Cutting a new door frame for ESB cables

Crea

My mother is getting a new door under the grant scheme. Currently the ESB cables come from outside into the fuse box through the wooden door frame. The man who came to measure for the door said that the cables would have to be moved in order to fit the new door frame. We've been told by an electrician that the ESB would have to do it. My mother is saying she'll ask the door fitter to cut the frame around the cables and to put a seal around them.
Is this doable? Will it damage the integrity of the door and the energy rating of the house?

Rows Grower

Crea wrote: »

My mother is getting a new door under the grant scheme. Currently the ESB cables come from outside into the fuse box through the wooden door frame. The man who came to measure for the door said that the cables would have to be moved in order to fit the new door frame. We've been told by an electrician that the ESB would have to do it. My mother is saying she'll ask the door fitter to cut the frame around the cables and to put a seal around them.
Is this doable? Will it damage the integrity of the door and the energy rating of the house?

No, the door frame will have to stay the way it is provided. You'll have to get the cables moved.

the_pen_turner

it would ruin the door

massy086

I have fitted many a PVC door/ composite door and we always cut a notch in the frame to allow the cable in.an electricion told us it would cost as much as the door to have the ESB out to move the cable

Crea

massy086 wrote: »

I have fitted many a PVC door/ composite door and we always cut a notch in the frame to allow the cable in.an electricion told us it would cost as much as the door to have the ESB out to move the cable

Good to know its standard practise. Thanks so much.

jack of all

Notwithstanding some of the good advice given already a photo to illustrate the existing setup would be very helpful.

jhenno78

Crea wrote: »

Good to know its standard practise. Thanks so much.

That's never a good measure.

Crea

jack of all wrote: »

Notwithstanding some of the good advice given already a photo to illustrate the existing setup would be very helpful.

Any advice on how to upload a pic from my phone? I tried earlier and failed miserably

Crea

jhenno78 wrote: »

That's never a good measure.

Can you tell me why?

jhenno78

Crea wrote: »

Can you tell me why?

The right way of doing something is "too much hassle" and bad practice very easily become "standard practice".
Many tradespeople will never even be aware of the correct way of doing something because they're learning from what they see. Better methods that should be standard practice often never get a chance at all because "sure it was grand the other way".

"Ah, sure that'll do" is the most worrying thing to hear from someone working on your house.

clfy39tzve8njq

Can the cables not be recessed into the concrete

Crea

It's the cables coloured blue in the top right corner

Crea

Without the colour. Top right corner.

clfy39tzve8njq

Crea wrote:

Without the colour. Top right corner.

Chisel a notch in the concrete over the door no need to go cutting the door frame.

Rows Grower

Get the ESB to turn off the power first.

meercat

The best and proper way to do this get esbn to reposition their service
There are however a few issues with this
They will not drill the new hole and a builder must do this and have a pipe in place to facilitate the repositioned cable entry
There would be a charge from esbn to do this
They may require a certificate from a rec before they will undertake this work
The fuse box you posted a pic of would not be up to regulations and no rec would certify the installation (most likely a rewire recommended)
As another poster has pointed out,the cost of all this would be dearer than the replacement door.

Who2

It’s usual enough to land into this scenario . Most people will try and take a notch out of the wall if they can get enough flex to allow this. Notching the frame can be done on some of the door frames but I personally don’t agree with it, however most fitters now won’t do it as if anything goes wrong it will land back on them. Even splitting the old frame around the cable is dangerous as a slip of a chisel and you could end up toast. If the mains cable then gets damaged which has happened a lot of times it then ends up the fitters responsibility and extremely costly. A simple way around it is to get a frame with extension pieces on it which can then be notched according to where it’s needed but a lot will still refuse to do it with the damage that can be done if it goes wrong.

Black_Knight

meercat wrote: »

The best and proper way to do this get esbn to reposition their service
There are however a few issues with this
They will not drill the new hole and a builder must do this and have a pipe in place to facilitate the repositioned cable entry
There would be a charge from esbn to do this
They may require a certificate from a rec before they will undertake this work
The fuse box you posted a pic of would not be up to regulations and no rec would certify the installation (most likely a rewire recommended)
As another poster has pointed out,the cost of all this would be dearer than the replacement door.

We've contacted ESB about moving our cables. Were moving the box to outside, but anywho. They said if we move the cables 2 inches or 200 metres, is 411 euro.

If you're moving the meter box you need to get an electrician to wire it up, sign off, then wait 3-4 weeks for ESB to move the meter.

Luckysasha

Why not just leave a 1 inch gap at the top of the frame and then fit a trim piece to hide the gap. Easier to notch the trim piece than the actual door frame

listermint

That picture doesn't tell us where the meter box is. If the meter box is outside then the Cable is your problem and a qualified certified electrician should move it. ESB only deal with cabling up to the point of the meter unit itself.

Luckysasha

listermint wrote: »

That picture doesn't tell us where the meter box is. If the meter box is outside then the Cable is your problem and a qualified certified electrician should move it. ESB only deal with cabling up to the point of the meter unit itself.

Have another look at the picture dude and if you still cant see the meter then give specsavers a ring first thing Monday morning

Calahonda52

Getting out the existing will be tricky number.
Is a full rewire part of the work, that fusebox looks ropey

the_pen_turner

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Getting out the existing will be tricky number.
Is a full rewire part of the work, that fusebox looks ropey

in this case probably a rewire.
for esb to move it they will want a cert to say the house is safe and up to standard. no electrition ( good one anyway) will sign off that an old house is safe without doing some serious testing and dfixing of problems if at all. it is hard enough to get one to sign off someone elses new work let alone old unknown work.


so indirectly it usually is a rewire

listermint

Luckysasha wrote: »

Have another look at the picture dude and if you still cant see the meter then give specsavers a ring first thing Monday morning

Picture opened for me zoomed in on the cable entry point. Messed up boards loading..