Going to America for 80 days

Question96

Hey all
I am on a dissibilty allowance payment of 198.00,euro a week payed electronic to my bank account each week, and I am going on holiday for 80 days in New york, will the DA still pay this when I'm abroad and do I have to notify them of my vacation

Funkfield

80 day holiday?!?!?!

Question96

Funkfield wrote: »

80 day holiday?!?!?!

Sure am

myshirt

It will be stopped, or worse if you didn't inform them and they had to discover it themselves.

But think about it, what's wrong with pausing the payment while you are over there? 198 euro per week is a lot of money and the State have been good enough to support you week in week out to date. There are others in the country who need support, that's the logic.

Best wishes and enjoy the holiday.

judeboy101

Well that beats banagher.

Car99

Disability Allowance can be paid if you are studying an approved course outside the State under the Back to Education Allowance scheme or getting medical treatment not available in Ireland. You must notify the Department and provide proof of medical treatment or education abroad. Under legislation you have no entitlement to be paid Disability Allowance while on holiday. However, in practice Disability Allowance may be paid for 2-3 weeks while you are on holiday abroad. You should inform the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection before you go on holiday.

Question96

Car99 wrote: »

Disability Allowance can be paid if you are studying an approved course outside the State under the Back to Education Allowance scheme or getting medical treatment not available in Ireland. You must notify the Department and provide proof of medical treatment or education abroad. Under legislation you have no entitlement to be paid Disability Allowance while on holiday. However, in practice Disability Allowance may be paid for 2-3 weeks while you are on holiday abroad. You should inform the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection before you go on holiday.[/quote

How do dissibilty know your abroad as it gets paid through my bank?

Necro

OP, it seems you want people to advise you on the situation. Not informing the Department of your holiday and continuing to receive the payment means you are in essence committing welfare fraud. No one on this forum is going to tell you that is the correct course of action.

splinter65

When you accepted Disabilty you agreed to let them know if there was a change in your circumstances.
If you don’t let them know that you’re leaving for nearly 3 months then you’re breaking that agreement.
When they discover that you were gone your payment will be suspended. There will be a huge investigation into your whole claim which will go on for months indefinitely in which period you won’t have any payment and you really don’t want all this hassle so just let them know and accept that you can’t have DA while your abroad.

RossieMan

This has got to be a troll.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

How the hell can someone on welfare afford a near 3 month holiday in the states?

splinter65

Eleanor Shaggy Bandit wrote: »

How the hell can someone on welfare afford a near 3 month holiday in the states?

Someone could be treating them as a gift.

myshirt

Question96 wrote: »

How do dissibilty know your abroad as it gets paid through my bank?

Now that's where you are going down a dangerous path. Sher how would they know. Sher I'll be grand. If anything happens sher I'll do x, y, and z.

You are fooling yourself.

All you need to know is that you thought through this for one afternoon, and made a few posts on this forum. The Department on the other hand are dealing with this day in day out long before you were even born. Do you think you are the only one who thought they'd come up with a genius plan?

Hammered would be an understatement with what will happen if you try pull a fast one. Don't even try it.

The Talking Bread

The Op apparently smokes 20 a day! Ah, the good old disability allowance. ......

I'd like to hear how they are funding their lifestyle in particular a "vacation " for 80 days

Explosive_Cornflake

Eleanor Shaggy Bandit wrote: »

How the hell can someone on welfare afford a near 3 month holiday in the states?

They could be staying with Family either.

RossieMan

He also has a Mac book Pro and a 4k TV.

Troll skills need improving.

Question96

i have family over there , i buy my cigarettes of the Dealers , and i got a lump some from my ex employer to answer your questions

The Talking Bread

Enjoy your holiday.......

BorneTobyWilde

Even the lump sum could be an issue. Sounds like you get 200 a week you don't even need, but you'll take it, why not, you're entitled to it on paper. Only in Ireland.

To be honest it seems every week is a holiday and you still get the money, how is leaving the country and doing nothing any different than being in the country and doing nothing.

gerrybbadd

Question96 wrote: »

i have family over there , i buy my cigarettes of the Dealers , and i got a lump some from my ex employer to answer your questions

The "Dealers"? So not an ounce of excise being paid either? Further defrauding the State

marieholmfan

gerrybbadd wrote: »

The "Dealers"? So not an ounce of excise being paid either? Further defrauding the State

Fair play OP we'd all do it. Keep the head down and the mouth shut and enjoy the holiday!

BorneTobyWilde

gerrybbadd wrote: »

The "Dealers"? So not an ounce of excise being paid either? Further defrauding the State

Ahh but the state is defrauding the people far more than the people are defrauding the state. Ireland is so corrupt that's a fact.


Ireland has been deemed one of the most corrupt countries in the western world.
''UP to 50 secret bank accounts, money laundering, fraud on a massive scale... and this is just the police force... welcome to the most corrupt country in the Western world''

davo2001

marieholmfan wrote: »

Fair play OP we'd all do it.

Personally I wouldn't, I don't like being a parasite and sitting on my arse doing **** all all day.

marieholmfan

davo2001 wrote: »

Personally I wouldn't, I don't like being a parasite and sitting on my arse doing **** all all day.

It might be a bit un PC to say this but the real parasites are the bankers and politicians.

davo2001

marieholmfan wrote: »

It might be a bit un PC to say this but the real parasites are the bankers and politicians.

And the lazy ****s scrounging off the state and yet are able to go on 80 day holidays, buy 4k TVs and Apple equipment.

Necro

marieholmfan wrote: »

Fair play OP we'd all do it. Keep the head down and the mouth shut and enjoy the holiday!

We.... as in you, perhaps. I prefer my activities to be non-criminal tbh

ayux4rj6zql2ph

splinter65 wrote: »

Someone could be treating them as a gift.

Jasus I’d love a gift like that

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Explosive_Cornflake wrote: »

They could be staying with Family either.

A family funding 80 days holidays possibly? Nice!

airy fairy

Do you not need certs from a doctor for DA?

Necro

airy fairy wrote: »

Do you not need certs from a doctor for DA?

No, stupidly. You're thinking of Illness Benefit where certs are required to be sent on a regular basis in order to receive the payment.

I do think a regular assessment period for DA would be a good idea though.

airy fairy

Necro wrote: »

No, stupidly. You're thinking of Illness Benefit where certs are required to be sent on a regular basis in order to receive the payment.

I do think a regular assessment period for DA would be a good idea though.

You serious?
So you just get 'sick' or unable to work for some reason, and off you go, you get paid, nothing more said?

marieholmfan

airy fairy wrote: »

You serious?
So you just get 'sick' or unable to work for some reason, and off you go, you get paid, nothing more said?

well what harm compared to the bankers and the politicians?

Necro

airy fairy wrote: »

You serious?
So you just get 'sick' or unable to work for some reason, and off you go, you get paid, nothing more said?

Not quite - as per welfare.ie:
To qualify for DA, you must:

Have an injury, disease or physical or mental disability that has continued, or may be expected to continue, for at least one year
As a result of this disability be substantially restricted in undertaking work that would otherwise be suitable for a person of your age, experience and qualifications
Be aged between 16 and 66. When you reach 66 years of age you no longer qualify for DA, but you are assessed for a State pension.
Satisfy a means test
Satisfy the habitual residence condition.

There's a rigourous (I'm told) process in order to receive it. Illness Benefit is for short-term illness, DA is for long-term.

Necro

marieholmfan wrote: »

well what harm compared to the bankers and the politicians?

What exact point are you trying to make, and why are you making it in the State Benefits forum?

marieholmfan

Necro wrote: »

What exact point are you trying to make, and why are you making it in the State Benefits forum?

People on benefit should be allowed to take holidays. Those people who resent a poor disabled man for going on holiday while not resenting the bankers and politicians are highly problematic.

You haven't provided the initial poster with any practical advice by the way.

gerrybbadd

Necro wrote: »

No, stupidly. You're thinking of Illness Benefit where certs are required to be sent on a regular basis in order to receive the payment.

I do think a regular assessment period for DA would be a good idea though.

It should be mandatory.

This guy was going to start a new job a month ago and was told he'd lose the DA. Guess he opted against it. Obviously, the DA claim is fraudulent if he was able to return to work

marieholmfan

gerrybbadd wrote: »

It should be mandatory.

This guy was going to start a new job a month ago and was told he'd lose the DA. Guess he opted against it. Obviously, the DA claim is fraudulent if he was able to return to work

He wasn't able to return to work though.;)

Necro

marieholmfan wrote: »

People on benefit should be allowed to take holidays. Those people who resent a poor disabled man for going on holiday while not resenting the bankers and politicians are highly problematic.

You haven't provided the initial poster with any practical advice by the way.

People are allowed to take holidays, check the guidelines. It's two weeks per calendar year for recipients of a Jobseeker's Payment. For DA, as per citizens information:

Under legislation you have no entitlement to be paid Disability Allowance while on holiday. However, in practice Disability Allowance may be paid for 2-3 weeks while you are on holiday abroad. You should inform the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection before you go on holiday.

80 days is taking the absolute piss and to expect to be paid by the state for the entirety is what people are taking umbrage with.

gerrybbadd

marieholmfan wrote: »

People on benefit should be allowed to take holidays. Those people who resent a poor disabled man for going on holiday while not resenting the bankers and politicians are highly problematic.

You haven't provided the initial poster with any practical advice by the way.

Poor:rolleyes:
Disabled:rolleyes:

Have you read through the thread ya?

gerrybbadd

marieholmfan wrote: »

He wasn't able to return to work though.;)

Ya, the thoughts of losing the medical card, free travel and Disability allowance further rendered him disabled. :rolleyes:

marieholmfan

Necro wrote: »

People are allowed to take holidays, check the guidelines. It's two weeks per calendar year for recipients of a Jobseeker's Payment. For DA, as per citizens information:

Under legislation you have no entitlement to be paid Disability Allowance while on holiday. However, in practice Disability Allowance may be paid for 2-3 weeks while you are on holiday abroad. You should inform the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection before you go on holiday.

80 days is taking the absolute piss and to expect to be paid by the state for the entirety is what people are taking umbrage with.

What harm?

Necro

marieholmfan wrote: »

What harm?

Well...

1. It's welfare fraud and the OP if discovered would lose their entitlement to the payment and have to pay back the arrears, also possibly receive a criminal conviction.

2. As a taxpayer I don't want anyone being paid for an 80 day holiday outside the state. The OP has enough holidays while on DA.

3. I'm bored of playing with you, ta-ra.

El Tarangu

Question96 wrote: »

i have family over there , i buy my cigarettes of the Dealers , and i got a lump some from my ex employer to answer your questions

Dangerous line that, working under bridges :rolleyes:

Oafley Jones

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Ya, the thoughts of losing the medical card, free travel and Disability allowance further rendered him disabled. :rolleyes:

Wonder did he still buy that motorbike?

marieholmfan

marieholmfan wrote: »

What harm?

troll

marieholmfan

marieholmfan wrote: »

People on benefit should be allowed to take holidays. Those people who resent a poor disabled man for going on holiday while not resenting the bankers and politicians are highly problematic.

You haven't provided the initial poster with any practical advice by the way.

…… you want us to give OP advice on how to break the law and become involved in welfare fraud risking prosecution, fines and jail? :D:D

airy fairy

Necro wrote: »

Not quite - as per welfare.ie:
To qualify for DA, you must:

Have an injury, disease or physical or mental disability that has continued, or may be expected to continue, for at least one year
As a result of this disability be substantially restricted in undertaking work that would otherwise be suitable for a person of your age, experience and qualifications
Be aged between 16 and 66. When you reach 66 years of age you no longer qualify for DA, but you are assessed for a State pension.
Satisfy a means test
Satisfy the habitual residence condition.

There's a rigourous (I'm told) process in order to receive it. Illness Benefit is for short-term illness, DA is for long-term.

Ok, thanks for that.
I'm clearly not well up on this sort of thing, or doing something wrong with my own life.

GBX

Strange they want to know can they still get benefit but its a holiday. Are they hoping to get as much as they can before they move over ?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=108344628

Wheety

His previous threads

https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?user=887394&threads=1&sort=newest




Either a troll or a Walter Mitty type.

Oat23

Necro wrote: »

People are allowed to take holidays, check the guidelines. It's two weeks per calendar year for recipients of a Jobseeker's Payment. For DA, as per citizens information:

Under legislation you have no entitlement to be paid Disability Allowance while on holiday. However, in practice Disability Allowance may be paid for 2-3 weeks while you are on holiday abroad. You should inform the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection before you go on holiday.

80 days is taking the absolute piss and to expect to be paid by the state for the entirety is what people are taking umbrage with.

Is there a way Welfare can find out about someone on disability leaving the country other than them being reported by someone? If there are, given how lax the laws are and the fact disability is paid straight into a person's bank (I think?) couldn't they just cross into NI and leave via Belfast to bypass any sort of checks in place by Welfare?



People on DA could leave the country for god knows how long and still be getting paid every week. I'm sure there are people doing that.

Spanish Eyes

The question is, as OP put it, how would DSP know s/he was away for so long if there is no necessity to "sign on" and the benefit is lodged directly to the bank.

EDIT, Oat23, exactly, our posts crossed.