Vegetarian

nervous_twitch

Right. let's not beat around the bush anymore.. it looks like the consumption of meat is terrible both for the environment and for our physical health.

I know we get nowhere preaching or criticising, but I'm interested to know if boardsies have cut back?

D3V!L

Sorry brb my bacon is ready.....

Dakotabigone

If it’s just an office job you are doing it’s fine to be a vegetarian.

nervous_twitch

What?

SeaFields

Have a fry up on right now that would kill a lesser man. Does that answer your question op?

nervous_twitch

SeaFields wrote: »

Have a fry up on right now that would kill a lesser man. Does that answer your question op?

Yes it kind of does. Thanks.

SeaFields

nervous_twitch wrote: »

Yes it kind of does. Thanks.

Ah don't be discouraged. Here have a sausage.

hairyslug

Have some bacon in the slow cooker, I'll let you know how it goes at around 4

Tom Mann Centuria

Only vegetarian? Disgusting murderer. I'm a level 5 Vegan, I never eat anything that casts a shadow.

Pac1Man

Not even a link OP?

nervous_twitch

Pac1Man wrote: »

Not even a link OP?

No links, sorry. Just interested in the general consensus. Not a militant vegetarian/vegan.

dxhound2005

nervous_twitch wrote: »

No links, sorry. Just interested in the general consensus. Not a militant vegetarian/vegan.

The general consensus at languageandgrammar.com is that the expression general consensus is redundant.

anewme

Cut out meat in June of this year. I was in Thailand and found I was ordering chicken pad Thai, but leaving the chicken as it was rubbery. The food in Thailand is amazing, you’d not miss the meat one but. When I came home, I just never went back to it.

Still eat fish.

Love making cauliflower wings!

Am phasing out dairy and use oat milk.

Eat eggs from my friends hens but not outside of this.

Went for Sunday lunch last week to be told the veggie option was meat n two veg without the meat. I’m still laughing.

I thunk there’s a certain fad for replacing junk food with junk vegetarian and vegan stuff, proceeded meat substitutes. I dont eat them at all,

Beasty

Yeah I've cut back. Haven't touched the stuff since 1967

Fenster

I decided to go vegetarian last October. It's been a great and interesting experience for me in so many ways. I'm looking at reducing dairy consumption next (almond/soy milk versus dairy milk) and meat's a rare treat. It's going great and I'm happy with where I'm at.

Giveaway

These mininal meat diets are based on a big fallacy, the people studied don,t eat much meat. But i suspect they are not even considering non official sources of protein such as insect based food and bush meat. If one looked at a Sierra Leone work gang making a road in the jungle and just considered their rations one would see a low meat diet. However when not workinf the guys spend a lot of time trapping and eating(almost any animal caught)

BeerWolf

I ain't changing my diet because us humies can't curb their overbreeding!!

That being said, there's plenty of delicious vegetarian options. Love my Indian foods, and Spicy bean burgers, for example.

Buford T. Justice XIX

nervous_twitch wrote: »

Right. let's not beat around the bush anymore.. it looks like the consumption of meat is terrible both for the environment and for our physical health.

I know we get nowhere preaching or criticising, but I'm interested to know if boardsies have cut back?

That's the narrative alright but there's plenty of criticism and some formidable debunking of that narrative around.


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/02/01/whats-really-behind-the-plant-based-diet-agenda/


And no, I'm still consuming the same amount of meat and veg as I was before.

nervous_twitch

Giveaway wrote: »

These mininal meat diets are based on a big fallacy, the people studied don,t eat much meat. But i suspect they are not even considering non official sources of protein such as insect based food and bush meat. If one looked at a Sierra Leone work gang making a road in the jungle and just considered their rations one would see a low meat diet. However when not workinf the guys spend a lot of time trapping and eating(almost any animal caught)

Nope, we're not. Lots of protein available in meatless diets. Look better now than I ever did

monkeysnapper

I'm not a vegetarian by any means but I have a job where I'm active all day , plus do cycling and running and I have to say theres definitely alternatives to meat .

I have tried to cut down on red meat for the last few years and have felt healthier for it.

For first 6 years after leaving school I was a butcher , it really is gross some of the things I did.

1. People roasting pigs heads so you have to take eyes out.

2. Skinning and gutting rabbits .

3. Making sausages out of all the crap you cant use for anything else.

4. When you kill your own beef you get livers/ kidneys tongue separate from carcus and we used to boil tongues, then peel the hard skin off them , put in a press and leave for few days . Then you slice like ham .

For sausages you would use a lot of the meat from head of pig , tongue, cheeks, and some of the meat left after you severed the head from body.

My brother in law worked in abattoir. I'll leave this for another day .

ShaneC93

I wonder what vegetarians & vegans will think of cultured meat (lab-grown meat that is made without harming / killing the animal) which a few companies are planning to start mass-producing this year. Will they all eat it because the slaughtering animals aspect is gone? Or stay veggy/vegan for health reasons.

davidk1394

monkeysnapper wrote: »

I'm not a vegetarian by any means but I have a job where I'm active all day , plus do cycling and running and I have to say theres definitely alternatives to meat .

I have tried to cut down on red meat for the last few years and have felt healthier for it.

For first 6 years after leaving school I was a butcher , it really is gross some of the things I did.

1. People roasting pigs heads so you have to take eyes out.

2. Skinning and gutting rabbits .

3. Making sausages out of all the crap you cant use for anything else.

4. When you kill your own beef you get livers/ kidneys tongue separate from carcus and we used to boil tongues, then peel the hard skin off them , put in a press and leave for few days . Then you slice like ham .

For sausages you would use a lot of the meat from head of pig , tongue, cheeks, and some of the meat left after you severed the head from body.

My brother in law worked in abattoir. I'll leave this for another day .

Kill all our own animals here aswell for the freezer. Cut back a bit on meat consumption but I won’t ever give it up.

biko

nervous_twitch wrote: »

it looks like the consumption of meat is terrible both for the environment and for our physical health.

It doesn't look like that at all, quite the opposite.


Are you a vegetarian because you like animals, or because you hate plants?

nervous_twitch

ShaneC93 wrote: »

I wonder what vegetarians & vegans will think of cultured meat (lab-grown meat that is made without harming / killing the animal) which a few companies are planning to start mass-producing this year. Will they all eat it because the slaughtering animals aspect is gone? Or stay veggy/vegan for health reasons.

I will eat it.

nervous_twitch

biko wrote: »

It doesn't look like that at all, quite the opposite.

Sorry, I don't understand. Can you explain?

biko

All the evidence points to the opposite direction.




Since you didn't bother backing up your statement I won't bother either.

Haithabu

nervous_twitch wrote: »

Right. let's not beat around the bush anymore.. it looks like the consumption of meat is terrible both for the environment and for our physical health.

I know we get nowhere preaching or criticising, but I'm interested to know if boardsies have cut back?

I have cut down a lot mainly for those two reasons. Still have a steak maybe every second week or some salami / ham on a sandwich once a week. But apart from that there is no meat on my table any more and I feel fine.

I want to do a vegetarian cooking course as I know there are a lot of nice meals you can do, without the meat my meals have become a bit repetitive. If anyone knows where such a course is on (in Dublin), let me know.


It's sometimes tricky when abroad, w went to the Caribbean last year and there was not much of vegetarian choice in the restaurants.

Planet X

nervous_twitch wrote: »

Right. let's not beat around the bush anymore.. it looks like the consumption of meat is terrible both for the environment and for our physical health.

I know we get nowhere preaching or criticising, but I'm interested to know if boardsies have cut back?

Soon....there'll be no bush to beat around. It'll be ate!

wakka12

I think being vegetarian is a good thing to do for the environment. Eating meat is certainly not terrible for your health though so long as you dont deep fry it or use highly processed meat, some beef or chicken from the butcher is perfectly healthy, many studies have shown no appreciable difference in life span between vegetarians and non vegetarians

nervous_twitch

biko wrote: »

Since you didn't bother backing up your statement I won't bother either.

OK, we will continue in this ignorant bliss. If you can show me that the consumption of meat is actually good for the environment, I will be all ears

biko

You started the thread, where is your evidence?

Thespoofer

Decided to stop eating meat approximately last October but still fish.

In the beginning it was a bit tricky but eventually got up and running with the idea. Christmas came and of course was the usual turkey, ham etc and I said OK, I'll have it for Christmas and that was that.
New year came and have not eaten meat or had alcohol either ( I liked a beer at weekends the same as anyone else). I find it surprisingly easy and find now the cravings for meat are fewer and fewer.

The reasons I suppose were I was working briefly in an abottoir ( outside contractor) and saw what goes on.
The cattles last moments ( after being transported in the back of a trailer) are in a cold, wet, **** covered environment, and they do know what's coming next. I know this from experience because I've worked in the same abottoir ( again with outside contractor for renovation) and saw one escape.
It fell out of the killing chamber, ran up the line ( past the dismembered carcasses) and out the loading bay door and down into the forest, quickly being chased by 4 or 5 guys in white trying to catch it. You can guess who I was shouting for.

The effects of this diet change are as follows. Firstly I work in an extremely manual environment, various types of roofing.

In the beginning ( I'm mid 40s now), I thought my penis stopped working. My mind was writing cheques that my body couldn't cash, if you know what I mean.
But after some time, I 'm not bloated from food stuck inside my system, have lost a healthy bit of weight, feel healthier and more confident, just better about myself.

And finally my cock is back to normal, even better I suppose due to my stomach losing a nice few pound.

Long term I don't know, I'll see how it all pans out.

FishOnABike

nervous_twitch wrote: »

Right. let's not beat around the bush anymore.. it looks like the consumption of meat is terrible both for the environment and for our physical health.

I know we get nowhere preaching or criticising, but I'm interested to know if boardsies have cut back?

You might want to get that nervous twitch checked out. It can be sign of vitamin B6, B12, D, or calcium deficiency.

https://www.livestrong.com/article/511834-vitamin-deficiency-with-muscle-twitches/

anewme

Thespoofer wrote: »

Decided to stop eating meat approximately last October but still fish.

In the beginning it was a bit tricky but eventually got up and running with the idea. Christmas came and of course was the usual turkey, ham etc and I said OK, I'll have it for Christmas and that was that.
New year came and have not eaten meat or had alcohol either ( I liked a beer at weekends the same as anyone else). I find it surprisingly easy and find now the cravings for meat are fewer and fewer.

Your story about the cow upset me.

I had the same coming up to Christmas: was wondering what to eat but had a delicious salmon roast, which fed 4 of us.

I would not be able to eat meat now, it’s like I just stopped one day and had no desire to go back ever. I can’t really explain it.

I do find it more expensive, good fish is expensive. I’ve a leather suite and very expensive leather jackets and bags.

I’m not getting rid, just won’t buy again.

I think what this has done for me is get me thinking more on a bigger picture and be more aware of where things come from . For example I don’t buy those cheap bobble hats, the fur is bits of animals from China.

I have friends who say, are you still at that aul nonsense, which is annoying, I don’t push my views on anyone else, I just do what I can.

Drink next for me as well.

Thespoofer

' I would not be able to eat meat now, it’s like I just stopped one day and had no desire to go back ever. I can’t really explain it.'


This. The exact same thing happened to me.

At the moment I'm not saying I'll never again eat it but for now I just don't want.

gozunda

nervous_twitch wrote: »

Right. let's not beat around the bush anymore.. it looks like the consumption of meat is terrible both for the environment and for our physical health.
I know we get nowhere preaching or criticising, but I'm interested to know if boardsies have cut back?

Nope. Wrong. An agenda driven by plant-based protein companies and nutcases who are trying to dictate what we eat. You'd want your head examined to believe that bull**** tbh.

MFPM

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Wrong. An agenda driven by plant-based protein companies and nutcases who are trying to dictate what we eat. You'd want your head examined to believe that bull**** tbh.

What an idiotic reponse. Isn't that what every single meat production company does too - who doesn't have an agenda?

You'd want your head examined to believe that bull**** tbh.

Perhaps you could give us the benefit of your insights on the matter - given that it's 'bull****....the floor is yours..

gozunda

Giveaway wrote: »

These mininal meat diets are based on a big fallacy, the people studied don,t eat much meat. But i suspect they are not even considering non official sources of protein such as insect based food and bush meat. If one looked at a Sierra Leone work gang making a road in the jungle and just considered their rations one would see a low meat diet. However when not workinf the guys spend a lot of time trapping and eating(almost any animal caught)

Ethiopa for example has 53 million cattle and a comparable number of other types of livestock. Dairy products and meat from these livestock provide a valuable source of high quality protein and income for many millions of small farmers and rural dwellers. But hey let's listen to the food facists that are telling us that meat and animal products are baddddd!

Thespoofer

Food racists

gozunda

MFPM wrote: »

What an idiotic reponse. Isn't that what every single meat production company does too - who doesn't have an agenda? Perhaps you could give us the benefit of your insights on the matter - given that it's 'bull****....the floor is yours..

And an "idiotic" (your words) reactionary reply :rolleyes:
Wrong we don't see any propaganda campaign rubbishing 'plant based foods' but there is an apparently endless anti-livestock mantra. Perhaps you could provide your own contribution rather than attacking that of others.

There is plenty of good information out there about the rubbish being pushed against a normal healthy diet incorporating a full range of foods including meat and dairy products

Heres one for starters. Enjoy.

https://www.nutritionadvance.com/vegan-propaganda-and-meat/[url][/url]

gozunda

Thespoofer wrote: »

Food racists

That was 'food facist'
Yup unfortunately - its a 'thing'

Food Facists

noun

a person who shows extreme, intolerant views in relation to food

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/food-fascist

MFPM

gozunda wrote: »

And an idiotic reactionary reply :rolleyes:
Wrong we don't see any propaganda campaign rubbishing 'plant based foods' but there is an apparently endless anti-livestock mantra. Perhaps you could provide your own contribution rather than attacking that of others.

There is plenty of good information out there about the rubbish being pushed against a normal healthy diet incorporating a full range of foods including meat and dairy products

Heres one for starters. Enjoy.

https://www.nutritionadvance.com/vegan-propaganda-and-meat/[url][/url]

And an idiotic reactionary reply

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so thank you and as for 'reactionary', I'd suggest you consult a dictionary and don't display your idiocy by misusing words.

Wrong we don't see any propaganda campaign rubbishing 'plant based foods' but there is an apparently endless anti-livestock mantra.

The 'propoganda' campaign against meat based diets doesn't seek to rubbish it, it seeks to legitimately question them on environmental, health and ethical grounds.

There are constant campaigns by various interest groups in favour of meat eating and meat productuion - look at the hysterical reaction to the recent lancet report. It's absurd to dispute this.

Perhaps you could provide your own contribution rather than attacking that of others.

Unlike you I didn't make any statements that necissitated any further 'contribution' - I questioned your statement.

There is plenty of good information out there about the rubbish

Why is it rubbish, again you make an unsubstantiated judgemental statement but you make no effort to substantiate it.

being pushed against a normal healthy diet incorporating a full range of foods including meat and dairy products

I have a healthy diet that doesn't include meat or fish and hasn't done so for years - what's abnormal about my diet? Again, those 'pushing' a vegan or vegetarian diet are simply making an argument and raising issues for debate - what is wrong with that?

gozunda

MFPM wrote: »

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so thank you and as for 'reactionary', I'd suggest you consult a dictionary and don't display your idiocy by misusing words.

Parody is the most appropriate response to attack. If you can't understand context then the fault lies with you alone. And If you are simply commenting in order to offer up pathetic personal insult - you are on your own.

The point to be made is that we are averaging one of these vegenista type proselytizing posts at least once a week.

A quick check shows the OP started a post on the same rubbish the last time using the old hoary chestnut "dog thou" veganista argument. Then only a few created posts over 3 and half years and then BAM straight into spreading misinformation without any proper references or otherwise. And you demand I provide some when I point out it's baloney????

You can drop the faux outrage - few on boards swallow the anti-meat and animal products propaganda as you can clearly see. But you know that already.

Well here's some more counterpoint for you to read and digest (aka 'substantiated' references) You apparently didn't bother reading the last one i posted. Why is that?

https://www.nutritionadvance.com/vegan-propaganda-and-meat/

https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

Enjoy.

Btw before I forget ...

I noticed you referred to the recent EAT 'lancet report' (sic)

And you also said

The 'propoganda'* campaign against meat based diets doesn't seek to rubbish it, it seeks to legitimately question them on environmental, health and ethical grounds.

Really?
Then you must have missed this ...

What exactly is EAT? ... EAT was founded in 2013 by Gunhild Stordalen, an animal right activist for the Norwegian Animal Welfare Alliance (and the wife of hotel tycoon Petter Stordalen). This couple who are listed as being amongst Europe’s richest individuals ... display a particularly lavish lifestyle despite their image as green avengers...

The Stordalens have both the means and networks to put their ideas into action, as their contacts include CEOs, politicians, and royalties...

And where budgets allow it, influence can be purchased: 3.5 million Norwegian Kronar was paid to Bill Clinton - who went vegan (briefly) in 2010 - for a one-hour speech at an EAT conference in 2014.

'Legitimate' my rear end.

See:
https://www.efanews.eu/item/6053

*Btw it is spelled p-r-o-p-a-g-a-n-d-a. I can lend you a dictionary if you like ...

Robert Wolfe

I eat meat or fish every day and have intention of cutting down.

Graces7

MFPM wrote: »

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so thank you and as for 'reactionary', I'd suggest you consult a dictionary and don't display your idiocy by misusing words.



The 'propoganda' campaign against meat based diets doesn't seek to rubbish it, it seeks to legitimately question them on environmental, health and ethical grounds.

There are constant campaigns by various interest groups in favour of meat eating and meat productuion - look at the hysterical reaction to the recent lancet report. It's absurd to dispute this.



Unlike you I didn't make any statements that necissitated any further 'contribution' - I questioned your statement.



Why is it rubbish, again you make an unsubstantiated judgemental statement but you make no effort to substantiate it.



I have a healthy diet that doesn't include meat or fish and hasn't done so for years - what's abnormal about my diet? Again, those 'pushing' a vegan or vegetarian diet are simply making an argument and raising issues for debate - what is wrong with that?

Thank you for an excellent post

gozunda

Graces7 wrote: »

Thank you for an excellent post

But grace - you are a self declared omnivore! What gives?

Graces7

gozunda wrote: »

But grace - you are a self declared omnivore! What gives?

It is an excellent post whatever your views. Well written and well argued and to be admired and commended.. 10/10 to it!

Zorya

Couldn't give a damn what people eat.
Lots of meat dishes look delicious.
I don't think one's diet has much of an effect on the planet - like someone once said washing out our jam jars while Big Oil keeps raping the planet makes little sense.
I'm not sure vegetarianism has much effect on one's health either. If people eat too many white carbs and sugar and junk, it doesn't matter that they don't eat meat. Moderation is the key.
I haven't eaten meat for 35 years though because I don't like the idea of slaughtering animals so that I eat, or the cruelty they inevitably endure in factory farming. That's about it. There are other ways to get enough food.
If the apocalypse comes though I will be the first one out on the hills with my spear stalking sheep. Hundred percent. Stay back or I might even eat you!

Buford T. Justice XIX

Zorya wrote: »

Couldn't give a damn what people eat.
Lots of meat dishes look delicious.
I don't think one's diet has much of an effect on the planet - like someone once said washing out our jam jars while Big Oil keeps raping the planet makes little sense.
I'm not sure vegetarianism has much effect on one's health either. If people eat too many white carbs and sugar and junk, it doesn't matter that they don't eat meat. Moderation is the key.
I haven't eaten meat for 35 years though because I don't like the idea of slaughtering animals so that I eat, or the cruelty they inevitably endure in factory farming. That's about it. There are other ways to get enough food.
If the apocalypse comes though I will be the first one out on the hills with my spear stalking sheep. Hundred percent. Stay back or I might even eat you!

Good luck with that!:pac:


Without human intervention like shearing and dipping to prevent fly strike, the sum total of sheep in the country will be close to zero.



Goats, on the other hand..

Zorya

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Good luck with that!:pac:


Without human intervention like shearing and dipping to prevent fly strike, the sum total of sheep in the country will be close to zero.



Goats, on the other hand..

Roh kay then, I'll make do with deer and wild goats. We have gazillions of them out here.

(But I will cry if I ever have to kill a deer. I love them so much.)

Zorya

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Good luck with that!:pac:


Without human intervention like shearing and dipping to prevent fly strike, the sum total of sheep in the country will be close to zero.



Goats, on the other hand..

Plus, Jesus Christ, I'm not going to eat all the farmers, there will be plenty of them left here to shear the sheep after apocalypse! :eek: