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Ireland v France

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    lawred2 wrote: »
    quite the antagonist aren't you!?

    do you get any joy out of Irish rugby?

    The winning the grand slam last year yeah. I don't see winning test matches as anything special though. Winning a series down under or whatever doesn't do much for me. Only thing that matters is 6 Nations and World Cup and Joe has delivered one grand slam and a world cup quarter so far, the same as Kidney. Winning a championship while losing a game isn't that big an achievement.



    Can't say I like the style at all. Everything is scripted. If BOD was around today he'd be suffocated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    The winning the grand slam last year yeah. I don't see winning test matches as anything special though. Winning a series down under or whatever doesn't do much for me. Only thing that matters is 6 Nations and World Cup and Joe has delivered one grand slam and a world cup quarter so far, the same as Kidney. Winning a championship while losing a game isn't that big an achievement.



    Can't say I like the style at all. Everything is scripted. If BOD was around today he'd be suffocated.

    Joe has delivered 3 x 6n titles. One was a slam.

    Winning the 6n is a big achievement. Slam is extra special


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,664 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    The winning the grand slam last year yeah. I don't see winning test matches as anything special though. Winning a series down under or whatever doesn't do much for me. Only thing that matters is 6 Nations and World Cup and Joe has delivered one grand slam and a world cup quarter so far, the same as Kidney. Winning a championship while losing a game isn't that big an achievement.



    Can't say I like the style at all. Everything is scripted. If BOD was around today he'd be suffocated.

    does not compute.. pretty much a direct contradiction


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Anyone else feel that whenever Bastareaud plays it removes any threat in the centre?
    I would prefer if they selected the likes of 12. Fofana, 13. Fickou. Perhaps Fofana is injured?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    It took Wales 70 minutes to get on top of this side, we did it after 5 mins.

    Last year France beat England at home and were a Sexton top class drop goal from beating ourselves

    They were annihilated by England and ourselves this year away

    They're a completely different side home vs away.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Joe has delivered 3 x 6n titles. One was a slam.

    Winning the 6n is a big achievement. Slam is extra special

    2 of them won on points difference in a 5 game tournament where 3 teams (Italy, Scotland and France) are really bad.

    Wales, England and Ireland. If any team wins the other 2 games they are 90% going to get the slam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    2 of them won on points difference in a 5 game tournament where 3 teams (Italy, Scotland and France) are really bad.

    Wales, England and Ireland. If any team wins the other 2 games they are 90% going to get the slam.

    Losing away to England one year and Wales the next and winning both titles is a big achievement.

    Like they are incredibly tough places to go to and win


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    lawred2 wrote: »
    does not compute.. pretty much a direct contradiction

    How???

    I still like winning the 6 nations. It's a trophy. I don't see winning it on points difference a massive achievement though. If it was a 10 game tournament sure, losing one game is a good achievment. Losing one of 5 when you play Scotland, France and Italy really isn't that great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Losing away to England one year and Wales the next and winning both titles is a big achievement.

    Like they are incredibly tough places to go to and win

    The titles are essentially won by how much you pump the Italians. Just like this year if it went down to points with England...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    How???

    I still like winning the 6 nations. It's a trophy. I don't see winning it on points difference a massive achievement though. If it was a 10 game tournament sure, losing one game is a good achievment. Losing one of 5 when you play Scotland, France and Italy really isn't that great.

    10 games. 2 defeats away to England and Wales. 2 trophies.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    The titles are essentially won by how much you pump the Italians. Just like this year if it went down to points with England...

    Not true.

    Wales stuck 61 on Italy in 2015 and didn't win it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,664 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    How???

    I still like winning the 6 nations. It's a trophy. I don't see winning it on points difference a massive achievement though. If it was a 10 game tournament sure, losing one game is a good achievment. Losing one of 5 when you play Scotland, France and Italy really isn't that great.

    You state
    Only thing that matters is 6 Nations and World Cup

    and then state
    Winning a championship while losing a game isn't that big an achievement.

    so which is it?

    If the 6 nations is one of the only things that matter then how is winning it not an achievement!?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    Wasn't it up until around the 80s where winning the championship wasn't a big deal at all. PD wasn't even taken into account, they just shared out teh championship

    Triple Crown and Slam were the big ones


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    It was good to see the intensity back and the players knew they needed a big performance. The only worry was with so much pressure we should really have had more points on the board by half time.

    Yes we had a few tries rightly ruled out by the TMO and technically Best´s try should have been disallowed too

    Wales are totally different kettle of fish, they will defend for their lives and will pose a more attacking threat but I think we are a better side than them when on top form


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    lawred2 wrote: »
    You state



    and then state



    so which is it?

    If the 6 nations is one of the only things that matter then how is winning it not an achievement!?

    I said I only care about the 6 nations and world cup. Just because winning a 6N while losing a game isn't that great an achievement, doesn't mean I want us to lose games.


  • Subscribers Posts: 42,463 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    kilns wrote: »
    Yes we had a few tries rightly ruled out by the TMO and technically Best´s try should have been disallowed too

    First I've heard of this one.... What is being claimed? Knee on the ground?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    First I've heard of this one.... What is being claimed? Knee on the ground?

    technically yes, his knee was on the ground and was tackled. Harsh but technically could have been ruled out if went upstairs


  • Subscribers Posts: 42,463 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Hard to claim the tackle was completed and he'd have to release


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,664 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    kilns wrote: »
    technically yes, his knee was on the ground and was tackled. Harsh but technically could have been ruled out if went upstairs

    saw that at the time myself in the replay


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭troyzer


    He didn't release the tackle, it wasn't double movement.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Wheres Me Jumper?


    You couldn't get anyone to notice you on the other thread so you have decided to jump up and down here? :rolleyes:

    Sorry, I ignored you on the other thread and will do it on this too.

    no problem at all frankie.
    if i got so many WRONG i would want to ignore it too.
    how many is that now? 5 by my count. if fact every game you predicted you seem to have gotten WRONG.
    if i were you i would be staying well clear of Paddy Power.

    oh and btw judging by (the lack of) response to your input on this and other threads, i think it's you who is being ignored. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,773 ✭✭✭connemara man


    Wheres me Jumper & FrancieBrady

    Take this discussion to PM and stop disrupting multiple threads!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Quite sad to see such an inept and compliant French team roll over like that.

    I fear next weekend in Cardiff will be a graveyard with Wales romping home by at least 10 pts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Quite sad to see such an inept and compliant French team roll over like that.

    I fear next weekend in Cardiff will be a graveyard with Wales romping home by at least 10 pts.

    I don't think they rolled over at all. They defended really well. They just never had the ball.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,397 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Quite sad to see such an inept and compliant French team roll over like that.

    I fear next weekend in Cardiff will be a graveyard with Wales romping home by at least 10 pts.
    Roll over?
    You can't really do much except tackle and defend without the ball.

    The reason for this lack of ball, any ideas?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    After watching the incident again, I still think Earls was extremely lucky to not be yellow carded at the very start of the game.

    Ireland had penalty advantage, Jonny put a kick out wide, and Earls tackled the man in the air. Clear yellow card, but somehow because it was Ireland's advantage, it is completely ignored.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Basil3 wrote: »
    After watching the incident again, I still think Earls was extremely lucky to not be yellow carded at the very start of the game.

    Ireland had penalty advantage, Jonny put a kick out wide, and Earls tackled the man in the air. Clear yellow card, but somehow because it was Ireland's advantage, it is completely ignored.

    I don't know if it was a yellow, it wasn't anyway dangerous, but definitely a tackle in the air and a penalty offence.

    So I agree, I would have thought that a penalty offence for foul play (tackle in the air) would overrule an advantage for a technical infringement (side entry to a maul).

    Probably the fact that Ramos still made the catch saved us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭mangobob


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Capitals are used to indicate you are shouting, are you aware of that?

    I guess I need to brush up on my netiquette. I was under the impression that putting whole sentences or blocks of text in caps indicated shouting whereas doing so for a single word was equivalent to bolding for emphasis. Apologies if thats not the case, I certainly didn't intend to shout or hector you. I just capped those words to indicate that imo we didn't hammer them on the scoreboard but we really should have, given how much we dominated them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,334 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Gonna wade in with a few thoughts:

    1. Result was good (but flattered France in the end) but more importantly imo, the performance was much improved. In particular, Ryan, Henderson and Stander stood out to me from the forwards, while I thought Ringrose was the best of the backs.

    2. Defensively, I felt our line speed and intent was vastly improved. Ryan's and Ringrose's tackles (on Dupont and possibly Ramos?) both over the try line are prime examples.

    3. Our lineout, maul and scrum all functioned really well. For me, our superiority in the set piece illustrates the obvious difference between a well coached team and a poorly coached one.

    4. In particular with the scrums, we've come such a long way. In the lead up to Aldegheri's yellow, we kept winning scrum penalties and calling for another scrum. Reminded me of Tom Court vs England in 2012, but really encouraging we're on the right side of that nowadays.

    5. Others might disagree, but I thought Murray's tempo was much improved, even if he still had the occasional wayward pass. Heard a stat afterwards that he only box kicked once, so a marked difference there, leaving the exit more to Sexton, Ringrose and Larmour, when required. (Albeit, given our territory and possession, it wasn't required nearly as much).

    6. Murray's opposite number deserves a mention. I think we did a really good job of putting him under a lot of pressure (and it seemed to be identified that he puts his hands on the ball at the base of a ruck occasionally). Having said that, I think he did really well for a young guy with relatively little experience being put under that much pressure.

    7. While I'm on France, the stat in commentary for Lambey was incredible - 23 tackles by half time.

    8. Larmour also deserves a mention. Still some question marks under the high ball which he'll have to improve on, but he really is very exciting with ball in hand, his footwork is amazing at times.

    9. All in all, pleased with that and Saturday gives us an opportunity to finish on a very positive footing all things considered. We'll need to improve again, but hopefully this is a step towards that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,625 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    We scrummed until he got carded. Scrummed again, lost the ball, and never looked like scoring again. To me it was an example of lacking strategic leadership. He should have been carded sooner, but once he was carded we should have mauled. Fresh prop against props who had just done (5?) scrums.

    It was frustrating. Was POM captain at that stage?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,352 ✭✭✭✭phog


    We were much improved from our previous 6Ns games but still a fair bit off the type of performances we gave to beat the likes of the All Blacks. Everyone seemed to up their game I thought Healy might win the MotM but he was probably subbed too early to be in the running, Ringrose was a likely candidate too but Ryan was certainly worthy of the award.

    I'm delighted we won too because it was Best's last home 6Ns games and he deserves to go out on a high.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    errlloyd wrote: »
    We scrummed until he got carded. Scrummed again, lost the ball, and never looked like scoring again. To me it was an example of lacking strategic leadership. He should have been carded sooner, but once he was carded we should have mauled. Fresh prop against props who had just done (5?) scrums.

    It was frustrating. Was POM captain at that stage?

    Choosing to not hook the ball was the mistake there. 8 against 7 he should have hooked the ball, we could have gone for the drive when it was at Conan’s feet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,998 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Any word on VDF or other injuries?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Any word on VDF or other injuries?
    No word yet. After the match, Joe said he 'got a bit twisted' :D


    Probably be tomorrow before we hear anything. They're not training until Wednesday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭Hugh_C


    Any word on VDF or other injuries?

    Watched back yesterday and it looked like it didn't involve contact, he seemed to arrive at a ruck and leg collapsed under him :/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,081 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Whatever happened in the intervening fortnight, Belfast, few beers, no doubt some chats and some resetting of basics, it worked a treat.

    Of course the return of the first choice players in various spots helped hugely too, but the energy and the cameradrie were obviously levels ahead and the likes of Healy and Stander led by example and both embraced and roared on their teammates.

    Ireland's good performances are always marked by early statements of intent and disciplined and aggressive line-speed and we saw all of that. Speaking of discipline, it was excellent, though our penalty count was automatically helped by spending bugger all time in our own redzone!

    Pulling off key players so early was another statement of intent for Cardiff and I don't think the 6 day turnaround will be even slightly an issue, in fact I'd say the players would love to be playing them today.

    As for Saturday, all Ireland should care about is a good performance and acquitting themselves as individuals across the pitch. If Wales win, so what, but mentally I'd rather see us win and hand a non-slam title to England rather than have to endure a trophy ceremony in Cardiff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    It’s always a relief these days to see Sexton trotting off the field intact. Stander had a great game.

    I don’t know what Brunel should do with his forwards. There’s a case for making wholesale changes now and also for trying to make a team out of the current lot. I think Thomas deserves another go on the wing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    As for Saturday, all Ireland should care about is a good performance and acquitting themselves as individuals across the pitch. If Wales win, so what, but mentally I'd rather see us win and hand a non-slam title to England rather than have to endure a trophy ceremony in Cardiff.
    Pretty much what Jack Conan said in this interview:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Can't remember when it was (some time in the second half any way) but my favourite part of the game was when Larmour danced around mesmerising French defenders for around 3 or 4 seconds, but ultimately made no ground. Next phase - John Ryan - head down - bulldozed for around 8 yards.

    Shake n bake, baby!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Can't remember when it was (some time in the second half any way) but my favourite part of the game was when Larmour danced around mesmerising French defenders for around 3 or 4 seconds, but ultimately made no ground. Next phase - John Ryan - head down - bulldozed for around 8 yards.

    Shake n bake, baby!

    How bad was Larmour again, late in the second half, when he danced, danced, danced, could have passed for a try, but such was the delight of the crowd at his dancing, he danced again, sacrificing the try in the process ?
    It may be in his contract that he is exempt from passing so dazzling is his footwork.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Really he should have gone straight to ground at the first tackler, so as to avoid criticism for almost scoring a try.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭Jewelers


    Really he should have gone straight to ground at the first tackler, so as to avoid criticism for almost scoring a try.

    previous posters points very valid if he passed it was a try , the dancing is getting a bit like river dance gone wrong now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Jewelers wrote: »
    previous posters points very valid if he passed it was a try , the dancing is getting a bit like river dance gone wrong now

    Yes but he still created the break, overall the play was better than average even if he did not perfectly execute the finish. the territory gained was the equivalent of a good kick and chase deep into their 22.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭Some Yoke


    Gaelic football has helped the aerial and kicking skills of Irish rugby players.
    It is now Irish dancings turn to influence how we play the game


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Some Yoke wrote: »
    Gaelic football has helped the aerial and kicking skills of Irish rugby players.
    It is now Irish dancings turn to influence how we play the game

    Our version of the Haka lies within Riverdance. No opposing team would be quite the same after witnessing that.


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