Raffles for new houses

Ally Dick · 31-12-2018 5:19pm #1

Sounds disgusting to me. Is it legal to do this? I have seen a few of them advertised. Was Barney Curley sent to prison from doing something similar?
This should be stopped. It sounds so crass in a housing crisis.

Fiftyfilthy · 31-12-2018 5:28pm

Why?

There is a housing crisis, 100e could you win you a house that you could never afford

If you win, you win a house

If not, it was worth a shot

Money goes to a deserving charity

Not crass at all in my eyes

Bubbaclaus · 31-12-2018 5:29pm

Ally Dick wrote: »

Sounds disgusting to me. Is it legal to do this? I have seen a few of them advertised. Was Barney Curley sent to prison from doing something similar?
This should be stopped. It sounds so crass in a housing crisis.

How is it disgusting?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 31-12-2018 5:32pm

Where’s it on, I want a ticket.

kneemos · 31-12-2018 5:32pm

A raffle has to be for a charity I think.

iamwhoiam · 31-12-2018 5:34pm

There was a raffle ( lottery ) every year in Berlin for a house . I thought it was a fabulous idea and see nothing at all wrong with it

31-12-2018 5:37pm

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

Where’s it on, I want a ticket.

What if it’s too far from your family, work, school, pub....

yabadabado · 31-12-2018 5:42pm

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

How is it disgusting?

Probably because it's not free.

thelawman · 31-12-2018 5:45pm

I remember a few GAA clubs doing it back in the day,

Stheno · 31-12-2018 5:46pm

thelawman wrote: »

I remember a few GAA clubs doing it back in the day,

There's a soccer club doing it near me

31-12-2018 5:46pm

yabadabado wrote: »

Probably because it's not free.

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What a nonsensical statement

Do you apply this logic to everything that is not free?

KERSPLAT! · 31-12-2018 5:46pm

kneemos wrote: »

A raffle has to be for a charity I think.

That's definitely not the case. There was one for Roscommon GAA yesterday and I've seen a few others advertised recently.

KathleenGrant · 31-12-2018 5:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What if it’s too far from your family, work, school, pub....

You sell it and buy one closer with the proceeds. :rolleyes:

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 31-12-2018 5:46pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What if it’s too far from your family, work, school, pub....

IDGAF, it’s a gaff for €100. I’ll go and live in it.

KERSPLAT! · 31-12-2018 5:48pm

2011 wrote: »

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What a nonsensical statement
Do you apply this logic to everything that is not free?

I think you're misinterpreting the post. They're saying that the OP thinks it's disgusting because it's not a free house. Entitled to a free house, etc. Not that I agree, just pointing it out.

kneemos · 31-12-2018 5:49pm

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

That's definitely not the case. There was one for Roscommon GAA yesterday and I've seen a few others advertised recently.

Really.

https://www.justanswer.com/ireland-law/51sms-law-relation-running-raffle.html

KERSPLAT! · 31-12-2018 5:49pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What if it’s too far from your family, work, school, pub....

It's an asset... You could sell it...

heroics · 31-12-2018 5:50pm

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

Where’s it on, I want a ticket.

Winakoolhouse.ie

Peter Denham · 31-12-2018 5:53pm

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

Money goes to a deserving charity

My GAA club is doing it. All proceeds go to the club.

KERSPLAT! · 31-12-2018 5:53pm

kneemos wrote: »

Really.

https://www.justanswer.com/ireland-law/51sms-law-relation-running-raffle.html

Yes, really. You said it has to be for charity, I said it doesn't have to be for charity.

It might not be legal, according to your source, it does however take place. One literally took place last night for Roscommon GAA, as I said.

KathleenGrant · 31-12-2018 5:54pm

Peter Denham wrote: »

My GAA club is doing it. All proceeds go to the club.

How much are the tickets and how many are being sold?

kneemos · 31-12-2018 5:57pm

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Yes, really. You said it has to be for charity, I said it doesn't have to be for charity.

It might not be legal, according to your source, it does however take place. One literally took place last night for Roscommon GAA, as I said.

We can have murder for fun then by that reasoning

LirW · 31-12-2018 5:58pm

KathleenGrant wrote: »

How much are the tickets and how many are being sold?

They sold for 100€ and they sold I think close to 9000, maybe even more.

Peter Denham · 31-12-2018 5:58pm

KathleenGrant wrote: »

How much are the tickets and how many are being sold?

€100, no idea how many are being sold.

KathleenGrant · 31-12-2018 6:03pm

LirW wrote: »

They sold for 100€ and they sold I think close to 9000, maybe even more.

Peter Denham wrote: »

€100, no idea how many are being sold.

I am sure I have spent 100 euro on worse!!

tabby aspreme · 31-12-2018 6:05pm

Most sports clubs have charity status I would think. Is there a loophole for having a raffle for members only, if the ticket includes membership of the private entity.
The guy who set up tayto park, hunky dorys etc, raffled a large farm many years ago and raised multiples of what he would have got selling the farm on the open market at the time.

Plumbthedepths · 31-12-2018 6:05pm

Roscommon GAA raffled off a house yesterday. Worth 400k in some estate in Dublin. 100 euro a ticket 14,000 tickets sold. After expenses the club made 943k profit. A lucky sod called Kumar from Lucan won the house.
OP if you think it's disgusting don't enter such draws, however the winner and those wishing to support the club would disagree with you.

heroics · 31-12-2018 6:08pm

https://www.winakoolhouse.ie/ Is our local clubs one. Benefits the soccer and GAA clubs in the village. All the details are in the link in case anyone is interested ðŸ˜€

The Tetrarch · 31-12-2018 6:12pm

The tickets should be free, and if you don't win you get a consolation prize of a free house.
Everything should be free. Free 2019 cars for all.

yabadabado · 31-12-2018 6:18pm

2011 wrote: »

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What a nonsensical statement
Do you apply this logic to everything that is not free?

Whoosh

mikeecho · 31-12-2018 6:18pm

Only a % has to go to charity.

It's the same with Bingo.. the proceeds have to go to charity, but not all of the proceeds, only a %.

There was a garda superintendent in cork that had a bee in his bonet about a local bingo hall run by multinational that only gave a very tiny % to a charity that wasn't anywhere near where the bingo hall was operating.
The garda superintendent failed in his objection to their licence in the district court.

If the organisers only gave 0.05% to a named charity, it would all be above board.

Agent Coulson · 31-12-2018 6:19pm

I see a County Boards doing them for the GAA all around the Country.

Another way for the GA to rake it in.

They probably sold the land to the developer to build the houses in the first place as well with the assurances that they get at least one free house out of the development.

yabadabado · 31-12-2018 6:21pm

Roscomm GAA gave 10k to a charity,I presume that was to cover the charity aspect of the raffle.

marketty · 31-12-2018 6:27pm

The last raffle I was at was very interesting because the people who ran the raffle actually won it.
So it's not unusual for that to happen now and again.

Plumbthedepths · 31-12-2018 6:28pm

marketty wrote:

The last raffle I was at was very interesting because the people who ran the raffle actually won it. So it's not unusual for that to happen now and again.

Was it on Craggy Island?

blindside88 · 31-12-2018 6:29pm

Carlow gaa are running one for a house in October 2019. Tickets on sale at €100. From reading the t&c’s the €100 gets you membership of “club Carlow” which is the supporters club and all members are entered into a “free draw” for a house. I assume that’s their work around needing a license for it. Limited to 8000 tickets. I’ll probably buy a ticket for it

KathleenGrant · 31-12-2018 6:30pm

marketty wrote: »

The last raffle I was at was very interesting because the people who ran the raffle actually won it.
So it's not unusual for that to happen now and again.

OOOOOH. Mrs. Doyle wants number 11.

Collie D · 31-12-2018 6:30pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I see a County Boards doing them for the GAA all around the Country.

Another way for the GA to rake it in.

They probably sold the land to the developer to build the houses in the first place as well with the assurances that they get at least one free house out of the development.

Nothing wrong with it if they did. I believe the Roscommon GAA house was donated to the County Board so every ticket sold was profit.

The Tetrarch · 31-12-2018 6:32pm

Sorry, Ted. I was holding the ticket upside down.

yabadabado · 31-12-2018 6:51pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I see a County Boards doing them for the GAA all around the Country.

Another way for the GA to rake it in.

They probably sold the land to the developer to build the houses in the first place as well with the assurances that they get at least one free house out of the development.

A lot of assumptions there.

In the case of Roscommon they bought the house and they definitely didn't sell the land to the developer.

All money raised will be used for redevelopment of the county ground and a CoE.

mvl · 31-12-2018 7:35pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

There was a raffle ( lottery ) every year in Berlin for a house . I thought it was a fabulous idea and see nothing at all wrong with it

was it for houses that didn't sell ?
think this guy had a good idea https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-5633381/Could-win-home-5-Entrepreneur-sets-Raffle-House-platform.html

iamwhoiam · 31-12-2018 7:46pm

mvl wrote: »

was it for houses that didn't sell ?
think this guy had a good idea https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-5633381/Could-win-home-5-Entrepreneur-sets-Raffle-House-platform.html

No brand new houses , you bought a ticket and there were multiple prizes ranging from small items to top prize of a house . When I was living there you could visit the site and over a few years there were already 5-6 houses on that site . All won on the lottery !

31-12-2018 9:36pm

LirW wrote: »

They sold for 100€ and they sold I think close to 9000, maybe even more.

While driving through the Fifth Province a few days ago I noticed that Meath GAA was having a draw for a house on 29 December. It was limited to a 'maximum of 12k tickets for sale', 'Tickets cost €100', '3-Draw Ticket: €250'.

The main prize was a 3-bed house worth €275,000 in Naaaaavan so not only could you get a house but you could have the honour of getting one of Ireland's most entertaining accents. There was a whole slew of cash prizes to beat the band on top of it:

Royal House Draw: win a house with Meath GAA

All the money was going towards a major redevelopment of Páirc Tailteann in Navan which will give the community there a great facility. So, if I'm going to spend €250 on a lottery, it makes much more sense to buy those tickets than to buy the equivalent in National Lottery tickets, where the odds of winning Euromillions are 140 million to 1, while the odds of winning the Lotto are 11 million to 1. Meanwhile the odds of being struck by lightning are a comparatively high 300,000 to 1 (Source).

In other words, somebody who chooses to gamble on any of the GAA draws with their comparatively restricted ticket numbers is a genius compared to anybody who gambles their money on the Euromillions or Lotto (and plenty of people would lose well more than €250 nett per year as a result of buying National Lottery products). And the money stays in the locality rather than going back to the Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan as is the case with much of the National Lottery's money now.

lawred2 · 31-12-2018 9:38pm

Ally Dick wrote: »

Sounds disgusting to me. Is it legal to do this? I have seen a few of them advertised. Was Barney Curley sent to prison from doing something similar?
This should be stopped. It sounds so crass in a housing crisis.

Why?

super_furry · 31-12-2018 9:53pm

What kind of tax would you be stung for if you won one, and wanted to sell it?

4068ac1elhodqr · 31-12-2018 10:15pm

The idea isn't bad, but if the raffle isn't 'independently verified' to be 'fair' it could be very messy.

How does such draw take place, is the lucky ticket physically picked from a hat or via software (RNG),
i..e How can be assumed to be fair, beyond all reasonable doubt?

The charity % issue must also be upfront and clear before tickets are sold.

31-12-2018 10:15pm

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

That's definitely not the case. There was one for Roscommon GAA yesterday and I've seen a few others advertised recently.

And if I recall, back in 1982 one Ray Coyle - better known as Mr Perri/Hunky Dory/King/Tayto/Tayto Park etc - decided that with land and house prices so low he would raffle his house at £300 a ticket. So he did:

"At the time, I owed the bank £1.2 m and had no way of paying it back," he admits. "I wasn't even able to raise enough money from selling my farm at the time," he adds.

In what can only be described as a stroke of genius, Ray decided instead to raffle his farm. Selling 4,000 tickets at £300 each, he was able to raise the £1.2m and clear his debts with the bank. (Ray Coyle: From struggling farmer to being Mr Tayto)

theguzman · 31-12-2018 10:31pm

CAT

Bubbaclaus · 31-12-2018 10:42pm

theguzman wrote: »

CAT

Nope

r93kaey5p2izun · 31-12-2018 11:12pm

Raffling cars and motorbikes seems to be all the rage lately so why not houses too!

Guy:Incognito · 31-12-2018 11:13pm

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

Money goes to a deserving charity

Is it not GAA clubs and the like doing it?

Raffles for new houses

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