Premiership football support.....I just don't understand the point?

DS86DS

Ok, well before I begin this......my dad and sister are big Man United fans ....and many of my relatives and friends are supporters of some Premiership team...and they are dead on supporting their victories and have a true passion for it.

But me........I have just never understood it....,..the passion in this country for the Premiership. It's no big deal I guess....and the dad and sis love Man U ...and many closest to me support other Premiership teams




But for me ......sport is a kind of extension of society.

I support Dublin in every GAA football and hurling match.

Equally..... I support Ireland in all international events.


But Man United and Arsenal? I just don't see what the deal is

I'm not a Manc or a Londoner...............it confuses me what I would get out supporting these teams



Sport to me is an extension of primal Identity.......the only two teams I support are Dublin and Ireland


But maybe I'm just a bit backwards....... I don't know

beertons

Go back to bed.

DS86DS

beertons wrote: »

Go back to bed.

I wish I could.

DS86DS

DS86DS wrote: »

Ok, well before I begin this......my dad and sister are big Man United fans ....and many of my relatives and friends are supporters of some Premiership team...and they are dead on supporting their victories and have a true passion for it.

But me........I have just never understood it....,..the passion in this country for the Premiership. It's no big deal I guess....and the dad and sis love Man U ...and many closest to me support other Premiership teams




But for me ......sport is a kind of extension of society.

I support Dublin in every GAA football and hurling match.

Equally..... I support Ireland in all international events.


But Man United and Arsenal? I just don't see what the deal is

I'm not a Manc or a Londoner...............it confuses me what I would get out supporting these teams



Sport to me is an extension of primal Identity.......the only two teams I support are Dublin and Ireland


But maybe I'm just a bit backwards....... I don't know

I don't understand it either. Then again, I follow Aston Villa.

Yer Da sells Avon

Why do people do anything? Sure we're all going to die anyway. I suppose having interests and hobbies makes the whole 'knowing that you and everyone you know will be dead relatively soon' thing a bit more tolerable. I genuinely wish I was into soccer, beyond a passing interest, because there's so much of it happening at any given time.

beertons

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't understand it either. Then again, I follow Aston Villa.

Bet you weren't saying that Tuesday night. 10 goals full.

FTA69

I support Spurs and I live next to the stadium. But then again I always supported them ever since my aunt living here brought me to a game when I was a child and Juergen Klinsmann scores four goals in a row in front of me and I thought it was great.

I mean I don’t begrudge people supporting the Premiership but sometimes in Ireland people can take it too far, losing the plot over a team like United or Liverpool based in cities they have absolutely no connection to or that they know nothing about bar the route from the airport to the stadium.

At the end of the day if you’re a proper soccer fan you should at the least be supporting your local team as well, the buzz around League of Ireland support is often a great laugh. Local football is a right bang if there’s a good gang of people there.

I tend to find people at home foaming about Man United or Liverpool while they wouldn’t cross the road to watch Cork City a bit tedious to be honest.

DS86DS

FTA69 wrote: »

I support Spurs and I live next to the stadium. But then again I always supported them ever since my aunt living here brought me to a game when I was a child and Juergen Klinsmann scores four goals in a row in front of me and I thought it was great.

I mean I don’t begrudge people supporting the Premiership but sometimes in Ireland people can take it too far, losing the plot over a team like United or Liverpool based in cities they have absolutely no connection to or that they know nothing about bar the route from the airport to the stadium.

At the end of the day if you’re a proper soccer fan you should at the least be supporting your local team as well, the buzz around League of Ireland support is often a great laugh. Local football is a right bang if there’s a good gang of people there.

I tend to find people at home foaming about Man United or Liverpool while they wouldn’t cross the road to watch Cork City a bit tedious to be honest.

I kind of understand as a Cockney (I'm presuming?) Why you'd have a passion for a local team....just as I do for Dublin


It's no big deal I guess. It's just unusual how anybody who isn't s Manc could be passionate about MUFC

MactheKnife90

DS86DS wrote: »

Ok, well before I begin this......my dad and sister are big Man United fans ....and many of my relatives and friends are supporters of some Premiership team...and they are dead on supporting their victories and have a true passion for it.

But me........I have just never understood it....,..the passion in this country for the Premiership. It's no big deal I guess....and the dad and sis love Man U ...and many closest to me support other Premiership teams




But for me ......sport is a kind of extension of society.

I support Dublin in every GAA football and hurling match.

Equally..... I support Ireland in all international events.


But Man United and Arsenal? I just don't see what the deal is

I'm not a Manc or a Londoner...............it confuses me what I would get out supporting these teams



Sport to me is an extension of primal Identity.......the only two teams I support are Dublin and Ireland


But maybe I'm just a bit backwards....... I don't know

Here here. Never could understand it myself

RobbieTheRobber

FTA69 wrote: »

I support Spurs and I live next to the stadium. But then again I always supported them ever since my aunt living here brought me to a game when I was a child and Juergen Klinsmann scores four goals in a row in front of me and I thought it was great.

I mean I don’t begrudge people supporting the Premiership but sometimes in Ireland people can take it too far, losing the plot over a team like United or Liverpool based in cities they have absolutely no connection to or that they know nothing about bar the route from the airport to the stadium.

At the end of the day if you’re a proper soccer fan you should at the least be supporting your local team as well, the buzz around League of Ireland support is often a great laugh. Local football is a right bang if there’s a good gang of people there.

I tend to find people at home foaming about Man United or Liverpool while they wouldn’t cross the road to watch Cork City a bit tedious to be honest.

What stadium do you live next to Wembley?

People support football for entertainment you don't need a connection to a city to get enjoyment from watching world class sorts people participate in their sport.

So some people take support to far, don't people do that about everything from loyalty to fashion brands and ketchup brands to their favourite fückin smokes brand.

So really the ops question is people like something I don't, why?

Road-Hog

MactheKnife90 wrote: »

Here here. Never could understand it myself

Even more relevant these days......such a crowd of over paid, narcissistic, lady boys the lot of them.....rolling around like babies if someone puts a finger on them.

Mrcaramelchoc

I know.i mean rugby is so much better.

DS86DS

By the way, I'm not some Shinner nutjob who thinks that anybody who follows the Premiership is some kind of abomination.

I just don't get the fascination. I understand Man United are a great sports team

But they mean nothing to me......... I'd be happier seeing Dublin kicking their way around Kerry or Mayo

It makes me proud to be a Dub



But whatever...tis not important...just an afterthought

McDermotX

DS86DS wrote: »

Ok, well before I begin this......my dad and sister are big Man United fans ....

Wouldn't worry about the rest of it, as the biggest problem you have there right now is your dad and sister TBH.

_Brian

I followed it as a kid, you see these guys playing and earning huge money and it’s great.

Then you grow up and realise it’s just WWE with teams and a ball. All the diving and rolling about holding their shins, not one of them are worth their pay.

Can’t see why anyone over 12-13 would be drawn to it.

The Crowman

I've never gotten it either. One thing I can't stand is fellas who make it their main, and in some cases their only topic of conversation "we're in with a chance" blah blah etc.

grenache

DS86DS wrote: »

Ok, well before I begin this......my dad and sister are big Man United fans ....and many of my relatives and friends are supporters of some Premiership team...and they are dead on supporting their victories and have a true passion for it.

But me........I have just never understood it....,..the passion in this country for the Premiership. It's no big deal I guess....and the dad and sis love Man U ...and many closest to me support other Premiership teams




But for me ......sport is a kind of extension of society.

I support Dublin in every GAA football and hurling match.

Equally..... I support Ireland in all international events.


But Man United and Arsenal? I just don't see what the deal is

I'm not a Manc or a Londoner...............it confuses me what I would get out supporting these teams



Sport to me is an extension of primal Identity.......the only two teams I support are Dublin and Ireland


But maybe I'm just a bit backwards....... I don't know

Me neither..........the footballing connoisseurs know the real football is in The Championship

FTA69

DS86DS wrote: »

I kind of understand as a Cockney (I'm presuming?) Why you'd have a passion for a local team....just as I do for Dublin


It's no big deal I guess. It's just unusual how anybody who isn't s Manc could be passionate about MUFC

I’m not a cockney but I’m living here ten years now so it’s my local team in essence.

Annd9

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

What stadium do you live next to Wembley?

People support football for entertainment you don't need a connection to a city to get enjoyment from watching world class sorts people participate in their sport.

So some people take support to far, don't people do that about everything from loyalty to fashion brands and ketchup brands to their favourite fückin smokes brand.

So really the ops question is people like something I don't, why?

In my experience people who watch the premiership as opposed to the league of Ireland claim it's about entertainment , when questioned if they then support Brazil instead of Ireland it suddenly becomes about passion .

Rossi IRL

Why watch Game of Thrones etc when you could just watch Fair City.

People will watch the better quality content.

Outlaw Pete

Used to love UK football, traveled over to many a match with my Dad in the mid to late 80's, but money has ruined the game now.

I agree that team sport has a societal element to it and I miss seeing that pride in homegrown talent which you'd see back then and was also great to see how some players stayed loyal to the team they came up in despite big offers being made to play elsewhere.

The FA should have capped the amount of players teams were allowed to have in their squads that hadn't come up through the youth team and also had rules about how much of the youth team had to be from the local area (within reason).

FTA69

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

What stadium do you live next to Wembley?

People support football for entertainment you don't need a connection to a city to get enjoyment from watching world class sorts people participate in their sport.

So some people take support to far, don't people do that about everything from loyalty to fashion brands and ketchup brands to their favourite fückin smokes brand.

So really the ops question is people like something I don't, why?

As I said I’ve no problem people enjoying the Premiership or La Liga or whatever else floats your boat. I’ve no problem people picking a given team either. But there’s a difference between that and referring to your team in a northern English city as “we”’ when you know p*ss all about that city or have anything to do with it; or abusing people as “scouse bastards” etc in a pub in Cork when Man United and Liverpool are playing. It’s just a bizarre adoption of a regional identity they’ve nothing to do with.

Lastly, if you’re a football fan then you should be supporting your local team and supporting the sport at a local level. I’m from Cork, I didn’t suddenly start supporting Kilkenny in the hurling because they happened to be the best at one period in time.

DS86DS

Look.... before anybody here is seeking to rip me a new A-hole

I just said.....loads of people around me follow the Premiership and have for a long time

I just don't understand it though.......what about Man United and Chelsea is so fascinating?

I mean if I were a native born Manc or Cockney......I'd be supporting them like I support Dublin in football and hurling.


But why support Man United or Chelsea?........ I just don't get it


For me .......sport taps into that caveman tribal instinct and hence I support Dublin and Ireland ....both Dublin and Ireland mean something to me

But as I'm not a Manchester local........MUFC though I'll admit they are a great sports team....they mean nothing with me



I'm just curious.... because I can't find any logic to it



I used to go to see St. Pat's in Inchicore




Ah jaysus.....maybe I'm just a grumpy cretin this morning and the lot of you are best ignoring me.

But I can see myself supporting the Dubs in Crocker or St. Pat's in Inchicore .....,. I just don't understand why I'd support a team that I've never had any affiliation with.

PlaneSpeeking

Personally, grew up in the UK and been an Everton fan since birth, been going the game since 1976 and fly over for every home, and a load of aways.

There needs to be noted that there's a huge difference between a football fan, like myself and many others and those who messed their trousers in 1999/2005 and couldn't pick out Old Trafford or Anfield with a GPS and a sniffer dog.

PlaneSpeeking

DS86DS wrote: »

Look.... before anybody here is seeking to rip me a new A-hole

I just said.....loads of people around me follow the Premiership and have for a long time

I just don't understand it though.......what about Man United and Chelsea is so fascinating?

I mean if I were a native born Manc or Cockney......I'd be supporting them like I support Dublin in football and hurling.


But why support Man United or Chelsea?........ I just don't get it


For me .......sport taps into that caveman tribal instinct and hence I support Dublin and Ireland ....both Dublin and Ireland mean something to me

But as I'm not a Manchester local........MUFC though I'll admit they are a great sports team....they mean nothing with me



I'm just curious.... because I can't find any logic to it



I used to go to see St. Pat's in Inchicore




Ah jaysus.....maybe I'm just a grumpy cretin this morning and the lot of you are best ignoring me.

But I can see myself supporting the Dubs in Crocker or St. Pat's in Inchicore .....,. I just don't understand why I'd support a team that I've never had any affiliation with.

Easy - they won stuff and the pathetic Olympic level bandwagon jumpers are fickle and "support" 5 or 6 teams in their lifetime.

I pity them tbh.

FTA69

Also any Irish fella knocking about saying he supports Manchester City needs to be derided immediately.

DS86DS

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Personally, grew up in the UK and been an Everton fan since birth, been going the game since 1976 and fly over for every home, and a load of aways.

There needs to be noted that there's a huge difference between a football fan, like myself and many others and those who messed their trousers in 1999/2005 and couldn't pick out Old Trafford or Anfield with a GPS and a sniffer dog.

There is a big difference though...you grew up there and have supported the same team for over 4 decades...... regardless of whether they win or lose.

I'm thinking that Everton mean a lot to you.....and you'd support them even if they haven't done anything in years such as Dublin in hurling.


I commend you for sticking you to your guns and supporting what you grew up with.

I see I'll support St. Pat's in the Irish league and Dublin ....even though both have been sh!te

What I don't get though is people supporting a team when they have no connection with Manchester

Technically any Irish person would support Liverpool......an Irish city outside of Ireland just like Boston in the USA

I can at least see the Irish connection in Liverpool or Boston


But even then........ I have never met a Scouser or Bostonian that roars for Dublin in an all Ireland

But I guess it doesn't matter......... I'm sure people have their reasons

super_furry

bucketybuck

Its really going to blow your mind when you find out some people support American football teams...

weldoninhio

DS86DS wrote: »

Ok, well before I begin this......my dad and sister are big Man United fans ....and many of my relatives and friends are supporters of some Premiership team...and they are dead on supporting their victories and have a true passion for it.

But me........I have just never understood it....,..the passion in this country for the Premiership. It's no big deal I guess....and the dad and sis love Man U ...and many closest to me support other Premiership teams




But for me ......sport is a kind of extension of society.

I support Dublin in every GAA football and hurling match.

Equally..... I support Ireland in all international events.


But Man United and Arsenal? I just don't see what the deal is

I'm not a Manc or a Londoner...............it confuses me what I would get out supporting these teams



Sport to me is an extension of primal Identity.......the only two teams I support are Dublin and Ireland


But maybe I'm just a bit backwards....... I don't know

Why do people watch US TV shows like The Wire or The Sopranos. Shows to me are an extension of primary identity. The only shows I watch are Ros Na Run and Fair City.

Different people like different things SHOCKER


Congrats on figuring that out OP.

TheMilkyPirate

I'd be like the OP, The only two teams I support are Wexford GAA and the Irish soccer team. I follow football in general and watch premier league games every weekend but just found it impossible to build a bond with a team, connection just wasn't there.

To be honest a lot of the people that say they follow an english team are just following the crowd and deep down couldn't really care. It's a bit sad really. Even my friends who are Liverpool/Man U mad if either team lose a big game they're fine afterwards laughing and joking. They're not from these places so they just forget about it easily afterwards. Not saying all are like this but I see it often enough.

DS86DS

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its really going to blow your mind when you find out some people support American football teams...

I don't understand that either.....but all the more power to them

Not against anybody supporting sports teams in the UK or US

Just could never understand what the fascination with support went.


Honestly couldn't care if people support Man United or the NY Giants


I'm not a New Yorker or Manc..... I don't understand why one would support them


Nothing wrong with it......maybe I'm just an outdated dinosaur... I don't know

Each to their own I guess

MrMusician18

DS86DS wrote: »

Look.... before anybody here is seeking to rip me a new A-hole

I just said.....loads of people around me follow the Premiership and have for a long time

I just don't understand it though.......what about Man United and Chelsea is so fascinating?

I mean if I were a native born Manc or Cockney......I'd be supporting them like I support Dublin in football and hurling.


But why support Man United or Chelsea?........ I just don't get it


For me .......sport taps into that caveman tribal instinct and hence I support Dublin and Ireland ....both Dublin and Ireland mean something to me

But as I'm not a Manchester local........MUFC though I'll admit they are a great sports team....they mean nothing with me



I'm just curious.... because I can't find any logic to it



I used to go to see St. Pat's in Inchicore




Ah jaysus.....maybe I'm just a grumpy cretin this morning and the lot of you are best ignoring me.

But I can see myself supporting the Dubs in Crocker or St. Pat's in Inchicore .....,. I just don't understand why I'd support a team that I've never had any affiliation with.

The team you follow is the one that was successful when you were 10 years old.

I think it all boils down to tribalism in the end. Some people also find following a premier league team to be a useful social crutch (not limited to the premier league obviously)

Salvation Tambourine

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

I'd be like the OP, The only two teams I support are Wexford GAA and the Irish soccer team. I follow football in general and watch premier league games every weekend but just found it impossible to build a bond with a team, connection just wasn't there.

To be honest a lot of the people that say they follow an english team are just following the crowd and deep down couldn't really care. It's a bit sad really. Even my friends who are Liverpool/Man U mad if either team lose a big game they're fine afterwards laughing and joking. They're not from these places so they just forget about it easily afterwards. Not saying all are like this but I see it often enough.

I've laughed and joked with Mayo and Kerry fans recently after All Ireland Finals, maybe people just react in different ways and don't let sport rule their life?

PlaneSpeeking

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The team you follow is the one that was successful when you were 10 years old.

I think it all boils down to tribalism in the end. Some people also find following a premier league team to be a useful social crutch (not limited to the premier league obviously)

Not necessarily, I was 14 before my team won anything and I'd been going the game 8 years be then.

Salvation Tambourine

I think most people don't choose to support English teams, it just happens from a young age. A parent or older sibling supports them so you follow suit.

As a supporter of the team you may go to the city to watch a match, you may enjoy the city and return on a frequent basis. If someone has been to a city twenty times would you class that as having an affinity with a city?

DS86DS

Nokotan wrote: »

I've laughed and joked with Mayo and Kerry fans recently after All Ireland Finals, maybe people just react in different ways and don't let sport rule their life?

Be careful about how you pick your words though..... Culchies can be rather sensitive about the Dubs raising the Sam for the millionth time

TheMilkyPirate

Nokotan wrote: »

I've laughed and joked with Mayo and Kerry fans recently after All Ireland Finals, maybe people just react in different ways and don't let sport rule their life?

Yeah that's true, but even when they win their reactions are subdued. Point I was trying to make is that the majority of people who follow English football teams don't have anywhere near the same passion or connection with said team as people who follow teams from where they are from. With a few exceptions obviously.

yourdeadwright

Isn't it quite obvious ?

People who love soccer and the closest big league is in England, Its only semi professional here , so England is the closest professional league ,

So people who love the game want to support a team , its at more emotional and fun if you support a team than just watching any game weekly ,
Its human nature to get more thrills if you emotionally connect to something and tribalism is part of it also you feel like your part of something bigger,

Its basically human nature,

farmchoice

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why do people watch US TV shows like The Wire or The Sopranos. Shows to me are an extension of primary identity. The only shows I watch are Ros Na Run and Fair City.

Different people like different things SHOCKER


Congrats on figuring that out OP.

i dont think the point was about watching it and enjoying it it was about following one particular team with a great passion.


i love watching the premiership as a product but i would not be able to passionately support a team from Liverpool any more than i could one from barcalona or new york, because i'm not from any of those places, i dont have any connection to them as such.


mind you good luck to them each to their own and all that.



i was once in the pub with a mate of mine who claims to be a big Liverpool fan ( never been to liverpool) he shouted at another fella in the pub that he was ''manc filth'' , the other chap was also from mayo, in turn called my friend a ''scouse ****''. they then started chanting at each other in bad put on english accents which were both more cockney then northern.
the chants were all grossly offensive.
this is the kind of carry on that i feel is taking it too far.

RobbieTheRobber

Annd9 wrote: »

In my experience people who watch the premiership as opposed to the league of Ireland claim it's about entertainment , when questioned if they then support Brazil instead of Ireland it suddenly becomes about passion .

Why cant it be about both?

Supporting your nations sporting endeavors is different from being a fan of a sport.

Im not a boxing fan but roll on the Olympics and I'll cheer on Paddy Barnes and katie taylor or whoever, doesn't mean i have to give a **** about the current heavy weight champions though does it?

RobbieTheRobber

farmchoice wrote: »

i dont think the point was about watching it and enjoying it it was about following one particular team with a great passion.


i love watching the premiership as a product but i would not be able to passionately support a team from Liverpool any more than i could one from barcalona or new york, because i'm not from any of those places, i dont have any connection to them as such.


mind you good luck to them each to their own and all that.



i was once in the pub with a mate of mine who claims to be a big Liverpool fan ( never been to liverpool) he shouted at another fella in the pub that he was ''manc filth'' , the other chap was also from mayo, in turn called my friend a ''scouse ****''. they then started chanting at each other in bad put on english accents which were both more cockney then northern.
the chants were all grossly offensive.
this is the kind of carry on that i feel is taking it too far.

You probably shouldn't go the pub any more if you are so delicate.

farmchoice

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

You probably shouldn't go the pub any more if you are so delicate.

my point was about the absurdity of Irish people disparaging each other by shouting slurs at each other because they supported different english teams and doing so in put on English accents and trying to rise each other by mocking the deaths of player from one english club and supporters from another.
i wasn't personally offended, although i was disappointed in the people involved as i thought they should have had more sense.

Billy Mays

There's few things cringier than Irish people referring to themselves or others as scousers or mancs.

Irish Liverpool fans are an odd breed. If you slag off the city of London to an Arsenal/Spurs fan or the city of Manchester to a United fan they tend to just shrug their shoulders. Say anything negative about the city of Liverpool to an LFC fan and they're on the defensive straight away. A lot of them genuinely think that supporting Liverpool makes them different to other football fans and that they're part of some sort of special football family.

yourdeadwright

farmchoice wrote: »

i dont think the point was about watching it and enjoying it it was about following one particular team with a great passion.


i love watching the premiership as a product but i would not be able to passionately support a team from Liverpool any more than i could one from barcalona or new york, because i'm not from any of those places, i dont have any connection to them as such.


mind you good luck to them each to their own and all that.



i was once in the pub with a mate of mine who claims to be a big Liverpool fan ( never been to liverpool) he shouted at another fella in the pub that he was ''manc filth'' , the other chap was also from mayo, in turn called my friend a ''scouse ****''. they then started chanting at each other in bad put on english accents which were both more cockney then northern.
the chants were all grossly offensive.
this is the kind of carry on that i feel is taking it too far.

Wow iv never heard of people in a pub acting like at*eholes before !!!

PlaneSpeeking

Billy Mays wrote: »

There's few things cringier than Irish people referring to themselves or others as scousers or mancs.

Irish Liverpool fans are an odd breed. If you slag off the city of London to an Arsenal/Spurs fan or the city of Manchester to a United fan they tend to just shrug their shoulders. Say anything negative about the city of Liverpool to an LFC fan and they're on the defensive straight away. A lot of them genuinely think that supporting Liverpool makes them different to other football fans and that they're part of some sort of special football family.

Agreed, I've had a plastic red here tell me "hey we're all Scousers".

Told him to f**k off as Clondalkin was nowhere near the Pier Head!

RobbieTheRobber

farmchoice wrote: »

my point was about the absurdity of Irish people disparaging each other by shouting slurs at each other because they supported different english teams and doing so in put on English accents and trying to rise each other by mocking the deaths of player from one english club and supporters from another.
i wasn't personally offended, although i was disappointed in the people involved as i thought they should have had more sense.

But if they were calling each other abusive slurs and being disparaging because their local parish teams were playing each other, that would be ok though right?

farmchoice

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Wow iv never heard of people in a pub acting like at*eholes before !!!

and if ever there is a thread about d''o people behave like assholes in pubs and should they be allowed '' then ill quote my story in it and we can debate if its a good thing or a bad thing.

the point i was making was about the strange phenomenon of people form Ireland supporting english clubs to a degree that might be considered by some (me), as excessive.

farmchoice

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

But if they were calling each other abusive slurs and being disparaging because their local parish teams were playing each other, that would be ok though right?

well it would make sense,the point i'm making isn't really about the name calling etc, its the context.

SoupyNorman

It’s an escapism.

Do you have an issue with folks who support a Formula 1 team or driver?

I think the undertone of OP’s post is…why an Irish person supports a British club.

topper75

It is just Eastenders/Corrie for boys.

That is all it is. Canteen chat.

If only the football mattered - fine. Grand game and all.

But this childish stuff between managers and who is this player dating and will that other player leave in the summer etc. - just drama for boys. Meaningless if you genuinely like the game.