New boiler needed but location issue terrace house

Prefect_1998

I have an old non condensor boiler in a box froom on front external.wall in a small terrace house . To rwplace i have been told i have to get a condensor. Main issue is I dont want a waste pipe down the front of the house. So i am screw3d as i have to re locate who thing and the price seems to triple.

Do i have any other options?

Thanks guys

aujopimur

Can it be brought down internally and exited at ground level?.

Prefect_1998

Nope bedroom over the hall. Its a tiny 50s terrace.

If i get a second hand non condensor would an installer fit it?

Just want tonget the winter without a 8k bill

agusta

No one is going to fit a second hand boiler,can you post pictures

Prefect_1998

Of what. The boiler, the location , front of house ?

Prefect_1998

agusta wrote: »

No one is going to fit a second hand boiler,can you post pictures

I am caught between a rock and a hard place on this. I was thinking of re locating to the attic with new combi boiler but 8-10k and i need a sub pump in water tank which is over the bedroom

agusta

the boiler,its location with the front of house.im trying to picture why you cant bring the pipe down internally [box it off] and bring it out at low level

sullzz

Condense pump not an option for you?

DGOBS

So possible solutions:

1) is there no downpipes from your roof gutter near where the boiler is, as condense pipe maybe suitable to bring to it
2) a condensate pump as suggested above, you could pump the condense vertically into the attic and across to suitable outlet
3) it maybe possible to relocate your boiler into the attic

Prefect_1998

sullzz wrote: »

Condense pump not an option for you?

Not sure.. can it pump upwards ro a gutter ? Id the waste water hot or cold

Prefect_1998

There i s a down pipe about 4 meters from the boiler

This pump might be the answer as mentiond in number 2 below.

QUOTE=DGOBS;108896070]So possible solutions:

1) is there no downpipes from your roof gutter near where the boiler is, as condense pipe maybe suitable to bring to it
2) a condensate pump as suggested above, you could pump the condense vertically into the attic and across to suitable outlet
3) it maybe possible to relocate your boiler into the attic[/QUOTE]

danielle_door

danielle_door wrote: »

There i s a down pipe about 4 meters from the boiler

This pump might be the answer as mentiond in number 2 below.

QUOTE=DGOBS;108896070]So possible solutions:

1) is there no downpipes from your roof gutter near where the boiler is, as condense pipe maybe suitable to bring to it
2) a condensate pump as suggested above, you could pump the condense vertically into the attic and across to suitable outlet
3) it maybe possible to relocate your boiler into the attic

[/QUOTE]

you have to be careful with downpipes a few boilers iv come across have been destroyed by excessive rain water and no condensate air gap

DGOBS

Yes condensate pumps are designed to pump upwards

DGOBS

DGOBS wrote: »

Yes condensate pumps are designed to pump upwards

It’s a very very good idea but as I’m a miserable sod I’m just bringing a sprinkling of negativity

Prefect_1998

This is good news i can replace in same location run a pipe from boilser consensor into attic and feed along in side of the roof and then bring back it out at the down pipe. Is there much liquid that is produced ? As down pipe just feeds into a open gully...

crossmolinalad

agusta wrote: »

No one is going to fit a second hand boiler,can you post pictures

Should not know why not
We bought a second hand refurbished boiler with guaranty on ir
And the first plumber we called had no problem to fit in the second hand boiler
I know plumbers do fit them , otherwise who build in those boilers ???

Guys where we bought ours selling around a 40 revised boilers a week so someone will fit them

John.G

Are they selling condensing and non condensing types?.

crossmolinalad

crossmolinalad wrote: »

Should not know why not
We bought a second hand refurbished boiler with guaranty on ir
And the first plumber we called had no problem to fit in the second hand boiler
I know plumbers do fit them , otherwise who build in those boilers ???

Guys where we bought ours selling around a 40 revised boilers a week so someone will fit them

No right minded gas Engineer will fit a secondhand appliance because in the event of a incident it must be proved the appliance was tested for safety to the same level as the manufacturers would test it to, not being able to prove safety is a big no no.

crossmolinalad

gary71 wrote: »

No right minded gas Engineer will fit a secondhand appliance because in the event of a incident it must be proved the appliance was tested for safety to the same level as the manufacturers would test it to, not being able to prove safety is a big no no.

Boilers are all tested with all certs with them provided
The guys who sell then are qualified and give a year warranty on them
They are oil boilers so no need for a Gas Engineer

jimf

crossmolinalad wrote: »

Boilers are all tested with all certs with them provided
The guys who sell then are qualified and give a year warranty on them
They are oil boilers so no need for a Gas Engineer

curious to know what kind of certs are issued

sullzz

crossmolinalad wrote: »

Boilers are all tested with all certs with them provided
The guys who sell then are qualified and give a year warranty on them
They are oil boilers so no need for a Gas Engineer

Great input to the OPs problem, sure he can fit an oil boiler in the box room and what do you reckon, the oil tank in the attic?

crossmolinalad

John.G wrote: »

Are they selling condensing and non condensing types?.

Most of them are non condensing
Sometimes they got condensing ones
Most of the boilers were removed from houses who were changed from oil to Gas or heatpumps
The guys (official Gas and heatpump installers) took them back and refurbish the good ones and sell them on with warranty
They are on done deal

agusta

New coat of paint,new nozzle..,i really cant see how they can be refurbished.There is risk involved,i.e boiler leaks after 12 months,I wouldnt risk it.Fitting a high efficiency boiler also cost 18 percent less approx on fuel.

agusta

jimf wrote: »

curious to know what kind of certs are issued

A leak free cert:)

jimf

agusta wrote: »

A leak free cert:)

that's more than what comes with you ;);)

xl500

Check Page 8 Here

https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/migrated-files/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/BuildingStandards/FileDownLoad%2C24906%2Cen.pdf

Prefect_1998

Tbh i would not be happy with a recon boiler. There are 2 things in a house that can kill me , gas, electricity and the other half.

This pump will be the answer i think. I will wait till the old one packs in and get one in the same place .


Thanks guys..