Martin O'Neill. an embarassment.

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sorry folks but i've lost all respect for our erstwhile manager. his latest attempt to promote roy keane as his 2nd in command at Nottingham Forrest is nothing short of embarrassing.

O'Neill said: "I would dearly like him (Keane) to join us. Since this has happened very quickly he has a number of things to sort out himself. There's a spot open for him and I hope it happens. It may not, as he has a few things to sort out himself both personally and professionally.

"He was a great asset to me at Republic of Ireland and we had some really great days.

"He can be a handful. He was a special player, a fantastic footballer who drove Manchester United on for 10 years and you don't win those things just sitting around."

Give over Martin! isn't it time you accepted the guy is a liability, and do the decent thing and cut him loose.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/he-can-be-a-handful-martin-oneill-expresses-hope-that-special-roy-keane-will-join-him-at-nottingham-forest-37722024.html

Tell me how

Think Roy might less of a liability than Martin at this stage.

If he landed himself in a club with enough players of a similar mentality to him I would still expect him to do well. But, such players are thin on the ground and he is not best dealing with the newer breed it does seem.

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Tell me how wrote: »

Think Roy might less of a liability than Martin at this stage.

If he landed himself in a club with enough players of a similar mentality to him I would still expect him to do well. But, such players are thin on the ground and he is not best dealing with the newer breed it does seem.

i have always viewed keane as a wrecker. a good player but a terrible man-manager. i think his abrasive personality is unsuited for modernday management.

Marengo

Roy a liability and Martin’s judgement has gone completely. Martin is equally as stubborn.

Seems to be a great bond between the two!

Klonker

No team on the world in world would pay it's assistant manager €600k a year, not even close. Well apart from Ireland that is.

squawker

think ye should all take aim at that buffon Delaney for the present shambles of the Irish Football Team

years of mismanagement and cronyism has led us to this debacle

off with his fat fcuking head

Marengo

Klonker wrote: »

No team on the world in world would pay it's assistant manager €600k a year, not even close. Well apart from Ireland that is.

We seem to do it across the board, politicians, RTÉ staff.. And we won’t pay nurses adequately.

Marengo

squawker wrote: »

think ye should all take aim at that buffon Delaney for the present shambles of the Irish Football Team

years of mismanagement and cronyism has led us to this debacle

off with his fat fcuking head

Completely useless clown. Should be long gone.

frag420

I’ve hated that knob Keane ever since Saipan...he is an opinionated mouthpiece and a shït manager!

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Marengo wrote: »

Roy a liability and Martin’s judgement has gone completely. Martin is equally as stubborn.

Seems to be a great bond between the two!

indeed. i heard the interview on radio earlier, and O'Neill came accross as quite emotional while effusing about him.
all quite strange and totally unprofessional imo.

Marengo

frag420 wrote: »

I’ve hated that knob Keane ever since Saipan...he is an opinionated mouthpiece and a shït manager!

Yeah I was blinded by his ‘striving for perfection’ crap at the time but as the years have gone by I changed my opinion.

Odhinn

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

sorry folks but i've lost all respect for our erstwhile manager. his latest attempt to promote roy keane as his 2nd in command at Nottingham Forrest is nothing short of embarrassing.

O'Neill said: "I would dearly like him (Keane) to join us. Since this has happened very quickly he has a number of things to sort out himself. There's a spot open for him and I hope it happens. It may not, as he has a few things to sort out himself both personally and professionally.

"He was a great asset to me at Republic of Ireland and we had some really great days.

"He can be a handful. He was a special player, a fantastic footballer who drove Manchester United on for 10 years and you don't win those things just sitting around."

Give over Martin! isn't it time you accepted the guy is a liability, and do the decent thing and cut him loose.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/he-can-be-a-handful-martin-oneill-expresses-hope-that-special-roy-keane-will-join-him-at-nottingham-forest-37722024.html

...it's easy to imagine Forrest about to lodge a complaint about abuse from the visitor stands when somebody points out it was a Keane "pep-talk" from the sidelines.

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Marengo wrote: »

We seem to do it across the board, politicians, RTÉ staff.. And we won’t pay nurses adequately.

Aye! we have a habit of paying caviar and still getting monkeys.

Mantis Toboggan

Don't see what's embarrassing about that?

Marengo

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

Aye! we have a habit of paying caviar and still getting monkeys.

Nice way of putting it:D

Marengo

Keane’s role with the Republic was bizarre the last few years.

Comedian: All the witty press conferences. Mentioning Robbie Keane should be available for a game after the birth of his child as he wasn’t breast feeding

Falling out with players..

Football wise what did he contribute..

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Marengo wrote: »

Yeah I was blinded by his ‘striving for perfection’ crap at the time but as the years have gone by I changed my opinion.

when you consider how close we got to getting into the semis that time ... losing out to Mendiata's peno
and contrast with our more recent "form" it makes me cry. almost.

Marengo

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

when you consider how close we got to getting into the semis that time ...
and contrast with our more recent "form" it makes me cry. almost.

Quality of player has really dropped.

If you’re old enough to rem the Charlton years when 7/8 players were with top first division, as it was then, teams. The others lower first division and maybe one player outside it or from Celtic.

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Marengo wrote: »

Quality of player has really dropped.

If you’re old enough to rem the Charlton years when 7/8 players were with top first division, as it was then, teams. The others lower first division and maybe one player outside it or from Celtic.

there's no denying it. how many Rep players regularily play 1st team for the top 6 premiership sides?

i'm guessing 1 or 2 at most.

Marengo

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

there's no denying it. how many Rep players regularily play 1st team for the top 6 premiership sides?

i'm guessing 1 or 2 at most.

Seamus Coleman?

NIMAN

What the f**k are Forest thinking?

Absolute waste of money, and those 2 muppets won't come cheap.

For Forks Sake

Marengo wrote: »

Seamus Coleman?

Everton aren't a top-6 club.

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Marengo wrote: »

Seamus Coleman?

not even top 6. 10th atm.
i wonder if that West Ham lad Rice will declare for us?

DEFTLEFTHAND

There goes Forest's playoff hopes.

They should have kept Karanka ,they were playing some real nice football under him this season.




Also I'm sure the players don't want that madman Keane anywhere near the club.

Marengo

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Everton aren't a top-6 club.

I know. They’ve occasionally hit 6th place over the last 4 years:D

Just goes to show how poor our situation is. Clutching at straws.

The Talking Bread

Marengo wrote: »

I know. They’ve occasionally hit 6th place over the last 4 years:D

Just goes to show how poor our situation is. Clutching at straws.

They have finished 8th, 7th, 11th and 11th in last 4 seasons....

So, yeah, definitely clutching at straws

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The Talking Bread wrote: »

They have finished 8th, 7th, 11th and 11th in last 4 seasons....

So, yeah, definitely clutching at straws

i think we can all agree the dearth of real top level talent available to us is shockingly bad. personally i dont think Matt Busby, Shankly and Cloughie combined would get far with our current squad.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Klonker wrote: »

No team on the world in world would pay it's assistant manager €600k a year, not even close. Well apart from Ireland that is.

Chris Coleman was on 300k a yr when he led Wales to a Euro semi final.

These are the type of salaries a small FA like ours should be paying to the top man, never mind the No. 2.

Marengo

The Talking Bread wrote: »

They have finished 8th, 7th, 11th and 11th in last 4 seasons....

So, yeah, definitely clutching at straws

I said occasionally hit 6th place during the campaigns. Generally around mid to late August:D

Beechwoodspark

ONeill was bloody useless managing Ireland.

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Beechwoodspark wrote: »

ONeill was bloody useless managing Ireland.

maybe he want keane on board to deflect some of the heat away from himself?

NIMAN

IMHO Forest won't get a play-off spot now, but sure there'll be a bit of craic at their press conferences.

magma69

What's so embarrassing about wanting to bring an assistant to a new job. Managers have been doing it for as long as the game existed?

This thread is just a big "I don't like Roy Keane" whinge. Dry your eyes pal.

Marengo

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

ONeill was bloody useless managing Ireland.

A has been. We’re very fond of has beens rather than up and coming talent. And then the one time they go for youth they pick Stan the Gaffer:o

The Talking Bread

Right I am off to the Forest fan forum to assess the carnage!

goose2005

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

i have always viewed keane as a wrecker. a good player but a terrible man-manager. i think his abrasive personality is unsuited for modernday management.

A good player doesn't make a good manager, anymore than a good chef makes a good farmer.

Atoms for Peace

Roy is the boy and anyone who thinks otherwise is an absolute Langer.

Marengo

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Roy is the boy and anyone who thinks otherwise is an absolute Langer.

Roy is the boy that never became the man:)

No that’s overly harsh. As a Man U footballer 1993-2005, he was the man. Just other aspects of his personality he never developed.

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NIMAN wrote: »

IMHO Forest won't get a play-off spot now, but sure there'll be a bit of craic at their press conferences.

reminds me of when keane took over at Ipswich Town. they were actually doing quite well having just missed out on promotion under Magilton.
Keane arrived. pi€€ed off the players. lost their backing and well the rest is history.

Church on Tuesday

I wouldn't call the man an embarrassment.

He's a highly decorated former player and manager and for the most part did a good job with a bang average Ireland team, just getting to the Euros was a huge achievement.

I wish him the very best at Forrest.

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Marengo wrote: »

Roy is the boy that never became the man:)

No that’s overly harsh. As a Man U footballer 1993-2005, he was the man. Just other aspects of his personality he never developed.

i would contend he is emotionally underdeveloped.
maybe he might feature on a Gillette advert?

DeanAustin

I’m amazed to see how far Keanes stock has fallen in the last 10-15 years in the eyes of the general public. You couldn’t move for the people telling you what a great manager he’d make because “he has a winning mentality and will always strive for perfection.”

You don’t manage people buy roaring at them or giving them the proverbial kick up the hole as your only motivational tool. And Keane was always going to be that type of manager.

Ill leave aside the rather ropey logic of him always wanting to win which was always bollox. Roy Keane was a great player but he always wanted what suited Roy Keane best. Most of the time that was winning football games and, as a player, he contributed a lot to that cause. But when Roy Keane wanted to settle scores (Haaland, McAteer, Southgate), he didn’t give a flying **** about winning games.

Marengo

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

I wouldn't call the man an embarrassment.

He's a highly decorated former player and manager and for the most part did a good job with a bang average Ireland team, just getting to the Euros was a huge achievement.

I wish him the very best at Forrest.

6 years ago I would totally agree with you.

I think more than his results with Ireland I disliked how dismissive he was of the media. Decent guys like Tony O’Donohue. O’Neill became unbearably self righteous towards the end of his term.

Marengo

DeanAustin wrote: »

I’m amazed to see how far Keanes stock has fallen in the last 10-15 years in the eyes of the general public. You couldn’t move for the people telling you what a great manager he’d make because “he has a winning mentality and will always strive for perfection.”

You don’t manage people buy roaring at them or giving them the proverbial kick up the hole as your only motivational tool. And Keane was always going to be that type of manager.

Ill leave aside the rather ropey logic of him always wanting to win which was always bollox. Roy Keane was a great player but he always wanted what suited Roy Keane best. Most of the time that was winning football games and, as a player, he contributed a lot to that cause. But when Roy Keane wanted to settle scores (Haaland, McAteer, Southgate), he didn’t give a flying **** about winning games.

Exactly. That style of management is 1980s. Note how Alex Ferguson developed to get the best out of footballers in the 2000s.

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Skylinehead

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=151

Soccer forum, not AH, for football please.