Body of a newborn found on Balbriggan beach

koutoubia

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gardai-investigating-after-body-believed-to-be-of-baby-found-on-dublin-beach-37629125.html?fbclid=IwAR1iHZIzgQ7wdmgHCrbnx6PlV52DCLBwzcs3wq08SrggA762q-BDMJ3I7v0


Really thought these days were consigned to the dark past but painfully not.

The Hill Billy

Tragic. My heart goes out to those involved.

catrionanic

I don't live a million miles away, and have a newborn baby. I've been particularly affected by this story as a result.

I will never understand why the women leave the babies in places like this. Why can't they leave them somewhere where they may get discovered and be kept alive? You could leave that baby on the doorstep of almost any household in the country and it would be cared for. Oh how I wish she had left the baby on my doorstep instead.

So so tragic.

eviltwin

It's awful to think of a woman delivering a baby in such circumstances that she feels her only option is to abandon it. We don't know the background and if it even was the mother who left it or if the child was even alive. I'm sure she is terrified

T-Maxx

Whatever about her circumstances - I hope she's found and prosecuted.

godtabh

T-Maxx wrote: »

Whatever about her circumstances - I hope she's found and prosecuted.

Have some hearth. This couldn’t have been easy for her

NSAman

Have the Gaurds questioned Johanna Hayes yet?

Seriously, sad state of affairs if the people involved think this is the only option available to them. RIP little one.

Bubblegummers

RIP baby, but I think people need to consider someone’s mental health. Nobody willingly leaves their child while in their right frame of mind, I hope she is found safely.

John_Rambo

T-Maxx wrote: »

Whatever about her circumstances - I hope she's found and prosecuted.

Whatever her circumstances - I hope she's found alive and gets the help she needs. Hopefully lessons can be learnt to stop this type of thing happening again.

Try to maintain a bit of dignity and empathy next time T-maxx.

Bubblegummers

John_Rambo wrote: »

Whatever her circumstances - I hope she's found alive and gets the help she needs. Hopefully lessons can be learnt to stop this type of thing happening again.

Try to maintain a bit of dignity and empathy next time T-maxx.

A lot of people on this board must come from families with everything intact and no issues to be able to call for the mother’s head.

I suffer from severe depression where I’ve spent time inside units that no person ever wants to see, and spoke to more doctors then sits in the mater hospital. Mental Ill health is frightening and I can say with all certainty this mother is suffering just that.

Sleeper12

koutoubia wrote:

Really thought these days were consigned to the dark past but painfully not.

Almost word for word from my wife a few hours ago on this.

Wesser

For those of you who are being harsh on the mother. Just to.point it it's very possible she has a mental illness which is not her fault.

Dizzyblonde

Such a tragedy, hopefully they'll find the mother and give her the help she needs. We have no idea just how hard life is for some people.
RIP little baby.

ted1

T-Maxx wrote: »

Whatever about her circumstances - I hope she's found and prosecuted.

Disgusting comment. Some where out there, there is a girl or lady in distress.

The baby may have been still born you have no idea what went on

The Hill Billy

Mod note: Out of respect for those involved in this tragedy, we would ask members to refrain from posting speculation.

tHB

Wesser

Wesser wrote: »

For those of you who are being harsh on the mother. Just to.point it it's very possible she has a mental illness which is not her fault.

To be fair you could say any one who commits against another person must have mental issues. Why only women?

Wesser

Of course there are some who murder others who are deemed guilty but insane. Happens from time to time. There is a higher Incidence of psychiatric disease around the time of pregnancy.

Even if not she must have been fairly distressed to have done what she did. So I do not support the previous posters call to.prosecute her

Dizzyblonde

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair you could say any one who commits against another person must have mental issues. Why only women?

This thread is specifically about a woman who more than likely gave birth alone and possibly on a beach, in winter. It's not the sort of thing you would do if you felt you had any other option.

Nobody is saying "only women".

Sleeper12

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair you could say any one who commits against another person must have mental issues. Why only women?

As far as I can see onl;ine no one knows what happened yet. It could have been a stillbirth or died of natural causes after birth. The mother could be greif struck. The mother could be as young as 13.



There are many possibilities & it's a little early to be starting this conversation imo

T-Maxx

ted1 wrote:

Disgusting comment. Some where out there, there is a girl or lady in distress.

The baby may have been still born you have no idea what went on

I don't know the facts and neither do you. What I do know is that if she went to a hospital the baby might still be alive.

eviltwin

T-Maxx wrote: »

I don't know the facts and neither do you. What I do know is that if she went to a hospital the baby might still be alive.

And maybe there is a good reason why she didn't, or couldn't, have the baby in a hospital.

Dizzyblonde

Dizzyblonde wrote: »

This thread is specifically about a woman who more than likely gave birth alone and possibly on a beach, in winter. It's not the sort of thing you would do if you felt you had any other option.

Nobody is saying "only women".

Sure. But you don't know. But the defaulting position when women commit atrocity is mental illness.

splinter65

catrionanic wrote: »

I don't live a million miles away, and have a newborn baby. I've been particularly affected by this story as a result.

I will never understand why the women leave the babies in places like this. Why can't they leave them somewhere where they may get discovered and be kept alive? You could leave that baby on the doorstep of almost any household in the country and it would be cared for. Oh how I wish she had left the baby on my doorstep instead.

So so tragic.

We have no idea who left the baby there or why.

splinter65

godtabh wrote: »

Have some hearth. This couldn’t have been easy for her

I can never understand why people jump to conclusions and assumptions about these news stories. Sure we have no idea what happened yet.

splinter65

T-Maxx wrote: »

Whatever about her circumstances - I hope she's found and prosecuted.

She might be 10. She might be dead. She might be lying somewhere gravely ill. But let’s get a lynch mob ready just in case.

Ultimate Seduction

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To be fair you could say any one who commits against another person must have mental issues. Why only women?

Was about to post same. Anyone who commits murder is insane. This woman is a murderer

splinter65

T-Maxx wrote: »

I don't know the facts and neither do you. What I do know is that if she went to a hospital the baby might still be alive.

You have no idea if she was in a hospital or not. She may have left the hospital with a live baby. You know nothing but you are judging pointing and condemning away like crazy.

Becks610

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Was about to post same. Anyone who commits murder is insane. This woman is a murderer

Baby could have been still born. That is not a woman’s fault- surely you know that.

splinter65

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Was about to post same. Anyone who commits murder is insane. This woman is a murderer

You’ve decided that a woman has committed murder.
What grounds have you to come to this conclusion?

AtomicHorror

T-Maxx wrote: »

I don't know the facts and neither do you. What I do know is that if she went to a hospital the baby might still be alive.

If we take that at face value, how does this knowledge of what might have been back up your claim that someone should be prosecuted? You can't prosecute someone merely for not going to a hospital, regardless of the outcome of that decision.

I think you had a strong reaction to this story, which is understandable, but you let that become unhelpful and misdirected anger very quickly. You can and should step back from that.

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Was about to post same. Anyone who commits murder is insane. This woman is a murderer

This is very depressing.

Bubblegummers

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Was about to post same. Anyone who commits murder is insane. This woman is a murderer

You need your head looked at.

Sleeper12

Ultimate Seduction wrote:

Was about to post same. Anyone who commits murder is insane. This woman is a murderer

The baby was murdered now???

Sorry but I've checked all the news feeds and none are claiming this. You wouldn't think of waiting for the facts to surface before you convict & sentence this mother or father or grandparents?

T-Maxx

How did burying your baby (be it alive or dead) in a shallow grave on a beach somehow became acceptable here?

splinter65

T-Maxx wrote: »

How did burying your baby (be it alive or dead) in a shallow grave on a beach somehow became acceptable here?

How do you know that either parent buried the baby? Or killed the baby?

Sleeper12

AtomicHorror wrote:

This is very depressing.

There are posters here that would worry me more than the mother. Some shocking posts all the same. Can I point out that some readers might have had miscarriages or still births recently or even not so recently & might find some comments hurtful or upsetting.

This is a very delicate subject. A little infant is dead & that's all we know.

RIP Little one & I'm hoping that the mum is OK.

Dizzyblonde

Mod note:There are a lot of very harsh judgements being made here, when we don't yet know the circumstances. Please show some compassion.

T-Maxx

splinter65 wrote:

How do you know that either parent buried the baby? Or killed the baby?

Has the baby been reported as missing?

splinter65

Sleeper12 wrote: »

There are posters here that would worry me more than the mother. Some shocking posts all the same. Can I point out that some readers might have had miscarriages or still births recently or even not so recently & might find some comments hurtful or upsetting.

This is a very delicate subject. A little infant is dead & that's all we know.

RIP Little one & I'm hoping that the mum is OK.

Ireland is full of pitchforkers. They actually love when something like this happens, so they can really really get stuck into someone.
With zero evidence they feel free to be judge jury and executioner, totally unchallenged.

Here we go

Mental health bad situation whatever theres a dead baby as result from this person's actions and and most seem to be like the poor person who left a child to die. World is gone crazy if this person stabbed someone and they died is it still oh poor them been driven to stab people. I just don't get it and yes I know mental health is a very real serious situation but God damn there's a child dead any way that's my rant over.

Cockford Ollie

"Mental health" is a free pass to do anything it seems.

SEPT 23 1989

How the fcuk does this still happen in this day of age?

splinter65

T-Maxx wrote: »

Has the baby been reported as missing?

I have no idea. And neither have you. You know absolutely nothing except that a baby’s body has been found on a beach. You have no idea if the mother of the baby is alive or dead. 10 or 40. Alone or not. You have no idea how the baby got on the beach. You know nothing.
But your 100% super confident that the mother is guilty.
Why is that?

Try_harder

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Was about to post same. Anyone who commits murder is insane. This woman is a murderer

Judge Jury and Executionor - typical Boards post

Bubblegummers

splinter65 wrote: »

I have no idea. And neither have you. You know absolutely nothing except that a baby’s body has been found on a beach. You have no idea if the mother of the baby is alive or dead. 10 or 40. Alone or not. You have no idea how the baby got on the beach. You know nothing.
But your 100% super confident that the mother is guilty.
Why is that?

Not just guilty but guilty of murder.

Try_harder

Cockford Ollie wrote: »

"Mental health" is a free pass to do anything it seems.

No its not - it does However upset the lunch mobs

splinter65

Cockford Ollie wrote: »

"Mental health" is a free pass to do anything it seems.

Where is there any evidence of a mental health issue? Where are you getting this stuff from?

Try_harder

Bubblegummers wrote: »

Not just guilty but guilty of murder.

Or not guilty by reason of insanity

splinter65

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

How the fcuk does this still happen in this day of age?

I don’t know what “this day and age” has got to do with it. Things happen behind closed doors the same now as they ever did. Same as they always will. Secrets and lies. Despair. Abuse. In actual fact I think it’s worse now then it ever was.

Bubblegummers

I’m lying in bed dumbfounded that people cannot find it within them to show empathy. Every male poster he has a sister or a mother. They are all just a very short hair away from this. Mentalhealth issues if they are at play here are very real and should be seen for what they are- NOT VOLUNTARY.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Lads, do ye think this attitude of "murderer, lock her up, raaar women getting away with stuff" is more or less likely to result in her being found?

Pathetic posturing and carrying on. This is a tragedy, and previous incidents of it have had horrendous underlying circumstances. The same attitude being espoused in posts in this thread actively contributed to tragedies like this happening, and thankfully MOST OF US have moved on from it.

But yeah the most important thing is to get an auld dig at them wimmin in.

I hope she's found and the baby identified and my god the poor person who found the body.

splinter65

Bubblegummers wrote: »

I’m lying in bed dumbfounded that people cannot find it within them to show empathy. Every male poster he has a sister or a mother. They are all just a very short hair away from this. Mentalhealth issues if they are at play here are very real and should be seen for what they are- NOT VOLUNTARY.

There’s still a lot of ignorance around mental health issues. A lot of people are sitting listening to someone talking about their depression and nodding politely but in their own mind they’re saying “ oh for ****s sake pull yourself together sure what have you got to be depressed about. Moaney bitch”. You’d be amazed the things I hear.