Selling a vehicle without Vehicle Registration Certificate

Av8or

As the title suggests, is this possible? Here's the scenario - I had a problem with a minibus during mid 2018 and purchased a temporary replacement from the UK. I paid the VRT and had the vehicle CVRT'd but, at the same time, had my original one repaired. So, the replacement vehicle was not insured or taxed (as it has been off the road, which I didn't declare!). As the vehicle wasn't taxed, I never received the VRC.

The question is, can I sell the vehicle such that the new owner can insure and tax it and, therefore, get the VRC?

CJhaughey

Av8or wrote: »

As the title suggests, is this possible? Here's the scenario - I had a problem with a minibus during mid 2018 and purchased a temporary replacement from the UK. I paid the VRT and had the vehicle CVRT'd but, at the same time, had my original one repaired. So, the replacement vehicle was not insured or taxed (as it has been off the road, which I didn't declare!). As the vehicle wasn't taxed, I never received the VRC.

The question is, can I sell the vehicle such that the new owner can insure and tax it and, therefore, get the VRC?

Why not put 3 mths tax on it and you will have a much better chance of selling it?
I think a lot of people may be put off by the fact that you have no VRC, it looks dodgy and may leave them liable to pay the back tax.

colm_mcm

I think the op will be liable for back tax too unless they declared it off the road once it was registered.

CJhaughey

colm_mcm wrote: »

I think the op will be liable for back tax too unless they declared it off the road once it was registered.

True. Either way it’s better for the op to get it sorted than trying to convince a potential buyer that it’s legit.

Av8or

A new purchaser is only liable for road tax from the month they purchased it and they do not have to pay back tax. There are plenty of online references to this.

My issue is that, in order to tax it, I have to a) pay the back tax from July (€834) b) pay for 3 months tax (€392) plus whatever it is going to cost me to insure it (as it cannot be taxed without insurance cover).

As this vehicle would have been only used for our commercial business (courtesy bus for non-paying passengers), I am less than happy to pay these exorbitant levels of road tax in the first place when it is 100% not being used for private use.

Maybe I'll just sell it to someone I find around the house :-)

CJhaughey

Av8or wrote: »

A new purchaser is only liable for road tax from the month they purchased it and they do not have to pay back tax. There are plenty of online references to this.

My issue is that, in order to tax it, I have to a) pay the back tax from July (€834) b) pay for 3 months tax (€392) plus whatever it is going to cost me to insure it (as it cannot be taxed without insurance cover).

As this vehicle would have been only used for our commercial business (courtesy bus for non-paying passengers), I am less than happy to pay these exorbitant levels of road tax in the first place when it is 100% not being used for private use.

Maybe I'll just sell it to someone I find around the house :-)

For a second hand vehicle (taxed before), motor tax arrears (back tax) become due from the beginning of the month after sale. For a brand new/imported vehicle, motor tax arrears become due from the beginning of the month after registration.

That’s what the motor tax office says on it.

Let us know how you get on.

Marcusm

Av8or wrote: »

As the title suggests, is this possible? Here's the scenario - I had a problem with a minibus during mid 2018 and purchased a temporary replacement from the UK. I paid the VRT and had the vehicle CVRT'd but, at the same time, had my original one repaired. So, the replacement vehicle was not insured or taxed (as it has been off the road, which I didn't declare!). As the vehicle wasn't taxed, I never received the VRC.

The question is, can I sell the vehicle such that the new owner can insure and tax it and, therefore, get the VRC?

Someone might buy it from you if you explained the whole story and only exchanged car/cash after paperwork clears. Unsure how the new buyer can tax it without arrears until change if o/ship is processed.

CJhaughey

From my reading of it, the first owner is liable to pay back tax or declare off the road.
If it wasn't taxed and not declared off the road I think you are liable no matter if you just bought it or not.
I'd be interested to see the outcome but I suspect it will come down to the fact that it should have been taxed or declared offroad immediately after it was cleared.