SUV advice

Ray Bloody Purchase

I'm in a bit of a weird spot. I've a budget of 20k and looking to buy a SUV for herself who is expecting. She'll mainly be using it to drive in and out to Dublin CC, but when the child gets a little older we'll be heading up and down to Galway every weekend to see Granny and Grandad.

There's a lot of really nice diesels out there, but the thread on the future of diesels has really put me off.

I have been looking at a 2016 Rav4 and a Mazda CX-5 of the same year, both diesel.

Problem is, i think i might be barking up the wrong tree in terms of fuel efficiency and future carbon taxes etc.

Any advice would be appreciated, i've my head done in looking at cars. There's a serious range out there.

At the end of the day, we're looking for a SUV with plenty room for buggies and all associated paraphanelia that is economical to run in the city but good for long spins too!

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Stallingrad

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

At the end of the day, we're looking for a SUV with plenty room for buggies and all associated paraphanelia
Any advice would be much appreciated.

Most SUV's have compromised boot space, not much bigger than that of a large hatchback. Throw a buggy in and you are kind of done, forget about suitcases for the weekend. If space is an issue I'd be looking at something with a much bigger boot. Diesel is on the way out, and anyone buying now would do well to consider what it might be worth in 5 or 6 years.

If I was in your shoes I'd be down to Wicklow to buy this. Petrol, ultra refined, super comfy, frugal yet quick and all the space you will ever need. But I am biased as we have two in the family!

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/skoda/superb/used-2016-161-skoda-superb-ambition-1-wicklow-fpa-201812183350226

Ray Bloody Purchase

Stallingrad wrote: »

Most SUV's have compromised boot space, not much bigger than that of a large hatchback. Throw a buggy in and you are kind of done, forget about suitcases for the weekend. If space is an issue I'd be looking at something with a much bigger boot. Diesel is on the way out, and anyone buying now would do well to consider what it might be worth in 5 or 6 years.

If I was in your shoes I'd be down to Wicklow to buy this. Petrol, ultra refined, super comfy, frugal yet quick and all the space you will ever need. But I am biased as we have two in the family!

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/skoda/superb/used-2016-161-skoda-superb-ambition-1-wicklow-fpa-201812183350226

That's excellent food for thought.

Stallingrad

We've had MPV's, estates, saloons, all diesel. We now have 2 petrol Superbs as linked. I just replaced a 2014 5 series with one, and I prefer it every way. It may lack the height of a SUV but the rear doors are much wider, so access to a kids seat is very easy, and you wont believe the legroom.

Stallingrad

OSI wrote: »

Superb has 625 litre boot, a Tiguan has 615 and a Rav4 has 547, both of which are easier to make use being hatchbacks rather than saloons. Even the CX-5 has 503 litre boot which is a good step up from a Golf with just 380 despite being one of the larger boots in it's class.

Duly noted, however the Superb boot is still usually larger than those examples and also benefits from a huge opening (it is a hatchback) that you won't bang your head off. Interior space is far superior too.

Stallingrad

This mantra of diesel is on the way out is really getting tiresome. Fact is disel is going nowhere. Doing a Galway - Dublin return trip every week makes a diesel a no brainer.

Stallingrad wrote: »

Duly noted, however the Superb boot is still usually larger than those examples and also benefits from a huge opening (it is a hatchback) that you won't bang your head off. Interior space is far superior too.

You forgot the height advantage of the suv boots. You can stand a budgey upright in many of them which saves a lot of space you won’t do it in a suberb saloon. A superb estate would be a much better option if going that route and it’s something I’m considering myself at the moment.

Mitsi outlander is another one on my list at the moment, it’s far bigger than the likes of a cx-5 etc, it’s basially a proper 4x4 size wise.

Old diesel

Mazda diesels don't have a great reputation.

Too many issues.

The Superb is a very nice car - so I'd look at one of those.

Hyundai Tucson might be worth a look

drunkmonkey

Not sure how she'll feel about a superb she's probably already self conscious enough. I wouldn't even suggest it to her in your shoes.

Gowan's have a 2016 auto 1.6hdi 3008(Europen car of the year). Auto box would be very handy for city driving and that engine is frugal. It's the only one under 20k. The CX5 you mentioned is a nice car as well.

The SUV is easier for loading and unloading I'd pick it over a saloon, even a newer golf would probably do her as it's plenty pratical with just one kid.

Stallingrad

Casen Immense Armor wrote: »

This mantra of diesel is on the way out is really getting tiresome. Fact is disel is going nowhere. Doing a Galway - Dublin return trip every week makes a diesel a no brainer.

The sales figures tell a different story. They will be around for some time of course, but the writing is on the wall and people are voting with their wallets. A Superb petrol will average 6l/100km, a 1.6/2.0 diesel is only marginally better.

Old diesel

Casen Immense Armor wrote: »

This mantra of diesel is on the way out is really getting tiresome. Fact is disel is going nowhere. Doing a Galway - Dublin return trip every week makes a diesel a no brainer.



You forgot the height advantage of the suv boots. You can stand a budgey upright in many of them which saves a lot of space you won’t do it in a suberb saloon. A superb estate would be a much better option if going that route and it’s something I’m considering myself at the moment.

Mitsi outlander is another one on my list at the moment, it’s far bigger than the likes of a cx-5 etc, it’s basially a proper 4x4 size wise.

Round trip to Galway is 260 miles according to Google.

On its own it doesn't require a diesel - even every week.

To use Stallingrads fuel economy for the Superb - it will use 5 gallons of petrol.

For prespective a Superb fuel tank is around 65 litres

bazz26

Stallingrad wrote: »

The sales figures tell a different story. They will be around for some time of course, but the writing is on the wall and people are voting with their wallets. A Superb petrol will average 6l/100km, a 1.6/2.0 diesel is only marginally better.

Not over long distances though, the more you drive a diesel the more frugal it is.
Plus a lot of cars like the Superb are fleet cars where you can claim back vat on diesel for business use.

All that will happen is that people who never should have been in a diesel in the first place will move back to alternative propulsion. Diesels will still have a place with long distance commuters and commercial purposes. They just won't make up the bulk of sales like they did for the last 10 years.

As for sales figures, brand new diesel sales are down but we still imported 100,000 cars last year and the majority of them were diesel.

murpho999

Old diesel wrote: »

Round trip to Galway is 260 miles according to Google.

On its own it doesn't require a diesel - even every week.

To use Stallingrads fuel economy for the Superb - it will use 5 gallons of petrol.

For prespective a Superb fuel tank is around 65 litres

Just wondering who uses gallons and miles any more when working out fuel efficiency?

Stallingrad

murpho999 wrote: »

Just wondering who uses gallons and miles any more when working out fuel efficiency?

The same people arguing diesel is better than petrol, dinosaurs!

Toyotafanboi

Stallingrad wrote: »

Diesel is on the way out, and anyone buying now would do well to consider what it might be worth in 5 or 6 years.

To be fair, that's slightly scaremongering.

Sure even if there was no change whatsoever in trend or fuel preference, it'll lose a rake of value over the next 6 years, so I wouldn't not buy a car that suits my needs now for fear of what it might be worth 6 years down the line because no matter what you buy or what the circumstance, it'll only ever be worth a fraction of what you pay today, they are "depreciating assets" and all that.

Unless you can suggest some kind of SUV that is going to be depreciation immune over the next 6 years.

Philb76

Few mentions of a superb being a saloon

slave1

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

I'm in a bit of a weird spot. I've a budget of 20k and looking to buy a SUV for herself who is expecting. She'll mainly be using it to drive in and out to Dublin CC, but when the child gets a little older we'll be heading up and down to Galway every weekend to see Granny and Grandad.

There's a lot of really nice diesels out there, but the thread on the future of diesels has really put me off.

I have been looking at a 2016 Rav4 and a Mazda CX-5 of the same year, both diesel.

Problem is, i think i might be barking up the wrong tree in terms of fuel efficiency and future carbon taxes etc.

Any advice would be appreciated, i've my head done in looking at cars. There's a serious range out there.

At the end of the day, we're looking for a SUV with plenty room for buggies and all associated paraphanelia that is economical to run in the city but good for long spins too!

Any advice would be much appreciated.

We had a SMax so used to space, changed to a diesel CRV and although you might not think to look at it it's massive on the inside, much wider boot and tons of room. It took the 5 of us and 5 full suitcases with 5 carry ons back from the airport no problem. I'm getting touching 60mpg in Summer and around 56mpg this time of the year, I don't have a heavy foot mind. It's now just passed 5.5years old and only needed servicing to date and new tyres.

Pkiernan

Old diesel wrote: »

Round trip to Galway is 260 miles according to Google.

On its own it doesn't require a diesel - even every week.

To use Stallingrads fuel economy for the Superb - it will use 5 gallons of petrol.

For prespective a Superb fuel tank is around 65 litres

52 mpg from a petrol Skoda Superb?

Don't think so.

Del2005

bazz26 wrote: »

Not over long distances though, the more you drive a diesel the more frugal it is.
Plus a lot of cars like the Superb are fleet cars where you can claim back vat on diesel for business use.

All that will happen is that people who never should have been in a diesel in the first place will move back to alternative propulsion. Diesels will still have a place with long distance commuters and commercial purposes. They just won't make up the bulk of sales like they did for the last 10 years.

As for sales figures, brand new diesel sales are down but we still imported 100,000 cars last year and the majority of them were diesel.

The German's are doing their dambest to keep diesel in their cities and are loosing, the French are banning Euro 4 and lower from their cities. Thousands of people are being been killed by diesel exhaust emissions and that is why they are going to be banned. Its already started on the continent and with our cities also having dangerous levels of pollution they'll follow suit soon.

The OPs car will spend most of its life crawling through traffic, where a diesel is not efficient, and a few hours a week getting a decent run. Diesel is only suitable for a tiny percentage of the time the car will be being used, so its not suitable.

Shefwedfan

SUV is not really a Rav4 or a Mazda

With your budget you could do for a proper SUV, Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Will do 30km on battery and then kick into hybrid mode. So you will save on fuel. You will need a house and driveway so you can install a charger or outside plug.

Boot is huge as well.

Dont go for a car if kids, you will soon get pi**ed off bending in and out. I had a crossover and then swapped to A6 and then eGolf. Next car will be back into Crossover just so I have that height for putting kids in & out of.....

Old diesel

Pkiernan wrote: »

52 mpg from a petrol Skoda Superb?

Don't think so.

By my calculations.

6 litres per 100 km is equal to 46.9 mpg.

Over 260 miles this would mean 5.5 gallons used

The 6 litres per 100 km came from a poster who owns that model of Superb in petrol.

drunkmonkey

Del2005 wrote: »

The German's are doing their dambest to keep diesel in their cities and are loosing, the French are banning Euro 4 and lower from their cities. Thousands of people are being been killed by diesel exhaust emissions and that is why they are going to be banned. Its already started on the continent and with our cities also having dangerous levels of pollution they'll follow suit soon.

The OPs car will spend most of its life crawling through traffic, where a diesel is not efficient, and a few hours a week getting a decent run. Diesel is only suitable for a tiny percentage of the time the car will be being used, so its not suitable.

Can you name one person or point to any article where someone has died in Europe as a direct result of being outside near a diesel car.
Not looking for thousands just 1 will do.

Shefwedfan

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can you name one person or point to any article where someone has died in Europe as a direct result of being outside near a diesel car.
Not looking for thousands just 1 will do.

Why does every thread decent into the same mess if the poster asks about staying away from diesel.


Seriously get over diesel, it's a fuel. That's all. The way some people go on you would swear it was a member of the family and you have insulted their entire family by saying you dont want to drive a diesel



Diesel is around and will be around for another while but anyone saying it wont be hit and hit hard with tax is delusional.

bazz26

Del2005 wrote: »

The German's are doing their dambest to keep diesel in their cities and are loosing, the French are banning Euro 4 and lower from their cities. Thousands of people are being been killed by diesel exhaust emissions and that is why they are going to be banned. Its already started on the continent and with our cities also having dangerous levels of pollution they'll follow suit soon.

The OPs car will spend most of its life crawling through traffic, where a diesel is not efficient, and a few hours a week getting a decent run. Diesel is only suitable for a tiny percentage of the time the car will be being used, so its not suitable.

Have a read of my post again and it's context. It was not in reference to the OP suitability for a diesel, it was in reference to the post by someone else further down the thread that a petrol Superb offers similar fuel economy to a diesel one.

And France and Germany can do what they want but diesel cars will be on Irish roads for a good few years yet.

Philb76

The seat ateca is nice petrol or diesel one is nicer to drive one is more economical the tsi engines are really good SO refined and are economical for a petrol engine you should know which suits you best

KFed

We went for a 1.6 Honda diesel c.r.v. in 2016 with first child born then in 2017. The c.r.v. is perfect for a baby. Boot space is really good, takes buggy, bags, paraphernalia etc no problem.

The opening is huge which itself is great. The doors also open that bit wider to give easy access to lift baby in and out. As someone who is 6 ft 4 and has a bad back (past surgeries) I find it the perfect car for this point in life.

The 1.6diesel (120hp) manual is no rocket but absolutely fine for daily m1 commuting. It's also really economical. We have 45km on the car in 3y and have only had oil and filter servicing, very economical car.

I'd be inclined to say an SUV type will serve you well with a little one. If you're buying a 2016 model now, in 5/6 years it'll be 8/9 years old and likely high mileage so not worth a lot. I don't think you'll need to avoid diesel for fear of it being unsaleable at that stage, no car at 8/9 years old is worth a whole lot.

Superb may be a good fit also but as someone with a bad back, I'm grateful for the extra height of an SUV for the lifting in and out of baby.

My partner is the main driver and really likes the car. We live near the c.c. and I've taken to work in c.c. occasionally. I've found it fine on the urban commute also. Clutch is nice and light.

Would recommend an s.u.v. if you have a baby on the way, we certainly don't regret it. Would make the same decision again.

Fwiw, honda have a new petrol hybrid c.r.v. it's more expensive to buy (granted there's probably new spec in there also as regards systems and tech) but it only returns the same economy as the older diesel.

I do think there's be a continual migration to petrol / hybrid but don't see Ireland and her cities and towns leading Europe in diesel bans. I reckon anyone buying a 2016 diesel is safe to end of life though tax on fuel per litre, and annual tax, may edge up over time. Don't think I'd base my purchase decision on it though.

Too many people invested for politicians to make radical decisions, they'll just incentivize the change at end of life and raise some taxes in the meantime.

Toyotafanboi

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can you name one person or point to any article where someone has died in Europe as a direct result of being outside near a diesel car.
Not looking for thousands just 1 will do.

To be fair, you've loaded that question in such a way as you know he can't answer. Nobody on here will know someone who's death can be directly attributed to NoX emissions.

It has been well and truly proven though that it is bad for human health in the short to medium term.

https://www.sei.org/featured/health-and-environmental-impacts-emissions/

Etc etc.

Del2005

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can you name one person or point to any article where someone has died in Europe as a direct result of being outside near a diesel car.
Not looking for thousands just 1 will do.

Didn't the cigarette companies use the same argument?

drunkmonkey

Del2005 wrote: »

Didn't the cigarette companies use the same argument?

The point is everything is going kill us, we can't point to diesel and say well that's the killer. Did they ever have a can of coke, ham sandwich a cohiba rolled on a virgins thighs. See loads can kill us.

Buy the car you like is the moral of the story. Don't worry about the noise on the internet.

Shefwedfan

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The point is everything is going kill us, we can't point to diesel and say well that's the killer. Did they ever have a can of coke, ham sandwich a cohiba rolled on a virgins thighs. See loads can kill us.

Buy the car you like is the moral of the story. Don't worry about the noise on the internet.

If you are spending 20k on a car and expect to sell it on at some stage then better looking at what the market is doing.


At the moment the market is shifting, in 2-3 years time your diesel will have depreciated a lot faster than a petrol/hybrid/electric equivalent.

Stallingrad

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Buy the car you like is the moral of the story. Don't worry about the noise on the internet.

This is not great advice. If I liked the idea if an orange car with red leather would you advise me buying one? It's a big investment, only a fool does not weigh up the potential future value of their purchase. Diesels will, and are becoming less attractive, that is today, who knows how far sentiment will have shifted in a few years time. That's not to say don't buy one, but go in with your eyes open.

Del2005

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The point is everything is going kill us, we can't point to diesel and say well that's the killer. Did they ever have a can of coke, ham sandwich a cohiba rolled on a virgins thighs. See loads can kill us.

Buy the car you like is the moral of the story. Don't worry about the noise on the internet.

Yes we'll all die eventually. What the issue is is that people are dieing prematurely from the particulates coming mainly from diesel exhausts, especially people who have respiratory issues or are already ill, so while you may be happy to blow cigarette smoke or diesel fumes into their lungs because you don't personally know anyone who died the rest of the world is finally realising that pushing diesels as an environmentally friendly fuel was a huge mistake.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If you are spending 20k on a car and expect to sell it on at some stage then better looking at what the market is doing.


At the moment the market is shifting, in 2-3 years time your diesel will have depreciated a lot faster than a petrol/hybrid/electric equivalent.

IMO it will not, diesels suit far too many peope in this county for this to happen and far too many types of car are far more suitable in diesel (big saloons, suvs, estate etc). There is a real anti diesel agenda being pushed in this forum and it’s not really a reflection of reality.

My next car will be diesel and I’ve no concerns about resale.

_Brian

It’s hard to beleive how much easier it is getting a kid in and out of a seat in an SUV than a saloon car, add the times a kit is struggling or resisting amd it makes life so much easier.

We bought a Kuga last summer and traded away a Mondeo, mechanically same car but the Kuga is just way more practical. Flat floor on boot is a big thing too for loading buggies etc.

Bonus for us it pulls the caravan well.

bazz26

Similar people claimed that VW diesels would be 10 a penny after dieselgate. Still waiting for those. Similar theme earlier this year claiming the government would be taxing diesel owners out of oblivion in the budget. Hasn't happened and any government with an ounce of sense won't bite the hands off of those that feed them. And just look at the French, their government endorses buying diesels for years and last year decided to suddenly start severely taxing owners, look how that turned out recently?

Reality is that there are many diesel cars on Irish roads and there will be for years to come, not everyone buys or can afford a new car especially when a small ev crossover like the Hyundai Kona still cost 38k to buy even after the current grant scheme. Until EVs become similar priced to diesel and petrol models then they will not replace either. People also seem to forget that EV tech is still in its infancy, most stuff you buy now could be obsolete in 5 years time too so I'd be just as concerned about their resale values as diesels.

No denying that diesel is harmful to humans and the planet but it's not the only contributor, go look at large cities like Beijing, Mexico and Los Angeles. Those cities have massive pollution problems for decades which are well known to have contributed to many premature deaths but hardly any vehicles in those cities are diesel. It's just very trendy these days to hate diesel and blame it for everything.

Shefwedfan

Not sure why people are going on about electric cars? The thread is asking about alternative to diesel because they are not doing the mileage.....nobody mentioned an electric car as a recommendation

I have always picked the car based on fuel requirement , I drove diesel because I did high mileage, when I stopped I swapped.

Why anyone would want to burn away your hard earned cash because you have some sort of attraction to a fuel that goes into a car baffles me.

Based on the requirements of the OP I stand by the Outlander PHEV because it meet their requirement.

Shefwedfan

_Brian wrote: »

It’s hard to beleive how much easier it is getting a kid in and out of a seat in an SUV than a saloon car, add the times a kit is struggling or resisting amd it makes life so much easier.

We bought a Kuga last summer and traded away a Mondeo, mechanically same car but the Kuga is just way more practical. Flat floor on boot is a big thing too for loading buggies etc.

Bonus for us it pulls the caravan well.

The height is brill for kids, just plugging in seat belts it’s a great help

Other option in cars is multimac which makes it a lot easier to use the seat belts on the kids in the back

ml100

I see the new Rav-4 2.5 litre hybrid has a towing capacity of only 800kg!, i think its a mistake for Toyota not to sell petrol only here, these electric/part electric cars aren't suitable for everyone yet, if I was doing low mileage I'd have no problem with petrol.

We have an s-max (2.0 diesel) for carting the kids around, great car for the job, but compared to the previous model they have gotten very expensive new now, cheapest smax is 10k more than 4 years ago!

ddarcy

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If you are spending 20k on a car and expect to sell it on at some stage then better looking at what the market is doing.


At the moment the market is shifting, in 2-3 years time your diesel will have depreciated a lot faster than a petrol/hybrid/electric equivalent.

I wouldn’t say the market is shifting I’d say it’s correcting. I drove a petrol mondeo as my first car here. They are now bringing back petrol with a hybrid version. But in 2008 the government essentially made diesel out to be the be all end all engine. And most of the populace here is too stupid to make a rational decision on their own. The reality is that with small mileage you would get essentially the same fuel burn in a petrol and diesel. You just paid more for the Diesel engine and associated problems.

I would say look at your mileage and decide. If you’re doing long trips at high speed a diesel will be your choice, long trips at low speed would be petrol or hybrid. The same with short / inner city, although electric is perfect in this case.

You can add electric to all categories above, but you’ll have to take into account charging points, if you do long drives will you get one or not. Then is it a fast charger or not. And being Ireland is it working or not or more likely is some gobsh!te parked in the spot blocking access and not using it. Giving how long planning takes in this country I’d say we are still at least 20 years from people going electric.

The Bishop Basher

Casen Immense Armor wrote: »

There is a real anti diesel agenda being pushed in this forum and it’s not really a reflection of reality.

Monkey see, monkey do.

One person says something negative, the herd lap it up and repeat it ad nauseum thinking they sound very knowledgeable about diesel.

Of course none of them actually drive diesels and those of us that do know they’re talking nonsense but that doesn’t stop them.

I’d be far more concerned about buying an EV who’s range and technology is likely to be redundant in 5 years time then buying a diesel which will still have a market for those doing longer trips and those of us who prefer the cheaper motoring. Throw in the fact that you can pick up a lively diesel for a few grand and it’s a no brainer.

The other great argument is that tax will increase on Diesel and I’m sure it will in time but not as fast as it’ll increase on EV’s when the government realize they have to make up the shortfall.

OP has said they’ll be doing longer spins and city driving which would mean petrol or diesel would be a runner but if they’re doing any decent runs at all they’d be far better off with the diesel, especially if buying an SUV.

The scaremongering by some on this board is just as bad as the salesmen who were selling diesels to granny’s driving to the shops once a week. Both are giving bad advice and costing people money.

The Bishop Basher

ddarcy wrote: »

But in 2008 the government essentially made diesel out to be the be all end all engine. And most of the populace here is too stupid to make a rational decision on their own. The reality is that with small mileage you would get essentially the same fuel burn in a petrol and diesel. You just paid more for the Diesel engine and associated problems.

Right on cue..

ddarcy wrote: »

I would say look at your mileage and decide. If you’re doing long trips at high speed a diesel will be your choice, long trips at low speed would be petrol or hybrid. The same with short / inner city, although electric is perfect in this case.

The vast majority of people will do a bit of both. Where does that leave them ?

Shefwedfan

Rennaws wrote: »

I’d be far more concerned about buying an EV who’s range and technology is likely to be redundant in 5 years time then buying a diesel which will still have a market for those doing longer trips and those of us who prefer the cheaper motoring. Throw in the fact that you can pick up a lively diesel for a few grand and it’s a no brainer.

Buy any electric car with a 40-60kWh battery and in 5 years time you will be walking in to buy its replacement with a 40-60kWh battery

The technology will level out now. The next development will be solid state and you will be talking maybe 2026 before you start to see companies talk about putting into a car

ddarcy

Rennaws wrote: »

The vast majority of people will do a bit of both. Where does that leave them ?

If you are truly doing a long drive per week then a diesel is fine as you should be able to ensure the DPF doesn’t get clogged. If it more a once a month thing a hybrid and even petrol could work. And electric could work as well but you’d need to plan for it. Each answer for each person is different. A general rule I’ve been given is that for every 400 km driven you need to have a solid run for 50km (30 minute) in top gear. If you can’t meet that then look elsewhere as diesel costs will come back and cripple you. Albeit I think that may be a bit conservative.

But for the OP if not looking for diesel a RAV4 could be good. Just ensure if hybrid you’re happy with the space. If new the t-roc petrol is actually quite nice and seems efficient. I think VW has come up with a few efficient things petrol engines compared with competitors.

Stallingrad

Rennaws wrote: »

The scaremongering by some on this board is just as bad as the salesmen who were selling diesels to granny’s driving to the shops once a week. Both are giving bad advice and costing people money.

Not scaremongering, just dealing in facts. UK figures below, as usual we wont be far behind trend.

UK diesel registrations down 20% year-on-year in January
40% over 24 months

bazz26

And we imported just over 100,000 cars in 2018 with 75,000 of those being diesel. Those figures are available from SIMI.

Shefwedfan

bazz26 wrote: »

And we imported just over 100,000 cars in 2018 with 75,000 of those being diesel. Those figures are available from SIMI.

Yes because they can't sell them in the UK so the dealers are picking up cheap and floggin over here

bazz26

And it reinforces the figures and the point that there is still demand for diesel cars here.

almostover

ml100 wrote: »

I see the new Rav-4 2.5 litre hybrid has a towing capacity of only 800kg!, i think its a mistake for Toyota not to sell petrol only here, these electric/part electric cars aren't suitable for everyone yet, if I was doing low mileage I'd have no problem with petrol.

We have an s-max (2.0 diesel) for carting the kids around, great car for the job, but compared to the previous model they have gotten very expensive new now, cheapest smax is 10k more than 4 years ago!

You're only qualified to tow 750kg with a standard car license. Anyone who needs to lug anything bigger will purchase a Hilux or land cruiser. The vast majority of RAV4 buyers are purchasing an SUV for added height and ease of access. They'll still be able to tow a small car trailer.

The Bishop Basher

Stallingrad wrote: »

Not scaremongering, just dealing in facts. UK figures below, as usual we wont be far behind trend.

UK diesel registrations down 20% year-on-year in January
40% over 24 months

I meant scaremongering with regard to the mythical issues and magical service costs with Diesel which people on bairds are so fond of preaching about but your argument has also been well and truely put to bed by subsequent posters so no need for me to respond.

Shefwedfan

bazz26 wrote: »

And it reinforces the figures and the point that there is still demand for diesel cars here.

What it reinforces is that the Irish market is behind the curve. As usual.

It would be brillant if for once Ireland was ahead of the curve.....that will never happen in Ireland, too many people stuck in rut and happen to stay in it.....

The Bishop Basher

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What it reinforces is that the Irish market is behind the curve. As usual.

It would be brillant if for once Ireland was ahead of the curve.....that will never happen in Ireland, too many people stuck in rut and happen to stay in it.....

But not everyone wants to drive a leaf.

And not everyone wants to get themselves into debt for a car.

I like the tourque, grunt and power of the diesel and I like the fact that I can fill a tank and not worry about it for a few weeks. That I can drive from Dublin to Galway or Cork and back and not have to worry about range. I like the fact that I can pick up a decent car for a few grand and have years of cheap hassle free motoring with it.

Your experience is just that. Yours. Not everyone shares your passion for EV’s or could be arsed with the cost of buying one and the hassle of trying to drive one.

Maybe in a few years but for many of us it’ll be a good few years before were enticed away by a better option then diesel offers right now.

bazz26

Funny how people like the world to work.

Get sheep to buy xxx by telling them it's good and make it cheaper to buy, then later on tell sheep that xxx is actually bad and sheep must be penalised for owning or buying it. Then get sheep to buy yyy because it's better, cheaper to own than xxx and sheep should be leading the way.

Rince, wash and repeat every few years.