I believe in miracles...

Bob Harris

The Vatican has approved second miracle for John Henry Newman a cardinal who died in 1890.

His second miracle is that he cured a pregnant american woman from an illness that had baffled doctors. The woman must have been visiting England you'll be thinking and somehow their paths crossed and his prayers and healing hands worked the miracle. Not so.

She saw a programme about him on television, EWTN no less. The Eternal Word Television Network, prayed for intercession and was 'instantly cured of her condition' No date for this but obviously since the advent of TV. His other miracle
was performed in 2001 only 111 years after his death.

oLoonatic

Let me be the first to say " YOU SEXY THING"

Keyzer

Holy shít...

branie2

Hallelujah!

James Brown

Where you from? You sexy thing.

LessOutragePlz

How can he perform a miracle while he is dead?

kneemos

The Vatican is becoming more and more bizzare lately with the tenuous links to miracle workers.

branie2

He performed the miracle from Heaven

kneemos

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How can he perform a miracle while he is dead?

Power of prayer.

Like praying to St Christopher (guess) when you've lost something.

branie2

kneemos wrote: »

Power of prayer.

Like praying to St Christopher (guess) when you've lost something.

You pray to St Anthony when you lose something; St Christopher is the patron saint of travellers

Vicarious Function

I find it difficult to believe in this "MIRACLE". The connection between this woman and this saint-in -the-making is so remote. I would say the source of "healing" is first and foremost within ourselves. Something prompts a change within. Maybe something about this "saint" prompted it. Who knows!

o1s1n

kneemos wrote: »

Power of prayer.

Like praying to St Christopher (guess) when you've lost something.

Why cure one person and say, not the millions of people dying of aids?

Selectively curing people...what a bastard.

jimgoose

Technically Newman is more of a Class-II relic.

sbsquarepants

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How can he perform a miracle while he is dead?

The real miracle is how the fúck do they keep selling this shít?

After all the scandals and outrages these shower have committed over the years over centuries and millennia in fact - how the hell are they not just surviving, but going from strength to strength. Only the other day I read that the pope had to shut down an order of nuns who were being kept as sex slaves!

Seriously - what the fúck is wrong with people??

o1s1n

Vicarious Function wrote: »

I find it difficult to believe in this "MIRACLE". The connection between this woman and this saint-in -the-making is so remote. I would say the source of "healing" is first and foremost within ourselves. Something prompts a change within. Maybe something about this "saint" prompted it. Who knows!

Correlation versus causation - just because two events happen, it doesn't meant they are linked.

frag420

Can I get an AMEN!!!

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I'm not defending accrediting miracles but most 'miracles' are as a result of prayer through the intersession of a noted holy person, they aren't primarily based on acts during the persons life.

PGE1970

kneemos wrote: »

The Vatican is becoming more and more bizzare lately with the tenuous links to miracle workers.

Hasn't that been the case for just over 2019 years??

frag420

oLoonatic wrote: »

Let me be the first to say " YOU SEXY THING"

Where ya from...?

Sorry about that

What's this about sex-slave nuns and abortions your holiness?
"Look, a new saint!!!" (Jazz hands)

bear1

**** that for a miracle, I'd love to know how that woman watched him on tv in 1890!?!?!

Deebles McBeebles

bear1 wrote: »

**** that for a miracle, I'd love to know how that woman watched him on tv in 1890!?!?!

Another miracle! Or a wizard.

kneemos

Tenley Curved Stepbrother wrote: »

I'm not defending accrediting miracles but most 'miracles' are as a result of prayer through the intersession of a noted holy person, they aren't primarily based on acts during the persons life.

Step four a becoming a saint does indeed state that sainthood can come from cures from prayers.
Proof that the candidate is in heaven and has the power to grant favours.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27140646

Seth Brundle

Bob Harris wrote: »

She saw a programme about him on television, EWTN no less. The Eternal Word Television Network, prayed for intercession and was 'instantly cured of her condition' No date for this but obviously since the advent of TV.

hang on - it was TV that cured her condition!
Praise be to the TV God

Grayson

branie2 wrote: »

You pray to St Anthony when you lose something; St Christopher is the patron saint of travellers

was about to say.

And St Jude occasionally if you're a lost cause

Randle P. McMurphy

branie2 wrote: »

You pray to St Anthony when you lose something; St Christopher is the patron saint of travellers

Darn it. I've been doing it wrong. I wonder will St. Christopher pass on my requests to St. Anthony or will he think that's not in his job description and just bin them ?



inb4 'that would be an ecumenical question'

Uncharted

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How can he perform a miracle while he is dead?

To be fair,it has the exact same chance of working.



None.

Being dead doesn't alter that.

iamwhoiam

Does anyone what the woman's symptoms were ? Then possibly we now know that she was going to get better anyway ?

Deebles McBeebles

Randle P. McMurphy wrote: »

Darn it. I've been doing it wrong. I wonder will St. Christopher pass on my requests to St. Anthony or will he think that's not in his job description and just bin them ?



inb4 'that would be an ecumenical question'

If it was me (and my mammy tells me I'm a saint), I'd be deleting those requests as soon as they arrived in my inbox.

Bob Harris

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Does anyone what the woman's symptoms were ? Then possibly we now know that she was going to get better anyway ?

They were 'baffling' apparently. I think the church would be fairly guarded about those details.

I was talking to a cardiologist a while back. I asked him if he had ever seen cases of people's faith curing them of what he would conisider incurable conditions. The only times he had seen any unlikely recoveries were in cases of misdiagnosis where the illness wasn't as serious as first thought.

branie2

There have been 69 declared miracle cures in Lourdes

alchemist33

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How can he perform a miracle while he is dead?

That makes it a double miracle. A miraception

ohnonotgmail

branie2 wrote: »

There have been 69 declared miracle cures in Lourdes

given the number that go there that number seems shockingly low.

ohnonotgmail

o1s1n wrote: »

Why cure one person and say, not the millions of people dying of aids?

Selectively curing people...what a bastard.

Saints only work by request.

Pherekydes

branie2 wrote: »

There have been 69 declared miracle cures in Lourdes

Any of them involve growing back a limb?

branie2

None so far

valoren

Do not tempt the Lord thy God and The Lord works in Mysterious Ways.

Two of the biggest deflective cop outs ever thought up.
Effectively, refrain from the use of critical thinking which will expose our bull**** and please do not engage in any activities which will prove it is all bull****.

If you do, then your SOUL will end up in HELL. Every cult needs a 'control' and Hell was that control.

sbsquarepants

It's always some cancer or some other shít you can't see isn't it - nobody ever re-grows a leg:rolleyes:

Now there's a miracle I can buy into.

If Heather Mills rocks up on 2 feet, wiggles all ten of her piggly wigglies and says Padre Pio fixed her, i'll become a believer.

mad muffin

I prefer to do the Wiccan chant of tying the devils balls with a rag when I lose something.

kneemos

kneemos wrote: »

The Vatican is becoming more and more bizzare lately with the tenuous links to miracle workers.

More bizarre?

Dying and rising from the dead three days later? Creationism? Immaculate virgin conception? Son of god?

I’d view bishop whatchacallit curing an unidentified illness through the television from his position in an imaginary place that you go when you’re dead to be fairly run of the mill.

Your Face

branie2

Padre Pio is also popular in the miracles department

lobbylad

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

given the number that go there that number seems shockingly low.

Yep, statistically speaking more people have died en route to Lourdes than have ever been "cured" by actually getting there.

And also, given the volume of visitors - statistically speaking, any location on earth that has that many visitors would expect to see that many "miracle" cures.