display was evidence of a weak mentality, that a real winner would have his mind on the next game instead of celebrating just getting out of the group. Ireland got dumped out by Argentina in the next game.

I think the same about any fans celebrating just getting to a world cup or euros. A great bunch of lads just happy to be there, sure isn't it great craic begorra :rolleyes:. A load of bollocks. If you go to a tournament just happy to be there then you will never win **** all. All that best fans in the world crap is just patronising rubbish, a novelty prize given to the children in the room.

Ireland loves patting itself on the back and that mentality has been holding it back for a long time. Maybe being serious, and ruthless, is no craic, but I'd rather be a winner than be the life and soul of the party.

Always easy to spot the boys who've read Roys autobiography

bucketybuck

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

Always easy to spot the boys who've read Roys autobiography

I've never read it no, but if you are talking about Roy Keane I would happily say I am a fan. He isn't however anything unique, there are lots of personalities like him in winning teams all over the world.

Arne_Saknussem

bucketybuck wrote: »

I've never read it no, but if you are talking about Roy Keane I would happily say I am a fan. He isn't however anything unique, there are lots of personalities like him in winning teams all over the world.

You're a very impressive individual, especially opposed to all the other idiots and their 'bollox'.

friendlyfun

This thread is full of absolute bollocks from a bunch of jealous whingers.

Red_Wake

Ireland beating the reigning world champions in a competitive match is the finest sporting achievement of any team on this island.

Joachim Loew giving out about us playing long ball tactics afterwards made it even sweeter.

cajonlardo

Red_Wake wrote: »

cajonlardo wrote: »

Irish people who follow sport but don't partake in sport, just don't get it

Compared to the volume of participants that England or France or many other countries can select from, and we are TINY. Compared to the investment in sport or the coaching resources and experience, or the facilities, we are in the hapenny place

Any of our internationals who make it onto the world stage have already overcome huge challenges.

To go on and win is therefore arguably a bigger achievement.

I've never won anything worth talking about. But I've been left in the the dust by champions - I've no illusions about what goes on.
Unless you've been on the field, in the ring or race, it's difficult to understand what is going on.

France and England have less rugby players per capita then Ireland.

Don't let facts stop your backslapping though, it's another 6 months before Irish Rugby gets its bollocks ripped off in the RWC.

I don't follow rugby so I will accept your word on that.
How does that relate to the amount of players Ireland could chose from related to England or France?
I'm guessing they both still have a bigger pool?