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Potential Storm Watch Fri 7 Dec 2018

  • 03-12-2018 9:41pm
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    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Meteorite58


    Surprised nobody's mentioned this evenings ECM, gusts of up to 150kmh in west/northwest for friday
    If this evolved as it's being shown,Gfs 12z also had a severe windstorm just to the north of Donegal bay ,would be nasty if it were to continue to drift further south


    Saw that squarecircles , some potent looking charts there all right. GFS and ICON dropped the storm on last night's run but back again today, GFS as you say further North and ICON bringing the winds in over Ireland, now that is something you don't see everyday... ECM similar strength winds to ICON ! The shape of these systems is changing over the last few runs but strong winds showing up at some stage in some part of Ireland by the looks of it. Of course still time to drift further North but has the look of making some contact I think. Even got an early mention on the weather forecast last night after the news showing a chart with a severe storm and mentioning potential for extremely strong winds.

    The Jet powering up this week will lead to some unpredictability with this storm system.

    Probably now is a good enough time to start a dedicated Storm Watch Thread to keep a close an eye on this.

    Current ECM 12Z : Fri early morning shows a deepening storm just off the NW. Continues windy until further very strong winds arrive later in the day from another vigorous wave like system developing from the main storm .

    ECM has been the most consistent with this over the last few days I reckon.

    All open to change one way or the other over the next few days.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Meteorite58


    ICON strongest most direct impact winds of the bunch.

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    Still a bit out of the reaches of ARPGEGE atm, showing the strongest winds missing us on this run . More accurate in a day or so , one way or the other .

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Meteorite58


    Turning much cooler Fri after a relatively mild Thurs . Wintry precipitation perhaps on high ground. Looks like convective potential bringing hail and heavy showers and perhaps thunderstorms. To me has the look of being a harsh day feeling raw in the wind.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭ squarecircles


    18z brings the core of the strongest winds further south,grazing the west and northwest


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,475 ✭✭✭✭ RobbingBandit


    Lock up your daughters and trampolines it's gonna get wild


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Meteorite58


    At this far out UKMO and NOAA very similar.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,277 ✭✭✭✭ Adelynn Massive Whistle-blower


    Feck...if you guys didn't post these threads,we wouldn't be having these storms....instead it would just be breezy with a lot of rain....;)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Meteorite58


    The Jet picking up this week , powering up and steering the systems close to us.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,208 ✭✭✭✭ M.T. Cranium


    Still some scatter in the guidance, the GFS and GEM both have a fairly severe looking gradient by Friday 0300-0600h.

    The general set-up and date remind me of one of Ireland's worst ever wind storms, 8 Dec 1886. A record low pressure in the 920s was observed in Ulster, much damage was reported in Ireland and northwest England, and ships were sunk in the Irish Sea. The map from the wetterzentrale archive, while accurate in general, fails to show the last few isobars around the centre so it was even more fierce than it looks here:

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/reanalysis.php?map=1&model=noaa&var=1&jaar=1886&maand=12&dag=08&uur=1200&h=0&tr=360&nmaps=24#mapref

    (hope that works, if not, navigate to 12z map on 8 Dec 1886).

    Not saying this will repeat, but it's the sort of west-to-east track that exposes all of the country to severe wind gusts blowing through gaps in the terrain from Atlantic to Irish Sea.

    If there is good model consensus on this later today an advance alert will likely be issued. I have mentioned potential for gusts to 120 km/hr but that might be conservative if some guidance verifies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 836 ✭✭✭ derekon


    Still some scatter in the guidance, the GFS and GEM both have a fairly severe looking gradient by Friday 0300-0600h.

    The general set-up and date remind me of one of Ireland's worst ever wind storms, 8 Dec 1886. A record low pressure in the 920s was observed in Ulster, much damage was reported in Ireland and northwest England, and ships were sunk in the Irish Sea. The map from the wetterzentrale archive, while accurate in general, fails to show the last few isobars around the centre so it was even more fierce than it looks here:

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/reanalysis.php?map=1&model=noaa&var=1&jaar=1886&maand=12&dag=08&uur=1200&h=0&tr=360&nmaps=24#mapref

    (hope that works, if not, navigate to 12z map on 8 Dec 1886).

    Not saying this will repeat, but it's the sort of west-to-east track that exposes all of the country to severe wind gusts blowing through gaps in the terrain from Atlantic to Irish Sea.

    If there is good model consensus on this later today an advance alert will likely be issued. I have mentioned potential for gusts to 120 km/hr but that might be conservative if some guidance verifies.

    Thanks for the update MT. You mentioned in your daily forecast this morning that we are heading into a cool dry period once the stormy weather abates late Friday.

    After that, you have pegged the period 21st-23rd as potentially stormy. From your research , is Ireland on course for a cold snap in the last week of December? I know you issued preliminary thoughts on the upcoming winter for Ireland but do you anticipate issuing a final winter forecast over the coming week?

    Believe it or not, it's one of the highlights of the year here on weather boards!

    Thanks
    Derek


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭ squarecircles


    Latest weather models show an increasingly likely chance that Ireland will receive damaging winds from an intense Atlantic storm depression later this week.

    That's according to Midlands Weather Channel expert Cathal Nolan, who posted his latest findings on social media this morning.

    "While the storm is a considerable time away at present, early estimates suggest that if the storm system develops as projected, then wind speeds may gust between 140 - 16o km/hr across parts of May, Sligo, Leitrim, Donegal, Derry and Antrim, where status red warnings would in all likelihood be issued," said Mr Nolan.

    And it would be rough across the rest of the country too, with winds elsewhere expected to reach between 120 and 140 km/hr which, according to Mr Nolan, would mean widespread orange weather warnings would also be issued, should the potential storm develop as indicated by the latest weather models.


    "What makes this storm particularly dangerous in comparison to more recent storms is the fact that it’s projected to develop rapidly close to Ireland, meaning it’s full affects will be felt, and also there exists a higher chance of witnessing sting jet development also," he said.

    A sting jet is a meteorological phenomenon, which can cause severely damaging winds.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,113 Mod ✭✭✭✭ DOCARCH


    Midlands Weather Channel...

    Hmmmm....


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,240 ✭✭✭✭ Cee-Jay-Cee


    We are supposed to travel from Donegal to Dublin on Friday at midday to go to the zoo for the Christmas lights show however I'm having doubts as whether that's wise or not given the potential weather expected. Can anyone advise whether Dublin will see storm conditions?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭ Rebelbrowser


    We are supposed to travel from Donegal to Dublin on Friday at midday to go to the zoo for the Christmas lights show however I'm having doubts as whether that's wise or not given the potential weather expected. Can anyone advise whether Dublin will see storm conditions?

    No one will have any clear idea until Thursday really


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Meteorite58


    Big spread in the models this morning with a lot of uncertainty. ECM showing weaker winds on the latest run , up to 110 -120 km/h on coasts , Others showing strongest winds in the NW 110 - 130km/h , more so on the coasts. Windy day across Ireland,up to 80 - 90 km/h in general but timing , track and strength all to be ironed out with more changes over the coming days.

    Nobody can say for certain atm which way this will go.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭ VW 1


    We are supposed to travel from Donegal to Dublin on Friday at midday to go to the zoo for the Christmas lights show however I'm having doubts as whether that's wise or not given the potential weather expected. Can anyone advise whether Dublin will see storm conditions?

    Given the lack of certainty on the severity weather event, and the fact it isn't for several days, hold off and play it by ear. If on Friday morning there are advisories not to travel, don't travel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 796 ✭✭✭ Sycamore Tree


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Hmmmm....

    Yeah the midlands weather channel always seems to overegg these storms considerably leading to disappointments.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭ jirafa


    Perhaps a few questions answered here, both short term and early Winter .

    What will influence our winter weather? - The Weather Studio




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭ Rebelbrowser


    The GFS, UKMO and GEM 12z output all seem to move this northward so its more of a NI / UK Midlands and northward event. Still very windy from our own midlands northward but not a direct hit by any means.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭ jasper100


    The GFS, UKMO and GEM 12z output all seem to move this northward so its more of a NI / UK Midlands and northward event. Still very windy from our own midlands northward but not a direct hit by any means.

    Good news. I can do without the BS of RTE ramping it relentlessly with a prime time special then an empty studio for the late late show with just a gentle breeze outside.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 Clonmel1000


    jasper100 wrote: »
    Good news. I can do without the BS of RTE ramping it relentlessly with a prime time special then an empty studio for the late late show with just a gentle breeze outside.

    RTE ramping? That’s a bit harsh given what occurs on boards and elsewhere at times in fairness.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Meteorite58


    A split in the camp between the ECM and the other group of models . From what I can make out the ECM on this run is not showing the earlier Low develop until it has passed Ireland Thurs night , not showing any winds of note early Fri morning. This is a big departure from earlier runs so might be an outlier. It shows the secondary low Fri evening bringing strong winds for a time more across the Southern half of the country , fast moving system.

    GFS, ARPEGE, ICON , GEM and WRF all showing strong winds late Thurs night / early Fri morning more so in the NW /N but they differ in strength and track and all go on to show strong winds in one shape or form later Fri afternoon/ evening but again difference in track.

    For the record ICON showing a fairly strong storm move up along Atlantic coasts early Fri morning, it goes on to track near Northern coasts and move across through N UK / Scotland , brings the strong winds in across the W , NW and Northern counties producing stormy conditions gusting up around 130 km/h and more on coasts. This was roughly the track being shown by the ECM originally too, I wonder will the ECM come back to something similar . This track has similarities with what the other models are showing also . ICON showing the strongest winds but these could tone down a bit.

    Met Eireann : Thursday night: Rain becoming widespread on Thursday night, accompanied by increasingly windy or possibly stormy conditions for a time as southwesterly gales develop

    Friday: Bright spells and scattered blustery showers for Friday. Some of the showers will be heavy with a risk of hail and thunder, possibly merging to longer spells of rain later in the day. Southwesterly winds will decrease fresh to strong and gusty for a time but again the potential for gales force winds through the latter half of the afternoon and evening, as winds veer northwesterly. Cooler, with afternoon highs ranging 5 to 8 degrees.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,208 ✭✭✭✭ M.T. Cranium


    The evolution is complex, but as of now, a 975 mb low sits south of Greenland at 55N 50W. (18z CMC analysis)

    Given that there's a lot of "dead" synoptic patterns in various regions of the hemisphere, this could become a near-time explosive developer and those usually don't tip their hand very far in advance. There will be a strong energy peak with the new moon timed for 7th at 07z, so I would not take this too lightly (yet).

    This recent map of SST values shows a strong thermal gradient near where this storm is developing.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 507 ✭✭✭ tikkamark


    The evolution is complex, but as of now, a 975 mb low sits south of Greenland at 55N 50W. (18z CMC analysis)

    Given that there's a lot of "dead" synoptic patterns in various regions of the hemisphere, this could become a near-time explosive developer and those usually don't tip their hand very far in advance. There will be a strong energy peak with the new moon timed for 7th at 07z, so I would not take this too lightly (yet).

    This recent map of SST values shows a strong thermal gradient near where this storm is developing.

    https://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2018/anomnight.12.3.2018.gif
    I’m no means a weather expert and I know it’s probably not very accurate but you can see that area of low pressure at the tip of Greenland very clearly on the windy app at the moment,it’s saying it’s going to stay in or around that spot until roughly Thursday it’s being fed by currents coming along the east coast of Greenland as it breaks away from that spot and heads our way it looks to be gathering serious energy


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Meteorite58


    Latest GFS 18Z and ICON 18Z now leaning towards the ECM 12Z . ICON looking nothing like the earlier stormy chart.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,208 ✭✭✭✭ M.T. Cranium


    You know if the GFS and ICON can't find a storm, there's no storm. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭ ninebeanrows


    Significant run to run change from EC.

    Stormy for northwest on this run from T48hrs


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,502 ✭✭✭✭ Xenji


    Status Yellow - Wind warning for Connacht, Cavan, Donegal, Clare, Kerry and Limerick
    Southwest winds will reach mean wind speeds between 55 to 65km/h with gusts of 90 to 110km/h, strongest near coasts where these limits may be exceeded for a short period later on Thursday night.

    Issued: Wednesday 05 December 2018 12:00

    Updated: Wednesday 05 December 2018 12:00

    Valid from Thursday 06 December 2018 22:00 to Friday 07 December 2018 09:00


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭ typhoony


    quite a potent little system off the NW Coast this friday, wouldn't be surprised if there's a Orange\Red alert up there. 90mph gusts just off the far NW coast and North coast of N.Ireland


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,852 ✭✭✭ pauldry


    Yes a very possible 140kph in the Northwest or Malin

    .....on present charts


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Meteorite58


    Just taking a look through the charts on the phone also and I would think that they have increased wind speeds over the last two runs, the system early Fri morning a lot closer to the NW coasts. Wouldent be surprised to see wind speeds increase more. Fri looking very windy and squally across the country.


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