E3 visas

brendanwalsh

Looks like it's down to just two senators opposing it. Hopefully this gets passed.

circular flexing

Looks like it won't be happening

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/irish-hopes-of-getting-extra-us-visas-suffer-severe-blow-1.3739412

brendanwalsh

Why can't they re enter it into the next congress after xmas? Surely if it had bi partisan support this time it would have it again

brendanwalsh

Irish Seanad passes Occupied Territories Bill at the beginning of December. Israel upset.

Cotton receives so much funding from Israeli groups that his Wikipedia page has a sub-heading on it comes out of nowhere in mid-December to block E3 Bill for Ireland. He wasn't one of the original six senators who opposed in November, he only did so after the Seanad vote on israel.

It's that simple.

circular flexing

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Why can't they re enter it into the next congress after xmas? Surely if it had bi partisan support this time it would have it again

It would have to start from scratch and go through committee etc and I'm guessing the Democrats have more important priorities.



Also worth remembering the original E3 visa came about as part of a FTA with Australia and was rumoured at the time to be due to Australia sending troops to support the war in Iraq

Fr Tod Umptious

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Irish Seanad passes Occupied Territories Bill at the beginning of December. Israel upset.

Cotton receives so much funding from Israeli groups that his Wikipedia page has a sub-heading on it comes out of nowhere in mid-December to block E3 Bill for Ireland. He wasn't one of the original six senators who opposed in November, he only did so after the Seanad vote on israel.

It's that simple.

what a total load of BS from Seanad Eireann.

An unelected body passes a bill championed by some former musician that has some romantic view about an autocratic region thousands of miles away that ends up stopping well educated Irish people getting the chance to live and work in America

fcuk this country and the left leaning idiots that have too much influence in it.

frag420

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

fcuk this country and the left leaning idiots that have too much influence in it.

I guess you could always apply for a visa and fcuk of out of this country then...I’m sure you would fit in well in Israel!

Baggly

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

what a total load of BS from Seanad Eireann.

An unelected body passes a bill championed by some former musician that has some romantic view about an autocratic region thousands of miles away that ends up stopping well educated Irish people getting the chance to live and work in America

fcuk this country and the left leaning idiots that have too much influence in it.

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frag420 wrote: »

I guess you could always apply for a visa and fcuk of out of this country then...I’m sure you would fit in well in Israel!

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amdublin

Any update on this?? What was with Leo mentioning it in his Trump visit?

Is it back on the table?? (I thought it was dead in the water...)

RobertKK

amdublin wrote: »

Any update on this?? What was with Leo mentioning it in his Trump visit?

Is it back on the table?? (I thought it was dead in the water...)

Trump supports it, and it is down to the Senate.
The Irish Examiner says Trump got personally involved to try and make progress in getting it passed.

They say Trump and Pence both spoke to Senator Cotton, and now the bill is going to be refiled in Congress for approval.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/fresh-efforts-to-secure-us-work-visas-for-irish-citizens-911301.html

Fr Tod Umptious

RobertKK wrote: »

Trump supports it, and it is down to the Senate.
The Irish Examiner says Trump got personally involved to try and make progress in getting it passed.

They say Trump and Pence both spoke to Senator Cotton, and now the bill is going to be refiled in Congress for approval.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/fresh-efforts-to-secure-us-work-visas-for-irish-citizens-911301.html

That's not exactly the case.

It has to get through the House of Representatives first.
The old bill that went through the House is now dead as it's a new house, so any E3 bill will have to start from scratch again.

And someone tell the Irish Examiner that Cotton is from Arkansas, not Arizona.

Fathom

Reference: H.R.7164 - To add Ireland to the E-3 nonimmigrant visa program

Fr Tod Umptious

Fathom wrote: »

Reference:
H.R.7164 - To add Ireland to the E-3 nonimmigrant visa program

I did not read all that document but close to the top it says 115th Congress

That's the old Congress, we are now in the 116th.

The bill has to be reintroduced in the 116th, I know the Examiner article said it would but only when it does can anything further happen.

jme2010

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I did not read all that document but close to the top it says 115th Congress

That's the old Congress, we are now in the 116th.

The bill has to be reintroduced in the 116th, I know the Examiner article said it would but only when it does can anything further happen.

So Fathom just gave half the subscribers to the visa lottery thread, a heart attack

ReturningForY

It's been introduced as HR 2418 in the 116th Congress; because I'm a new user I can't post a direct link

My understanding from the limited news reporting is that it might eventually be attached to a bigger spending bill so that it wouldn't require unanimous consent in the Senate. In this case I'd imagine it's quite likely to pass.

ReturningForY

Honestly, I don't really think it's in the interest of the Irish Government for this to pass. It seems to be motivated mostly by the romantic notion of historical Irish immigration to America. Practically speaking it's basically going to be a mechanism for talented and hard-working Irish people (often educated at the Irish Government's expense) to take their skills out of Ireland.

jme2010

ReturningForY wrote: »

Honestly, I don't really think it's in the interest of the Irish Government for this to pass. It seems to be motivated mostly by the romantic notion of historical Irish immigration to America. Practically speaking it's basically going to be a mechanism for talented and hard-working Irish people (often educated at the Irish Government's expense) to take their skills out of Ireland.

Eh, sorry whats wrong with that?

You can't apply your Irish nanny state tactics to this. Saying you can't do X because of Y.

Telling young, well educated and talented Irish people that you can't move to America because it will hurt the Irish economy is bullsh1t, bottom line.

ReturningForY

I think you misunderstood me! I'm 100% for well educated and talented Irish people moving to America, I did it myself after graduating with my essentially free Irish college degree

I was speaking about the Government. It's not really in the Government's interest...

él statutorio

ReturningForY wrote: »

I think you misunderstood me! I'm 100% for well educated and talented Irish people moving to America, I did it myself after graduating with my essentially free Irish college degree

I was speaking about the Government. It's not really in the Government's interest...

You're correct, it's not in the governments interest.

However it is in citizens interests and they'll be quite upset at their TDs if they stand in the way. The Irish government won't interfere with this in the slightest.

Fathom

ReturningForY wrote: »

I think you misunderstood me! I'm 100% for well educated and talented Irish people moving to America, I did it myself after graduating with my essentially free Irish college degree I was speaking about the Government. It's not really in the Government's interest...

Similar problem exists in America. Rural states educate residents, and after benefiting from lower state tuition, leave state for higher paying metros. They call it "brain drain" from rural to urban.

jme2010

Fathom wrote: »

Similar problem exists in America. Rural states educate residents, and after benefiting from lower state tuition, leave state for higher paying metros. They call it "brain drain" from rural to urban.

Now imagine the government taking measures (or just plain whining/guilting the younger population) to prevent these rural folk from moving to the big cities. That's basically Ireland. Nanny State.

Too many alcoholics? Every responsible drinker is punished
Too many gamblers? Every responsible gambler is punished

ReturningForY

The text of the new bill has now gone up ... the E-Verify requirement for employers is still there, but as of right now it doesn't prioritize Australians over Irish citizens for the visa. Presumably that will change as the Australian government lobby gets into motion....

brendanwalsh

Not sure that's correct:

(a) In General.—Section 101(a)(15)(E)(iii) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(15)(E)(iii)) is amended by inserting “or, on a basis of reciprocity as determined by the Secretary of State, a national of Ireland,” after “Australia”.



https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2418/text?r=2

ReturningForY

The line it's amending reads,

...solely to perform services in a specialty occupation in the United States if the alien is a national of the Commonwealth of Australia and with respect to whom...

so all it's saying is that Irish nationals are also eligible, but there's nothing about priority. The mechanism by which Australians get priority is a bit more complicated and can be seen in the version of the law that passed the House last year.

brendanwalsh

Fair enough.
Why would they have submitted the older version of the bill?

Fathom

jme2010 wrote: »

Now imagine the government taking measures (or just plain whining/guilting the younger population) to prevent these rural folk from moving to the big cities. That's basically Ireland. Nanny State.

Alternative in some US states. You are given state university scholarship. After graduation you must stay for 3 more years. MD degree scholarships may require longer. 5 to 10 years rural.

jme2010

Fathom wrote: »

Alternative in some US states. You are given state university scholarship. After graduation you must stay for 3 more years. MD degree scholarships may require longer. 5 to 10 years rural.

Yeah, same at some companies that pay for your post grads. You agree to stay for a fixed time in exchange. You can leave if you want but you have to pay back tuition.

At least that's incentive and not just guilt propaganda "Irelands children, come home" crap.

Fathom

jme2010 wrote: »

Yeah, same at some companies that pay for your post grads. You agree to stay for a fixed time in exchange. You can leave if you want but you have to pay back tuition.

My read too in US.

Victor McDade

What ever happened with this? It's still showing as "introduced" on the congress.gov site but there's no news about it. Did Tom Cotton block it again?

Fathom

US military has university scholarships ROTC etc. After graduation do a tour of duty.

circular flexing

Victor McDade wrote: »

What ever happened with this? It's still showing as "introduced" on the congress.gov site but there's no news about it. Did Tom Cotton block it again?

It has to go through the full process again starting with committee hearings. I don't expect this will ever become law.

Fathom

circular flexing wrote: »

It has to go through the full process again starting with committee hearings. I don't expect this will ever become law.

Chronic White House confusion. Confounds Congress. May have to wait for 2020 General Election.

ReturningForY

The 2019 E-3 bill is officially dead following Congress essentially ending the 2019 session this past Thursday.

Presumably the momentum in 2018 wasn't there this year.

Fr Tod Umptious

The E-3 bill passed in the House today according to RTE.

Victor McDade

The house passed it last time out also. Much tougher ask to get through the Senate. I won't hold my breath, Tom Cotton blocked it last time, no real reason to approve it this time but we'll see. I'd love to be wrong

McK1994

So as I write this, it looks like a matter of hours before Biden wins the presidential election. I am wondering what impact this may or may not have on the hopes of the E3 visa being pass through the senate in 2021. Hopefully, there will be a renewed appetite for getting this passed with liberal Joe at the wheel.

Other considerations would be: Senate Elections - looks like the senate will still be republican, this could lead to further complications if the republican senate is not cooperating with the democratic White House.

Senate Application - as this bill was shelved last March due to Covid, I am wondering those this bill expire and will this need to go through the House of Representatives again or can this still be put to the senate as is.

COVID-19 - currently no european travellers are allowed into the US with a suspension in visa applications. Hopefully come the new year these restrictions will begin to lift. However if Biden takes a more conservative approach to Covid restrictions this could be delayed. Albeit a US vaccine looks to be announced imminently.

I would love to get an opportunity to work in the US in my profession of finance and the E3 visa seems like the most realistic hope has the H-1B visa seems near impossible and unpractical with the amount of hoops which need to be jumped through.

Victor McDade

I remember when Pelosi was here she talked about an intention to push this through, and something about attaching it to a finance bill to ensure it would pass since the Senate does not need to give 100% support. Haven't seen or heard anything since, though this has been an exceptional year I suppose

ReturningForY

McK1994 wrote: »

So as I write this, it looks like a matter of hours before Biden wins the presidential election. I am wondering what impact this may or may not have on the hopes of the E3 visa being pass through the senate in 2021. Hopefully, there will be a renewed appetite for getting this passed with liberal Joe at the wheel.

The election of Biden may help things, but overall the E3 situation is looking much worse that it was in March IMO. Unemployment in the US is very high right now with COVID, so adding a path for more foreign workers to come into the country is a hard sell. Other visa categories like H-1B and family-based green cards are currently subject to executive order entry restrictions because of labor market concerns.

I would say a much more likely approach is to come to the US to study and work afterwards (F-1 visa) or get a job with a multinational and get transferred over after you've been there at least a year (L-1 visa).