Design & Cost of 200 Yards Long Farm Passage

Chevy RV

Hello Everybody,

I own some land that i have leased out and am now looking at doing a Seven Year lease for the farmer renting it.

It is good land used as an outside farm for farmer renting it - mainly for Silage, Dry cattle,Calves etc as he keeps his cows nearer home.

He is looking for a Passage way put in that would be c. 200 Yards long to connect to another existing Passage way there already.

I am trying to figure it two main things:

(1) What design in terms of spec should be used in such a passage..e.g. what width and depth and material should be used.

(2) How much is it likely to cost based on the type spec you would recommend above?

Your thoughts or experience of these issues would be most welcome as well as any other comments or general input /things i should watch out for.


Regards,


Chevy RV

wrangler

Chevy RV wrote: »

Hello Everybody,

I own some land that i have leased out and am now looking at doing a Seven Year lease for the farmer renting it.

It is good land used as an outside farm for farmer renting it - mainly for Silage, Dry cattle,Calves etc as he keeps his cows nearer home.

He is looking for a Passage way put in that would be c. 200 Yards long to connect to another existing Passage way there already.

I am trying to figure it two main things:

(1) What design in terms of spec should be used in such a passage..e.g. what width and depth and material should be used.

(2) How much is it likely to cost based on the type spec you would recommend above?

Your thoughts or experience of these issues would be most welcome as well as any other comments or general input /things i should watch out for.


Regards,


Chevy RV

Why not let him do it if he wants it,

Quote from teagasc here.

''A typical contract price for a 4 metre wide roadway, laid on the surface of the ground, is around €18 to €22 plus 13.5% VAT per metre run for supplying materials and laying the roadway. Cow tracks can be installed as extra roadways, as spur roadways off the normal wider roadways or at the end of the main farm roadway''

Here's the link
https://www.teagasc.ie/media/website/rural-economy/farm-management/Design_Construction2009.pdf

Brown Podzol

Capital costs incurred by the leasee are usually paid for by the leasee but given a life, eg the roadway say 20 years. If the lease is not extended or renewed after 7 years then 13/20 of the price is returned to the leasse and prorate.

wrangler

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Capital costs incurred by the leasee are usually paid for by the leasee but given a life, eg the roadway say 20 years. If the lease is not extended or renewed after 7 years then 13/20 of the price is returned to the leasse and prorate.

A 200 yard road way is a big investment for a farm that isn't a dairy farm, the landlord shouldn't have to agree to those conditions if it isn't worth it to him.

49801

What’s the ground like?

Any reason why OP can’t just fence it and clear ditch opening and leave it at that?

Mooooo

You could invert the subsoil and topsoil, can be returned then if needs be. Haven't done it so dunno how it works out but I'd imagine it would be cattle only as opposed to machinery traveling it.

alps

wrangler wrote: »

A 200 yard road way is a big investment for a farm that isn't a dairy farm, the landlord shouldn't have to agree to those conditions if it isn't worth it to him.

Unless it's for convenience, like avoiding traffic through an existing yard or keep away from a house. May also be preferential to keep road clean at exit if it's going to be something like drawing silage out in front of houses.

alps

Capital costs in other countries are often covered by the landowner with a pro rata increase in the rental or lease price....

In a case like this, if the landowner could use the cost as a taxable expense and also raise land rent accordingly, which could be tax free in this case, then it may be an option not to overlook.

Keepgrowing

Farm roadway 4m wide will cost €15/linear meter. That’s with all materials bought in and digger hire. We’ve never managed it cheaper. That’s without removing top soil which I would not recommend. If you start that craic you’ll incur removal costs, making good costs and extra stone to bring road level over field level.

It will certainly add value to your land. I would however build a maintenance cost into you’re agreement ie if you’re providing the road the tennant needs to up keep it. A surface dressing every 5-7 years or something along those lines

Chevy RV

Quote from teagasc here.

''A typical contract price for a 4 metre wide roadway, laid on the surface of the ground, is around €18 to €22 plus 13.5% VAT per metre run for supplying materials and laying the roadway. Cow tracks can be installed as extra roadways, as spur roadways off the normal wider roadways or at the end of the main farm roadway''

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Farm roadway 4m wide will cost €15/linear meter. That’s with all materials bought in and digger hire. We’ve never managed it cheaper. That’s without removing top soil which I would not recommend. If you start that craic you’ll incur removal costs, making good costs and extra stone to bring road level over field level.

It will certainly add value to your land. I would however build a maintenance cost into you’re agreement ie if you’re providing the road the tennant needs to up keep it. A surface dressing every 5-7 years or something along those lines

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Thanks for the replies everybody. There seems to be quite a difference here. Would these Passageways be strong enough for Machinery for Silage or Slurry spreading to pass over without doing too much damage?


Regards,


Chevy RV

Keepgrowing

Chevy RV wrote: »

Quote from teagasc here.

''A typical contract price for a 4 metre wide roadway, laid on the surface of the ground, is around €18 to €22 plus 13.5% VAT per metre run for supplying materials and laying the roadway. Cow tracks can be installed as extra roadways, as spur roadways off the normal wider roadways or at the end of the main farm roadway''

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Farm roadway 4m wide will cost €15/linear meter. That’s with all materials bought in and digger hire. We’ve never managed it cheaper. That’s without removing top soil which I would not recommend. If you start that craic you’ll incur removal costs, making good costs and extra stone to bring road level over field level.

It will certainly add value to your land. I would however build a maintenance cost into you’re agreement ie if you’re providing the road the tennant needs to up keep it. A surface dressing every 5-7 years or something along those lines

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Thanks for the replies everybody. There seems to be quite a difference here. Would these Passageways be strong enough for Machinery for Silage or Slurry spreading to pass over without doing too much damage?


Regards,


Chevy RV

Yes, provided it’s not an everyday occurrence

Teagasc costs would involve removal of top soil an absolutely unnecessary expense. Any time we did it the cost past €20/m

Melodeon

For whatever it's worth, The Forest Service grand aid forestry roads at the rate of €40/linear meter.
This is generally considered to be sufficient to build a road suitable for intermittent HGV traffic over relatively challenging terrain.
Forest roads almost always involve a certain amount of site clearance, foundation work, and the formation of roadside drainage and embankments, as well as the actual road structure and surface.
I'd be hopeful that half that (€20/linear meter) would build a pretty good farm road on decent ground.

Mooooo

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Yes, provided it’s not an everyday occurrence

Teagasc costs would involve removal of top soil an absolutely unnecessary expense. Any time we did it the cost past €20/m

Would depend on the ground in question I would imagine. I always thought removal of topsoil would prolong the life of a roadway in any type of ground?

Markcheese

I suppose if you can make good use of the topsoil somewhere else,.... seem a waste to plough it under unless it's a temporary road way...
And that's be a lot of loads of infill to replace the topsoil... Does anyone use geo fabric to separate fill from the soil? Or is it just too dear ?