Applegreen fuel PLUS

mikeecho

I see that Applegreen are now selling Unleadedplus and Dieselplus in competition with Circle K' s plus fuels.

And at the same 7c extra cost.

There is obviously a demand.

adocholiday

How much better/different is it? Would you get the 7c per litre back in mileage? Just trying to understand the cost/benefit really

Cerco

OmegaGene wrote: »

i am using the circle k version for 10 months now and never go anywhere else

Diesel or petrol?

V8 Interceptor

OmegaGene wrote: »

Diesel and I see an improvement in mpg and a slight improvement in power

Enough to get your money back?

You sure the power thing isn't in your head?

antodeco

I'm assuming running an octane booster and diptane would be the equivalent?

aaakev

I only use the plus diesel from circle k, like omega iv noticed an increase in mileage and a bit more power. It seems to be good stuff. Im using it about 4 months now

OldMrBrennan83

Are these real? You always hear stories about the pipes just coming up from the same tank as the regular stuff. Does someone test it?

ongarite

I've been using Circle K plus diesel for a few months.
Definitely notice the difference in power on my re-mapped 530d.
MPG gains hard to say as I don't do big mileage.

Guy I work with has re-mapped Leon Cupra R. Also see power increase with the plus petrol.

aaakev

Patww79 wrote: »

Are these real? You always hear stories about the pipes just coming up from the same tank as the regular stuff. Does someone test it?

There is definitely a difference. I got my car new in July and ran the normal circle k fuel for thw first few months as it was all that was in the station i use, when i switched i noticed a difference from about half way through the first tank. I fill up every 7 or 8 days and have a habbit of tracking my mileage per fill and mpg and it definitely increased

Also when i have it in sport mode on the dynamic select there is better acceleration. This is not really noticeable in the other driving modes like comfort or eco because they kind of slow everything down a bit too and gear changes happen at lower revs etc

rizzee

There was definitely a notable difference when using circle k plus fuels on my 3 series. I bought new car this day last week and just brimmed it with standard applegreen fuel as there was a garage beside where I bought the car. I can't wait to use the circle K plus fuel on my next fill, I'm expecting a difference.

StereoSound

Give your car a good wash, everyone knows a clean car goes faster, especially if it's red. I wonder if there really is a difference in power or is it a marketing gimmick. Cant say I noticed anything myself with the plus stuff, just more expensive fuel to me.

bazz26

So this is what happens when you use this fancier stuff:

Sam Quentin

Mine runs perfectly fine on Kero!?

Toyotafanboi

I accidentally bought the posh M&S diesel in Circle K on Thursday, can see no difference whatsoever except that a tank was around €3.50 more expensive. Maybe my MPG will go through the roof but you'd need a consistent 5% increase to make it worthwhile, which I'm not holding my breath for.

mikeecho

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Mine runs perfectly fine on Kero!?

Have you tried Premium Kerosene


http://mjkoils.com/homeheating.html

Premium Kerosene is standard Kerosene with the Additive XO1415HO, this additive gives the following benefits.

Lowers Carbon build up.

Stabilises fuel.

Inhibits sludge formation.

Reduces Service problems.

Improves system efficiency.

Fresh fuel fragrance.

It has a low vat rate of 13.5%.

Del2005

Patww79 wrote: »

Are these real? You always hear stories about the pipes just coming up from the same tank as the regular stuff. Does someone test it?

If it's the same as Circle K with added cetane in the diesel then it's real. The petrol is just the same.

mikeecho

Del2005 wrote: »

If it's the same as Circle K with added cetane in the diesel then it's real. The petrol is just the same.

Friction modifier is added to the(ir) petrols

On a side note, I haven't seen / heard any adverts for Applegreen plus, but I have heard that their might be some corporate grumbling going on behind the scenes between AppleG and CK, over the use of "4￠", "plus" and a few other bits.

One company is claiming the others advertising is too similar.

mikeecho

OmegaGene wrote: »

The only thing I’ve heard about applegreen is they are selling better fuel at no extra cost

https://www.applegreenstores.com/fuelgood/

Try

Uleaded
https://www.applegreenstores.com/fuelgood-unleaded/

Unleaded Plus
https://www.applegreenstores.com/fuelgood-plus-unleaded/

Diesel
https://www.applegreenstores.com/fuelgood-diesel/

Diesel Plus
https://www.applegreenstores.com/fuelgood-plus-diesel/

The plus stuff is 7c extra/L

As I've said, I personally haven't seen any adverts for it.

mikeecho

OmegaGene wrote: »

I don’t doubt it’s an actual thing with apple green I just haven’t heard anything from them yet, it will slowly be in all the major fuel outlets like in the U.K.
I paid £1.70 for premium diesel recently on the way into London crazy prices

Look at the first post. That's an irish Applegreen station in cork.

mikeecho

OmegaGene wrote: »

I’m not arguing about it being in apegreen
I’m saying I haven’t heard anything about it, for example promotion or even a sign at applegreen when I passed last week

I agree, little or no advertising, all that station had was a small secondary sign with the other prices. Very easy to miss

Also.. I posted the links to their plus fuel

OmegaGene wrote: »

I paid £1.70 for premium diesel recently on the way into London crazy prices

Ouch !

Been there, paid that, the UK motorway services can be painful.

mikeecho

https://www.applegreenstores.com/fuelgood-plus/

fuelgood PLUS sites
Ballymount
J10 M50 Service Area,
Ballymount, Dublin 12, D12 K6C5

Ballincollig
Applegreen, Classes Lake Retail Centre,
Ovens, Co. Cork, P31 KX49

Ballinteer
Applegreen Service Station,
Ballinteer Avenue, Dublin 16, D16 AH39

Balbriggan
Applegreen Service Station,
Rowans Road, Courtlough, Balbriggan,
Co. Dublin, K32 WY23

Celbridge
Applegreen Service Station,
Maynooth Rd. Roundabout, Celbridge,
Co. Kildare, W23 N96X

Galway, Tuam Road
Applegreen Service Station, Tuam Road,
Co. Galway, H91 VY72

Kinsealy
Applegreen Service Station,
Malahide Road, Kinsealy, Co. Dublin

Lemybrien
Applegreen Service Station,
Lemybrien, Co. Waterford, X42 CV05

M1 Balbriggan
Applegreen Service Station,
Rowan’s Road, Courtlough, Balbriggan,
Co. Dublin, K32 WY23

M7 Birdhill
Applegreen Service Station,
M7 – Junction 27 Lackanavea, Birdhill,
Co. Tipperary

M9 Paulstown
Applegreen Service Station,
M9 – Junction 7 Jordanstown, Paulstown,
Co. Kilkenny

Mountgorry
Applegreen Service Station,
Swords, Co. Dublin, D17 N524

Mount Merrion
Applegreen Service Station,
Stillorgan Road, Stillorgan,
Co. Dublin, A94 AN81

Navan Retail Park
Applegreen Service Station,
Moathill, Athboy Road, Navan,
Co. Meath.

Rathcoole
Applegreen Service Station, Naas Rd,
Rathcoole, Co. Dublin, D24 DH00

St Margarets
Applegreen Service Station, St Margarets Road,
North Dublin, Co. Dublin

Swords
Applegreen Service Station, North Street,
Swords, Co. Dublin, K67 W2X6

Wicklow Service Area
Applegreen Service Station, Cullenmore,
Ashford, Co. Wicklow, A67 WR12


I'm still gonna stick with Circle K

OmegaGene

OmegaGene wrote: »

It takes 4-5 fills to see a difference apparently

If that's the case it's a power restorer type product ..... removes deposits etc etc.

If it's something to raise cetane number then extra mpg won't be seen.

Cerebrum

Indeed; "The multipurpose fuel is based on a unique polyisobutene amine additive which is combined with synthetic carrier fluids".

Polyisobutene amine is simply a solvent with lubricating properties added to petrol.
If your engine internals aren't full of soot, it'll make little or no difference. 4.18% ethanol minimum is already added to Irish petrol which has solvent properties to clean things up already. The soot already present in the engine has lubricating properties.

josip

The special ingredient is always 'unique', isn't it :rolleyes:

mikeecho

OmegaGene wrote: »

The only thing I’ve heard about applegreen is they are selling better fuel at no extra cost

https://www.applegreenstores.com/fuelgood/

Sorry, misunderstood this the first time I read it.

Here is a link to where Applegreen refer to the 4￠
https://www.applegreenstores.com/fuelgood-faqs/

As for the plus.. well that's self evident on the pumps.

CK, also have an issue with AppleG, advertising, that's it's their best fuel ever at no extra cost, but then AppleG introduce a PLUS fuel at a 7c premium, while still advertising the regular as best ever.

mikeecho

They have added the plus fuel info to their homepage .

https://www.applegreenstores.com/fuelgood-plus/

Toyotafanboi

OmegaGene wrote: »

It takes 4-5 fills to see a difference apparently

Hopefully your right.

Like I said earlier in the thread, i accidentally bought a tank of the premium fuel Christmas week. So...

This is what I got from my last tank of "regular" diesel. 996kms.



Filled with 54 litres of premium diesel.



Got to the bottom of the first tank of premium diesel today and what I got was, 995kms! I did not time that, that's just a beautiful coincidence.



I filled again with premium diesel again, €70.50 @ 1.399, so 50.5 litres again and we'll see how that goes.

So by those numbers, my last tank of regular got my 5.42 l/100km and my first tank of premium got me 5.08 l/100km.

So, yeah. Someone please do the math and see did I get a better % mpg than the % price increase I paid. I'm too lazy.

mikeecho

Circle K Diesel+ has a higher cetane value, so it should be a little quieter.

As previously said, It'll take a few tanks to show any effect.

Scam.. no scam. You decide, but I'm regular user of CK miles plus.
I don't trust AGreen.. I'll pay the extra 1¢/ L for CK fuel

mikeecho

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Hopefully your right.

Like I said earlier in the thread, i accidentally bought a tank of the premium fuel Christmas week. So...

This is what I got from my last tank of "regular" diesel. 996kms.



Filled with 54 litres of premium diesel.



Got to the bottom of the first tank of premium diesel today and what I got was, 995kms! I did not time that, that's just a beautiful coincidence.



I filled again with premium diesel again, €70.50 @ 1.399, so 50.5 litres again and we'll see how that goes.

So by those numbers, my last tank of regular got my 5.42 l/100km and my first tank of premium got me 5.08 l/100km.

So, yeah. Someone please do the math and see did I get a better % mpg than the % price increase I paid. I'm too lazy.

I could be wrong, but
You paid 5.6% more for your fuel, and you had 6.7% better fuel economy.

Regular diesel €1.318.
5.42L/100km
52.128mpg

Premium diesel €1.388.
5.08L/100km
56.6mpg

corkgsxr

Wasn't intentional tracking but with fuelio I was putting in fills with a reference where it came from. Just k, top, maxol

Always fill by 60 regardless of price.

The trend is ck gets higher milage despite higher price.

Completely separate the gfs Audi a5 2l tfsi with a fill of applegreen petrol was pityfull to a tank. Knock a 1/4 off usual distance

mikeecho

mikeecho wrote: »

Circle K Diesel+ has a higher cetane value, so it should be a little quieter...........

I might try this, it's down to €1.28 ish now I see and regular diesel is only €1.21 ish iirc.

mikeecho

Augeo wrote: »

I might try this, it's down to €1.28 ish now I see and regular diesel is only €1.21 ish iirc.

Bear with my fuzzy logic here..

The more expensive (in general) diesel is, the better value the premium fuel is.

The premium plus fuel is sold at 7c extra, not as a percentage extra.

So if diesel costs €1.219 and premium is €1.289 , that's 5.7% extra cost

But if diesel costs €1.659, and premium is €1.729, that's 4.2% extra cost

Toyotafanboi seems to be getting 6.7% more mileage from the posh stuff.

I'm not expecting any increase in mpg..... my yoke isn't 12 months old yet & has 27k kms on it so I'd doubt there's too much deposits clogging things up

Quackster

One of my local Applegreens (not on the list) now has the Fuel Plus diesel but not the petrol. I presume this filling station only has three storage tanks. There are three hoses on each pump, one for each fuel.

I wonder how many folk will accidentally pick up the wrong diesel nozzle and fill up with the more expensive stuff (both coloured black, only 'Plus' written on one to distinguish it). Only major thing advertising the existence of the premium diesel is a price display sign no more than a metre high next to the main price display sign.

mikeecho

mikeecho wrote: »

............

Toyotafanboi seems to be getting 6.7% more mileage from the posh stuff.

I'm getting 7.3 or 7.4 l/100km from the Sorento running it on Applegreen or Maxol stuff (mainly Applegreen). I'll try the Circle K fancy stuff for a fill or three and keep my driving style the same

A % increase similar to Toyotafanboi should see me just below 7.0l/100km
I'd happily pay extra for it tbh (if there was an mpg increase, which I'm very doubtful of tbh) ........I'm a bit of a hybrid between a tree hugger and a minimalist :pac:

Ron Burgundy II

I bought a tank of unleaded plus two weeks ago. according to the car trip computer my mpg went from 41 to 41.9. Need to run a calc on this not sure how accurate the trip computer is. This mpg is from a 1.4tsi golf

Ciano35

Drive a 1.6 turbo petrol.

Didn’t do any proper calculations, but according to the trip computer I used to average 31.9 mpg on circle k plus petrol, now it’s averaging 30.5 after a month of using the standard petrol. Same journeys. Going to try plus again to see if it goes back up.

Augeo

Augeo wrote: »

I'm getting 7.3 or 7.4 l/100km from the Sorento running it on Applegreen or Maxol stuff (mainly Applegreen). I'll try the Circle K fancy stuff for a fill or three and keep my driving style the same .................

Got a tank of the fancy stuff last night, €1.238 iirc which is the cheap compared to recent normal diesel prices.

Circle K claim potential 3% ish increase in mpg for the diesel stuff...... " The additive in miles PLUS diesel contributes to reduce the fuel consumption by up
to 3%" ............. how much of that is due to the claimed optimised combustion and how much due to deposits reduction is anyone's guess.

My baseline is the basic AppleGreen offering which just gave me almost 39mpg over 800kms........... 250 motorway and the rest mainly 80km/100km limit areas with very little heavy traffic stuff.

My mpg average over the 17k kms is 37.74mpg.
I calculate using brim to brim volumes....... the dash readout under estimates slightly but it's not far off, 98% ish accurate.

mikeecho

Just to clarify.. even though toyotafanboi got a 6.7% increase in fuel economy.. I do think that with a "clean"/new engine you will only get up to 2% better economy on the milesplus fuel.

This belief is based on various online research.
I don't work for any fuel company or marketing company
I'm just an avid user of miles plus since it's launch.

And I'm glad to see Apple green launch plus fuels.. even though I'd never buy fuel there.

Hopefully if plus fuels have sufficient sales, and the fuel companies see that there is a demand for better, (albet at a higher price), better fuel, .. we might some day see the reintroduction of 98ron , and the introduction of GTL Diesel with 60 cetane.

Zubeneschamali

mikeecho wrote: »

There is obviously a demand.

It used to be a thing long ago - regular and super.


I'd say this'll be gone again in a few years. Irish people not known for spending extra on performance tyres/fuel/road tax etc. etc.

mikeecho

mikeecho wrote: »

Just to clarify.. even though toyotafanboi got a 6.7% increase in fuel economy.. I do think that with a "clean"/new engine you will only get up to 2% better economy on the milesplus fuel.............

Yup..........I've no expectation to see even 3% tbh as that's all CircleK claim and some of that is due to deposit removal I expect.

My yoke does frequent enough 200+km journeys so I reckon it's clean as a whistle tbh. If I did see 2% increased mpg that'd suggest that the miles+ stuff does burn better so I'd quite likely continue using it.

If I see no increase in mpg after 3 tanks I'll quite likely reckon there's effectively no benefit (for me)

antodeco

I currently use an Octane booster, so will give the plus a try. Car is off the road for the next few months (too expensive to tax for a full year!)

OmegaGene

OmegaGene wrote: »

I think circle k claim 3% on their regular fuel but more miles fuel is meant to be better again

Yeah ............. but sure applegreen claim their regular fuel gives that too iirc
My baseline is predominantly Applegreen's standard offering

No difference on the first 80% tank ...........7.7l/100km indicated.....the Applegreen a few hundred yards from the circleK I use is now €113.9 for normal diesel, circle K €119.9 for normal and more for the plus.

I don't need to fill until tomorrow so I'm hoping the circle K drops the price, I can't see myself paying 13c/litre extra tbh for this experiment :pac:

Toyotafanboi

I just don't look at the price :pac:

Still only half way through my last tank, will probably need more by the end of the week.

ELM327

StereoSound wrote: »

Give your car a good wash, everyone knows a clean car goes faster, especially if it's red. I wonder if there really is a difference in power or is it a marketing gimmick. Cant say I noticed anything myself with the plus stuff, just more expensive fuel to me.

Red definitely makes the car quicker alright.
I mean, the cetane content is probably lower but the fuel is cheaper! :cool::pac::):D

dogmatix

I've started using the Applegreen Petrol-plus stuff for 2 tanks now - starting to notice a slight increase in milage values. A few more tanks worth and I should be able to get better idea as to any improvement in milage.

But it is all price dependent for me - currently the plus stuff is 1.39 at the N11 station in Coynes cross. If the price hits 1.50 my over-stressed wallet will have to switch back to the cheaper stuff.

I tend to stick with Applegreen or Maxol. I tend to avoid Circle K.

Augeo

Augeo wrote: »

No difference on the first 80% tank ...........7.7l/100km indicated.....the Applegreen a few hundred yards from the circleK I use is now €113.9 for normal diesel, circle K €119.9 for normal and more for the plus..........

36.14mpg according to brim calculations.
I had more motorway than usual for that tank, previous recent similar tank runs were 35.72, 36.48 & 37.91mpg so much of a muchness really.

Filled up on the plus stuff again, this tank will actually see no motorway runs so I'm expecting 39 ish mpg at least.

Was €1.258 for the plus, cheap stuff was €118.9 in both Applegreen and Circle K but I notice it's gone up 4/5c overnight now.

donkey balls

Patww79 wrote: »

Are these real? You always hear stories about the pipes just coming up from the same tank as the regular stuff. Does someone test it?

The company I work for get a delivery from Topaz/Circle K a few times a month, Often asked the lads delivering about the miles plus thing and which compartment of the tank is it loaded in they just smile.

donkey balls

OmegaGene wrote: »

They must think you’re trying to be funny

Nah they know that I'm also an ex tanker man in an other industry, And that even though another company claims better fuel both draw from the same tanks.

A tanker depending on the age of it would normally have about 5 compartments made up off diesel and petrol, My mate use to work for said company were the fuel is loaded via bottom load feed one for diesel one for petrol.

Magic ]=)

Been testing CircleK extra petrol for a month and nothing changed. Same fuel consumption and same power. Waste of money.