Bedroom Air vent in buildin wardrobe

The boarder

I recently snagged a new build and the airvent in the master bedroom is in the built in wardrobe. Our snagger said ir should be moved. However, the builder said the show house is the same and its grand.

I had a quick google regs on air vents but none the wiser.

Any thoughts on who is correct?
Thanks

BryanF

the vent for ‘room ventilation’ isn’t functioning inside a wardrobe. I’d argue it’s against the spirit of the guidance documents.
As a mater of interest, what was the air-tightness test? And is it a 6” vent?

Gumbo

The boarder wrote: »

I recently snagged a new build and the airvent in the master bedroom is in the built in wardrobe. Our snagger said ir should be moved. However, the builder said the show house is the same and its grand.

I had a quick google regs on air vents but none the wiser.

Any thoughts on who is correct?
Thanks

Where is this estate?

The boarder

The estate is in drogheda.

Yeah thought it is strange and pointless in there.

The size would be standard. Not sure of the air test, but the house is rated as A3

Ginger83

We had a bedroom built and no vent was put in at all.

BryanF

Ginger83 wrote: »

We had a bedroom built and no vent was put in at all.

Yes and you recently documented several other non compliance’s

BryanF

The boarder wrote: »

The estate is in drogheda.

Yeah thought it is strange and pointless in there.

The size would be standard. Not sure of the air test, but the house is rated as A3

Is it your responsibility to know whether each room should have a 4 or 6inch vent?

Wildly Boaring

BryanF wrote: »

Yes and you recently documented several other non compliance’s

You gave a thread on them concreting in your radon cap and not putting any membrane under the floor.

Seems you may now have another issue. More serious than the radon one for now until you get radon levels tested.

OP cannot see how such a vent would provide free air movement

Wildly Boaring

"It's grand" coming from a builder is not any answer.

Now if his eng or arch will put that in writing then you'll have an argument on your hands

Ginger83

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

You gave a thread on them concreting in your radon cap and not putting any membrane under the floor.

Seems you may now have another issue. More serious than the radon one for now until you get radon levels tested.

OP cannot see how such a vent would provide free air movement

Do i? A window has a trickle vent. Does that count?

Ginger83

BryanF wrote: »

Yes and you recently documented several other non compliance’s

Thats correct but how is that relevent to this problem?

Wildly Boaring

Ginger83 wrote: »

Do i? A window has a trickle vent. Does that count?

It should. Some would argue that as it can be closed it does not fulfill requirements.

Cannot tell if sufficient. Up to your designer

Ginger83

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

It should. Some would argue that as it can be closed it does not fulfill requirements.

Cannot tell if sufficient. Up to your designer

There was no designer, the builder spec'd and built it.

Gumbo

Ginger83 wrote: »

There was no designer, the builder spec'd and built it.

That’s your first mistake.
One, which you were advised not to do I believe.

The boarder

BryanF wrote: »

The boarder wrote: »

The estate is in drogheda.

Yeah thought it is strange and pointless in there.

The size would be standard. Not sure of the air test, but the house is rated as A3

Is it your responsibility to know whether each room should have a 4 or 6inch vent?

I dont think it would be my responsibilty as we are purchasing the house from.the builder. Its their responsibility to build.the house to current building regs. I was just asking what the current reg say about air vents in bedrooms.

Wildly Boaring

The boarder wrote: »

I dont think it would be my responsibilty as we are purchasing the house from.the builder. Its their responsibility to build.the house to current building regs. I was just asking what the current reg say about air vents in bedrooms.

That's fair.

I would look at it this way too.

It's a snag that you will have to pay money to rectify in the medium term.

You will have moisture issues in a bedroom of an A rated house if the vent is blocked by bring in a press

Ginger83

kceire wrote: »

That’s your first mistake.
One, which you were advised not to do I believe.

I don't get that. We got a council grant. The council told us a pick a registered builder which we did. We told the builder we need a disabled bedroom and bathroom. The builder built it and got paid the grant.

Someone in the council signed off this job but it was never checked. Sure there were no safety grab rails fitted in the bathroom and the sink was not a disabled sink, who'd sign that off after checking it. The builder is full of excuses and the council engineer doesn't want to know and said go back to the builder.

Cowboys ted (and probably backhanders)

sydthebeat

Ginger83 wrote: »

I don't get that. We got a council grant. The council told us a pick a registered builder which we did. We told the builder we need a disabled bedroom and bathroom. The builder built it and got paid the grant.

Someone in the council signed off this job but it was never checked. Sure there were no safety grab rails fitted in the bathroom and the sink was not a disabled sink, who'd sign that off after checking it. The builder is full of excuses and the council engineer doesn't want to know and said go back to the builder.

Cowboys ted (and probably backhanders)

i sign off a lot of these kind of jobs and ive noticed that different councils can have vastly different systems of compliance.

1. did you have a specification from an occupational therapist for the builder to work to?
2. did you, or the builder, have to supply drawings for approval prior to commencement?
3. before grant was paid out, did you have to get the work certified by an appropriate person with PI insurance to say its compliant with planing and building regulations?


if 2 and 3 are no, then the councils due diligence is severely lacking and id put the blame square on them for building regulation non compliance.

Ginger83

sydthebeat wrote: »

i sign off a lot of these kind of jobs and ive noticed that different councils can have vastly different systems of compliance.

1. did you have a specification from an occupational therapist for the builder to work to?
2. did you, or the builder, have to supply drawings for approval prior to commencement?
3. before grant was paid out, did you have to get the work certified by an appropriate person with PI insurance to say its compliant with planing and building regulations?


if 2 and 3 are no, then the councils due diligence is severely lacking and id put the blame square on them for building regulation non compliance.

1. Yes but the builder was never on site, his men wouldn't follow spec which resulted in many arguments between o/t and builder. (One example...o/t specified 900mm doors for wheelchair use, builder put in 800mm frames and instead of admitting the error argued that a wheelchair will still fit through the door.

2. We and the o/t discussed my needs and builder did drawings.

3. NO.

The boarder

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

The boarder wrote: »

I dont think it would be my responsibilty as we are purchasing the house from.the builder. Its their responsibility to build.the house to current building regs. I was just asking what the current reg say about air vents in bedrooms.

That's fair.

I would look at it this way too.

It's a snag that you will have to pay money to rectify in the medium term.

You will have moisture issues in a bedroom of an A rated house if the vent is blocked by bring in a press

Thats what I was thinking.
Ill get back ontp the builder and ask them to move the vent as its not compliant being in the wardrobe that was fitted as standard for the development.

Gumbo

sydthebeat wrote: »

i sign off a lot of these kind of jobs and ive noticed that different councils can have vastly different systems of compliance.

1. did you have a specification from an occupational therapist for the builder to work to?
2. did you, or the builder, have to supply drawings for approval prior to commencement?
3. before grant was paid out, did you have to get the work certified by an appropriate person with PI insurance to say its compliant with planing and building regulations?


if 2 and 3 are no, then the councils due diligence is severely lacking and id put the blame square on them for building regulation non compliance.

Ginger83 wrote: »

1. Yes but the builder was never on site, his men wouldn't follow spec which resulted in many arguments between o/t and builder. (One example...o/t specified 900mm doors for wheelchair use, builder put in 800mm frames and instead of admitting the error argued that a wheelchair will still fit through the door.

2. We and the o/t discussed my needs and builder did drawings.

3. NO.

What County Council was this?

Ginger83

kceire wrote: »

What County Council was this?

Cavan

Gumbo

Ginger83 wrote: »

Cavan

Feck.
In Dublin, to do these works, you need a Declaration from an Architect, Engineer or Surveyor before the works start, and then they need to inspect and submit their inspection to the DCC before the grant is paid.

That's pretty shocking from Cavan and I would be screaming at them until they came out and fixed the issues.

Ginger83

kceire wrote: »

Feck.
In Dublin, to do these works, you need a Declaration from an Architect, Engineer or Surveyor before the works start, and then they need to inspect and submit their inspection to the DCC before the grant is paid.

That's pretty shocking from Cavan and I would be screaming at them until they came out and fixed the issues.

You couldn't make up what went on on this job, maybe the builder got one of his mates to sign that.

We've had a nightmare and to this day we can't get paperwork for vat as builder keeps claiming it was a cash job.

Gumbo

Ginger83 wrote: »

You couldn't make up what went on on this job, maybe the builder got one of his mates to sign that.

We've had a nightmare and to this day we can't get paperwork for vat as builder keeps claiming it was a cash job.

Can you report to Revenue?
For extensions in DCC, drawings are also required.

The Grant paperwork has to show a VAT payment.

sydthebeat

Ginger83 wrote: »

You couldn't make up what went on on this job, maybe the builder got one of his mates to sign that.

We've had a nightmare and to this day we can't get paperwork for vat as builder keeps claiming it was a cash job.

WTF ???

how was he paid the grant then?
i assume you were paid , and then your transferred the funds to the builder?

were you required to present two quotations to the council prior to approval of the grant?

Ginger83

sydthebeat wrote: »

WTF ???

how was he paid the grant then?
i assume you were paid , and then your transferred the funds to the builder?

were you required to present two quotations to the council prior to approval of the grant?

He was paid directly by council.

We got 4 quotes.

Ginger83

kceire wrote: »

Can you report to Revenue?
For extensions in DCC, drawings are also required.

The Grant paperwork has to show a VAT payment.

I'm trapped in a situation where i am terminally ill, the builder is local and i have a young family so i'm not able for any repercussions.

Gumbo

Ginger83 wrote: »

He was paid directly by council.

We got 4 quotes.

This is another WTF :eek:
In Dublin, the Applicant gets the payment and then he pays the builder.
Cavan seems to be arseways doing this.

Can any Local TD or Councillor help?

Ginger83 wrote: »

I'm trapped in a situation where i am terminally ill, the builder is local and i have a young family so i'm not able for any repercussions.

Sorry to hear this, you have my thoughts.

BryanF

The boarder wrote: »

I dont think it would be my responsibilty as we are purchasing the house from.the builder. Its their responsibility to build.the house to current building regs. I was just asking what the current reg say about air vents in bedrooms.

You should have representation An arch, eng or surveyor who has PI - they should check the house is compliant. You should also have all certs pertaining to building and planning regs from the builders arch/eng.