Why do we put up with this?.

Ultimate Seduction

Yesterday we had a man with no previous motoring convictions sent to jail for doing 160kph on a motorway.


Today we have a man get off free after admitting carless driving causing death to a woman

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1086292574254567424?s=19

biko

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

carless driving

Hmm

Guy:Incognito

That woman caused he own death. Sitting in a broken down car in the middle of the motorway? Ffs. And in the rain.

You're not supposed to stay in a broken down car in the hard shoulder, nevermind in a driving lane.

Deebles McBeebles

biko wrote: »

Hmm

OP meant driverless car.

begbysback

Yet another outrage thread without finding out the facts first.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

I understand that hindsight is fantastic, but is it not advised to leave your car and stand behind the barrier in these cases?

saw the thread and hoped to jasus the OP was on about the new childrens hospital!! that in itself needs to be marched on, greedy snouts in the trough again!

punisher5112

The truck driver didn't get up that morning and go I'm going to kill her.

Ridiculous sentence to be honest.

Very sad case and I feel bad for all it's affected.

There are many reasons why he may have missed the car such as extra spray off other vehicles, rain was even worse at them few seconds, anything at all could have changed.

punisher5112

Camilla Lively Sugar wrote: »

I understand that hindsight is fantastic, but is it not advised to leave your car and stand behind the barrier in these cases?

If you can it's safer then sitting in a tin box getting ready to be sqaushed.

topper75

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

That woman caused he own death. Sitting in a broken down car in the middle of the motorway? Ffs. And in the rain.

You're not supposed to stay in a broken down car in the hard shoulder, nevermind in a driving lane.

Contributed to is a better term than caused here.

Please folks - heed the recommendation. Get out of the broken down vehicle when safe to do so and get behind the barrier. Even if it is dark and rainy you are better off.

Riskymove

punisher5112 wrote: »

There are many reasons why he may have missed the car

yes we could think of others and of course not every detail of the case is set out in the article

but in fairness, the Garda investigated and the DPP felt there was a case to charge him with careless driving

he also pleaded guilty to careless driving

there is clearly a lot of sympathy for the guy from all, including the judge, but a person is dead and the driver accepted he was in the wrong

Guy:Incognito

Riskymove wrote: »

he also pleaded guilty to careless driving

I doubt he decided that himself. I'd imagine his solicitor told him it was his best shout.

Like it or not, theres a serious issue in this country with "dont speak ill of the dead" , regardless of how stupid their actions were.

punisher5112

Riskymove wrote: »

yes we could think of others and of course not every detail of the case is set out in the article

but in fairness, the Garda investigated and the DPP felt there was a case to charge him with careless driving

he also pleaded guilty to careless driving

there is clearly a lot of sympathy for the guy from all, including the judge, but a person is dead and the driver accepted he was in the wrong

I had false allegations made against me and the dpp put it forward and was in court 4 times over it.

The Gaurd which I never met or had any dealings with me was the one that brought me to court and made false statements and also copy and pasted 2 of these and one witness on my side was given a totally different name on his actual statement and never told of the court dates.

I was extremely disappointed with my solicitor as he put off bringing this up and ended up costing me a fortune and days off work and a missed holiday paid and all for.

I have absolutely no problems backing my claims up and have all statements from both sides.



The Gaurd I did deal with was meant to be on CCTV duty that day but somehow was outside and then produced video footage of the exact spot the incident happened but 20 minutes after the fact.

I am so disappointed in the force and dpp over it but have to take each one as they are and hope the corrupt ones are found out for what they are and they are scum.

Riskymove

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I doubt he decided that himself. I'd imagine his solicitor told him it was his best shout.

or maybe it was the truth and he did decide himself

none of us know

Riskymove

punisher5112 wrote: »

I had false allegations made against me

I'm sorry to hear that but that hardly applies here does it

the collision happened and he admits inattention

I mean I share in the sympathy for the guy but it is hardly a stitch up is it

punisher5112

Riskymove wrote: »

I'm sorry to hear that but that hardly applies here does it

the collision happened and he admits inattention

I mean I share in the sympathy for the guy but it is hardly a stitch up is it

No but he was advised most likely.

Very unfortunate for both as his life is ruined also.

Please don't get me wrong if he of course fcuked up then he needs to be punished and rightly so.

It's more so maybe something could come from this where it's used to educate and hopefully save others.

Best example is look at the USA police and the amount that are hit, taken out and these have a serious set up of LED lights all over their cars but yet are still not seen day and night.

People are tired, distracted, don't react quickly or as good as others etc etc.

Driver training on motorway use as part of the test should be in place.

Riskymove

punisher5112 wrote: »

Driver training on motorway use as part of the test should be in place.

just to be clear I fully agree that people should know what to do in the event of breaking down like this

dinneenp

Can't find the story re 160 on the motorway, anyone have it please?

Guy:Incognito

At 30 metres a second, (assuming he was driving at 100 km an hour) you're on top of something very quickly . Especially something like a lone car campletely stopped . Its totally unexpected. Heavy rain will only add to that. Even if he had seen the hazards it probably would have taken a couple of seconds to realise it wasnt in the hard shoulder, then he's to try stop a truck in the rain..........

Mint Sauce

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Yesterday we had a man with no previous motoring convictions sent to jail for doing 160kph on a motorway.


Today we have a man get off free after admitting carless driving causing death to a woman

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1086292574254567424?s=19

Said woman was sitting in a broken down car, in the over taking lane, in the rain.

Neither the 160kph driver, or the truck driver deserved prison, and the truck driver will be haunted by it for the rest of his life. He has possiblly also lost his job, and livelyhood, due to the four year driver ban, and will probably never drive again anyway even after the four years is up.

Ultimate Seduction

Should the 160kmp driver been jailed?

3rdDegree

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Should the 160kmp driver been jailed?

I don't think so.

Ultimate Seduction

3rdDegree wrote: »

I don't think so.

Should Barry have been jailed?

tigerboon

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Yesterday we had a man with no previous motoring convictions sent to jail for doing 160kph on a motorway.


Today we have a man get off free after admitting carless driving causing death to a woman

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1086292574254567424?s=19

Because this ****hole has a legal industry not a justice system

Sam Quentin

Harsh on the truck driver..I feel he has suffered enough, the 4yr ban is totally life changing for that guy. No mention of drink, no mention of speeding, no mention of phone etc.. nothing,, just a terrible accident that could happen to anyone in those particular circumstances and weather conditions.

whiskeyman

topper75 wrote: »

Contributed to is a better term than caused here.

Please folks - heed the recommendation. Get out of the broken down vehicle when safe to do so and get behind the barrier. Even if it is dark and rainy you are better off.

It's a tricky one if broken down on a motorway on the overtaking lanes.
The advice given is 'if you cant, for whatever reason, move into the hard shoulder, stay in the car with hazards and call the emergency services'.

She could have been disabled / unable to move quick or feared she could have been killed trying to cross over to the embankment with such poor visibility in fairness.
The onus is on other drivers to see any obstacle etc... which other drivers did report seeing.

Still, it's an awful case.
If highlights the dangers of driving that so many of us take for granted.

Wanderer78

Fuaranach wrote:

Martina, the lady who was killed, was consistently lovely. She worked in the UCD shop in the library building and would always have a smile on her.

How long was she working there? I was a student there a couple of years ago. That's very sad news, rip