Does multiculturalism ruin Santa?

Paddy Cow

I wasn't sure how to word the title but the cheapskate Santa thread reminded me of something I've thought about in the past. When I was a kid, diversity wasn't a thing. We were all white, Irish and apart from one Protestant kid in the class, Catholic. So we all had the same belief about Santa. Nowadays there is a lot of diversity, which means there will be kids in the class for whom Santa isn't a thing. Does this cause any problems? Do they tell the other kids that Santa isn't real? Do they get upset that they don't get presents?

Moghead

Multiculturalism ate my hamster

TheValeyard

Well it's our cultural tradition to have Santa in this country so immigrants should get onboard and imbrace it. I'm sure many do.


Any adult who spoils Santa for political or cultural point scoring is a piece of sh1t

Odhinn

Moghead wrote: »

Multiculturalism ate my hamster

It turned mine into a jihadi. He's now enforcing sharia law in the spare bedroom.

OldMrBrennan83

Just tell your kids that Santa hates the other cultures.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

You'll find Christmas and Santa now transcends religion. I have friends from many religions who all do Santa and Christmas as a social event.


You'll find many Irish, who don't believe in any religion, do the whole Santa thing too.

John Sacrimoni

I dont know about Santa, but there are no nativity plays or nativity crib displays in my daughters school anymore.

Political Wall Map

You spelt "everything" wrong. The title should say... multiculturalism ruins everything

Paddy Cow

Caleb Howling Gravy wrote: »

You'll find Christmas and Santa now transcends religion. I have friends from many religions who all do Santa and Christmas as a social event.


You'll find many Irish, who don't believe in any religion, do the whole Santa thing too.

That's more tradition though. There's plenty of people who don't go to mass but still have the church wedding, christening etc

Moghead

John Sacrimoni wrote: »

I dont know about Santa, but there are no nativity plays or nativity crib displays in my daughters school anymore.

Is it a Catholic school?

ohnonotgmail

What does Santa have to do with catholicism?

The J Stands for Jay

Isn't Santa a foreign tradition that we got through multiculturalism?

Moghead

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

What does Santa have to do with catholicism?

I'm referring to nativity plays, not santa

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Paddy Cow wrote: »

That's more tradition though. There's plenty of people who don't go to mass but still have the church wedding, christening etc

I didn't say otherwise, and many people new to the country are embracing that tradition.

Moghead

McGaggs wrote: »

Isn't Santa a foreign tradition that we got through multiculturalism?

That's true.

ohnonotgmail

Moghead wrote: »

I'm referring to nativity plays, not santa

Exactly. So what makes you think i was referring to your post?

Supergurrier

Santa is a purely commercial creation. Nothing to do with any religion.

You don't even have to go that far back.

eviltwin

My son has been in a mixed race school since he was 4, he has friends from all backgrounds and he still believes in Santa. He's 9. Most of the non Irish and non Christian families here do Santa including us!

Moghead

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Exactly. So what makes you think i was referring to your post?

Sorry I thought you were.

uck51js9zml2yt

My kids school did a video on Christmas with the junior infants. My kid know Santa's not real and stayed quiet.
Another kid got edited out of the video. Told the interviewer santa wasn't real.

Sirius Boner

Unfortunately, yes....
as a member of the parents committee I see that some children are telling the truth about santa...and their parents are onboard with this behaviour.....
btw it's not Muslims either before anyone starts shouting from the rooftops

John Sacrimoni

Political Wall Map wrote: »

You spelt "everything" wrong. The title should say... multiculturalism ruins everything

Well the name of the school is St Kevins so im assuming it is.

Omackeral

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I wasn't sure how to word the title but the cheapskate Santa thread reminded me of something I've thought about in the past. When I was a kid, diversity wasn't a thing. We were all white, Irish and apart from one Protestant kid in the class, Catholic. So we all had the same belief about Santa. Nowadays there is a lot of diversity, which means there will be kids in the class for whom Santa isn't a thing. Does this cause any problems? Do they tell the other kids that Santa isn't real? Do they get upset that they don't get presents?

I was raised a Jehoavah's Witness. We were explicitly forbidden from having Santa on Christmas so we knew the reality of it. I didn't ever say anything to anyone else becuase I wasn't a prick. I probably am now, though.

PS Knock knock... Who's there?... Me, motherfcuker.

Omackeral

Caleb Howling Gravy wrote: »

You'll find many Irish, who don't believe in any religion, do the whole Santa thing too.

The Irish in general are a la carte Catholics these days I think. It's realistically something we tick on a box on the census for identity purposes in a lot of cases. Somewhat hypocritical IMO but sure look.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

What does Santa have to do with catholicism?

He gave birth to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Moghead

I'm white Irish and was raised a Catholic. Some other white irish Catholic kid told all my class there is no Santa in 2nd class.

No matter what their background is, there will always be some smartarse who will try and ruin it for everyone else.

Cantona's Collars

Councils in England tried to be pc about Christmas and Santa when doing public displays and decorations for fear of offending other nationalities who were actually offended by what the council did and how they were ruining tradition.

The Rape of Lucretia

Other aspects expand and enrich the Santa story, like Zwarte Piet :

Moghead

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Other aspects expand and enrich the Santa story, like Zwarte Piet :

We could have a jackeen in a shiny tracksuit, Junkie Jodie

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YM9Ereg2Zo

Charmeleon

McGaggs wrote: »

Isn't Santa a foreign tradition that we got through multiculturalism?

No, you’re thinking of cultural diffusion. That is when customs and traditions are adopted within a culture. Multi-culturalism means separate cultures are not encouraged to integrate or develop a unitary identity.

thegreengoblin

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I wasn't sure how to word the title but the cheapskate Santa thread reminded me of something I've thought about in the past. When I was a kid, diversity wasn't a thing. We were all white, Irish and apart from one Protestant kid in the class, Catholic. So we all had the same belief about Santa. Nowadays there is a lot of diversity, which means there will be kids in the class for whom Santa isn't a thing. Does this cause any problems? Do they tell the other kids that Santa isn't real? Do they get upset that they don't get presents?

I've never heard this happen nor would I expect it to happen. Far more likely to be a bold and meany 'native' kid in their class saying it to them.

AllForIt

Supergurrier wrote: »

Santa is a purely commercial creation. Nothing to do with any religion.

You don't even have to go that far back.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

What does Santa have to do with catholicism?

Saint Nicholas

Charmeleon

thegreengoblin wrote: »

I've never heard this happen nor would I expect it to happen. Far more likely to be a bold and meany 'native' kid in their class saying it to them.

Is that based on anything other than wishful thinking?

Paddy Cow

thegreengoblin wrote: »

I've never heard this happen nor would I expect it to happen. Far more likely to be a bold and meany 'native' kid in their class saying it to them.

At work when customers come in I make chit chat about Christmas. One woman told me that when her child was santa age, there was another mother who didn't do the whole santa thing and told her child the truth, who being a child, obviously went in and told the rest of the class, so it does happen. It caused ructions and she said that even though the kids are college age now, they still don't get on with that mother! I was just wondering if it's becoming a more common thing. The woman wasn't "native" and it was spoiled for the other kids when most were 4/5, so it wasn't an older kid ruining it for the younger ones.

ohnonotgmail

AllForIt wrote: »

Saint Nicholas

and what does that have to with the fat bloke with a beard?

Odhinn

Personally I think that there's too much carrot and not enough stick with santa as it stands- we need Krampus.

Ray Donovan

John Sacrimoni wrote: »

I dont know about Santa, but there are no nativity plays or nativity crib displays in my daughters school anymore.

I’m a primary school teacher and I make sure our school has a crib in the most prominent place in the building. I’m sure this offends many but it’s a Catholic school so tough ****.

John Sacrimoni

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I’m a primary school teacher and I make sure our school has a crib in the most prominent place in the building. I’m sure this offends many but it’s a Catholic school so tough ****.

Exactly, it pisses me off that we are having to change our traditions to accomadate people thag are not from here. If anything it should be the other way around.

This is how we do things, if people dont like it they can always head off back to wherever it is they came from.

Carry

I don't know what most of you are afraid of.

Where I come from we had loads of multicultural festivities, the more the merrier. There was of course the Christian Christmas, the Jewish Hannukkah and the Islamic Eid al-Fitr, also aptly called Sugar Festival in the Turkish community (they have the most delicious sweets...).
Now I have also friends who celebrate the pagan winter solstice.
Any occasion to party was (and is) welcome - to everyone.

All festivities have one thing in common: It's a wonderful get-together with lots of food and merriment, celebrated sometimes with different cultures together.

Nobody wants to take away your Santa, apart from myself maybe I'm a non-believer. I won't tell children though, because I think it's a lovely tradition for little ones and kind of an universal ritual, if you take the religious stuff away.

Christmas as such has pagan roots anyway. It's the darkest time of the year, celebrated with candles (as in Sweden with the Santa Lucia fest) and glitter to oust the darkness, not only outside but inside your soul as well.

The first time I heard anyone having an issue with Santa and Christmas in schools, was the Jehovah Witnesses in a local school about 30 years ago. So its nothing new.

thegreengoblin

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I’m a primary school teacher and I make sure our school has a crib in the most prominent place in the building. I’m sure this offends many but it’s a Catholic school so tough ****.

I'm not Catholic, it wouldn't offend me in the slightest but the way you wrote that sounds like you'd want it to offend people.

thegreengoblin

Charmeleon wrote: »

Is that based on anything other than wishful thinking?

It's based on years of growing up in Ireland and knowing how kids act.

Try_harder

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I’m a primary school teacher and I make sure our school has a crib in the most prominent place in the building. I’m sure this offends many but it’s a Catholic school so tough ****.

does the Joseph look 40 and Mary 14, for accuracy

Omackeral

thegreengoblin wrote: »

I'm not Catholic, it wouldn't offend me in the slightest but the way you wrote that sounds like you'd want it to offend people.

Maybe he's just sick and tired of being told you can't do this or you can't do that?

The Rape of Lucretia

Try_harder wrote: »

Mary 14, for accuracy

I never knew that. Not Muhammad country, but still. Crikey.

John Sacrimoni

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I never knew that. Not Muhammad country, but still. Crikey.

Ronnie Wood territory.

archer22

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I never knew that. Not Muhammad country, but still. Crikey.

https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/30/marriage-of-mary-to-joseph-the-carpenter/ :eek:

Graces7

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

What does Santa have to do with catholicism?

Nothing. Thankfully.

Graces7

Moghead wrote: »

I'm white Irish and was raised a Catholic. Some other white irish Catholic kid told all my class there is no Santa in 2nd class.

No matter what their background is, there will always be some smartarse who will try and ruin it for everyone else.

ruin what?

Omackeral

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

What does Santa have to do with catholicism?

Graces7 wrote: »

Nothing. Thankfully.

Santa is sounder than God. Fact.

Graces7

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I’m a primary school teacher and I make sure our school has a crib in the most prominent place in the building. I’m sure this offends many but it’s a Catholic school so tough ****.

Lovely to see the Cribs in towns also