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Pretzeluck

There has to be some secret collaboration with dealers and government. Has this come out yet? Seems like the only reason they would put a year on the number plate.

Vicxas

Let me grab my Tinfoil hat.

Effects

Pretzeluck wrote: »

There has to be some secret collaboration with dealers and government. Has this come out yet? Seems like the only reason they would put a year on the number plate.

Well it's a know fact that 82% of TDs are members of SIMI (Society of the Irish Motor Industry).

Gregor Samsa

Humans aren't very good at remembering random strings of letters and numbers. One way to improve that is to break the string into meaningful chunks. The Irish system does that very well: year, county, sequential number. The year and county are easy to remember as there's a meaning behind them that we all understand and decode, and there's only a finite number of combinations. It's easier to remember 10 KY (that means a 2010 car from Kerry) than 82 XC (that means nothing). Since the purpose of the car registration system is to give each vehicle a displayable identification, that can be used by people to recognise the specific car, I think it's quite an elegant system. The motor industry were most likely consulted in the setup of it, and may well have welcomed it, but I think it's value is beyond any advantages to the industry.

When they moved from the 2 digit year code to the 3 digit one, that was definitely on the back of the motor industry complaining that most new car sales were concentrated into a very limited part of the year. The reasoning was that the extra xx2 reg from June on would let this be broken down across 2 parts of the year, which makes business more stable. That wasn't secret, it was a very public discussion prior to 2013.

Also remember that the UK uses "years" in it's registration system too, just more crypitally encoded. Not sure many if other countries do too.

Not having a pop at you, OP, but the main objections to the system (when this has been discussed many times before) seem to be from people who object to others knowing that their car is "past a certain age".

bazz26

Another one of these threads. That time of year I guess.

Guy:Incognito

Effects wrote: »

Well it's a know fact that 82% of TDs are members of SIMI (Society of the Irish Motor Industry).

Don't forget they are all landlords too.

And the papers are all Pro FF and also Pro FG.

Pretzeluck

phutyle wrote: »

Humans aren't very good at remembering random strings of letters and numbers. One way to improve that is to break the string into meaningful chunks. The Irish system does that very well: year, county, sequential number. The year and county are easy to remember as there's a meaning behind them that we all understand and decode, and there's only a finite number of combinations. It's easier to remember 10 KY (that means a 2010 car from Kerry) than 82 XC (that means nothing). Since the purpose of the car registration system is to give each vehicle a displayable identification, that can be used by people to recognise the specific car, I think it's quite an elegant system. The motor industry were most likely consulted in the setup of it, and may well have welcomed it, but I think it's value is beyond any advantages to the industry.

When they moved from the 2 digit year code to the 3 digit one, that was definitely on the back of the motor industry complaining that most new car sales were concentrated into a very limited part of the year. The reasoning was that the extra xx2 reg from June on would let this be broken down across 2 parts of the year, which makes business more stable. That wasn't secret, it was a very public discussion prior to 2013.

Also remember that the UK uses "years" in it's registration system too, just more crypitally encoded. Not sure many if other countries do too.

Not having a pop at you, OP, but the main objections to the system (when this has been discussed many times before) seem to be from people who object to others knowing that their car is "past a certain age".

If it's so good then why more countries adopt it?

Reati

Pretzeluck wrote: »

If it's so good then why more countries adopt it?

What a reply.

/thread...

Pretzeluck

Reati wrote: »

What a reply.

/thread...

Not an argument.

Reati

Pretzeluck wrote: »

Not an argument.

Nor is yours. It’s good to clarify you are here for an argument though. I’m sure someone will oblige.

Pretzeluck

Reati wrote: »

Nor is yours. It’s good to clarify you are here for an argument though. I’m sure someone will oblige.

Mine is

TrailerBob

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Del2005

Pretzeluck wrote: »

There has to be some secret collaboration with dealers and government. Has this come out yet? Seems like the only reason they would put a year on the number plate.

If it was they made a mess of it. In countries that don't have age on the plate 2nd hand is worth way more than here and they also buy more new.

For Forks Sake

Effects wrote: »

Well it's a know fact that 82% of TDs are members of SIMI (Society of the Irish Motor Industry).

89% of them are members of the Vintners federation and 108% are landlords.

For Forks Sake

TrailerBob wrote: »

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elperello

In my experience most people when trying to give the number of a vehicle will say "it was a 10 KY". They seldom seem to get the rest of the number.

So if someone reports a grey hatchback 10 KY that narrows the field for an identification.

Only a limited number of grey hatchbacks were registered in Kerry in 2010 so there is a good chance of identifying the vehicle.

If the sequence was changed to KY 1234 10 would it improve the chances of identification ?

I think it might because the number of grey hatchbacks carrying the partial number KY 1234 would be less than those carrying the partial number number 10 KY.

NIMAN

Pretzeluck wrote: »

There has to be some secret collaboration with dealers and government. Has this come out yet? Seems like the only reason they would put a year on the number plate.

People have always liked new cars - its not a new thing.

I seen it in the North for many years, and they don't have years on the plates up there.

Atlantic Dawn

I thought this thread was going to be about people buying new cars and putting "For Reg" on the plate until January when they would actually register it, those were the days.

How in the jaysus did they get away with it, that went on for years up around November/December.

CiniO

Del2005 wrote: »

If it was they made a mess of it. In countries that don't have age on the plate 2nd hand is worth way more than here and they also buy more new.

I don't think one has anything to do with the other. (not having year on a plate and second hand cars being worth more which effectively is lower depreciation )

The main reason why older cars depreciate really fast in Ireland and UK is because there no market for them to sell abroad to poorer countries.

ianobrien

CiniO wrote: »

The main reason why older cars depreciate really fast in Ireland and UK is because there no market for them to sell abroad to poorer countries.

I saw enough of Irish, UK and Jap imports in Tanzania. The ones Tanzania wouldn't take went to Burundi, like the 96 TS Carina with the rotten sills I saw two years ago.......

CiniO

ianobrien wrote: »

I saw enough of Irish, UK and Jap imports in Tanzania. The ones Tanzania wouldn't take went to Burundi, like the 96 TS Carina with the rotten sills I saw two years ago.......

Yes, I know some Irish and UK cars end up in Africa. But that's small minority.
Most end up scrapped here, even though they would still work for years if taken care off.

I personally exported 4 cars from Ireland to Poland already. But thats also minority. Most people don't do things like that.

Gregor Samsa

Pretzeluck wrote: »

If it's so good then why more countries adopt it?

Jaysus, the answer to that is obvious! All the counties are Irish. 181 CW wouldn't make any sense in Italy, because Carlow's not in Italy. They'd all be like "Ciò che è Ceatharlach?" instead of remembering their reg numbers. It just wouldn't work.

Car99

phutyle wrote: »

Humans aren't very good at remembering random strings of letters and numbers. One way to improve that is to break the string into meaningful chunks. The Irish system does that very well: year, county, sequential number. The year and county are easy to remember as there's a meaning behind them that we all understand and decode, and there's only a finite number of combinations. It's easier to remember 10 KY (that means a 2010 car from Kerry) than 82 XC (that means nothing). Since the purpose of the car registration system is to give each vehicle a displayable identification, that can be used by people to recognise the specific car, I think it's quite an elegant system. The motor industry were most likely consulted in the setup of it, and may well have welcomed it, but I think it's value is beyond any advantages to the industry.

When they moved from the 2 digit year code to the 3 digit one, that was definitely on the back of the motor industry complaining that most new car sales were concentrated into a very limited part of the year. The reasoning was that the extra xx2 reg from June on would let this be broken down across 2 parts of the year, which makes business more stable. That wasn't secret, it was a very public discussion prior to 2013.

Also remember that the UK uses "years" in it's registration system too, just more crypitally encoded. Not sure many if other countries do too.

Not having a pop at you, OP, but the main objections to the system (when this has been discussed many times before) seem to be from people who object to others knowing that their car is "past a certain age".

They should allow you to transfer plates though as long as it's older than the car it shouldn't be an issue.

CiniO

Car99 wrote: »

They should allow you to transfer plates though as long as it's older than the car it shouldn't be an issue.

Why should they allow you to do that?

Gregor Samsa

Car99 wrote: »

They should allow you to transfer plates though as long as it's older than the car it shouldn't be an issue.

I remember someone on here years ago actually complaining that it just wasn't "right" for a BMW to have anything other than a D reg. I guess being able to pretend that your car wasn't registered in Roscommon is of value to some people. Personally, I'm from Dublin, I live in Clare and drive a car with a KY reg. I don't feel it's an affront to my identity.

I have noticed, however, that cars in Clare with non-Clare regs tend to have more Clare GAA colours and stickers on them than CE reg cars. As if the owners are just making sure everyone knows where they hail from, in case they assume it's the county of their reg plate.

elperello

CiniO wrote: »

Why should they allow you to do that?

Maybe because some people want to and are prepared to pay to do it.
It would be easily arranged and administered.
People would be happy and State gets a bit of extra revenue.
Whats not to like?

CiniO

elperello wrote: »

Maybe because some people want to and are prepared to pay to do it.
It would be easily arranged and administered.
People would be happy and State gets a bit of extra revenue.
Whats not to like?

You convinced me.

I also think they should allow privatised plates.
Like 191-MO-JOHNY or 192-D-GAA or 120-CE-BMW or similar.
Government would make fortune on that.

Pretzeluck

You're all forgetting about prestige. I am not driving a car with an lm number plate and most people aren't either. If it's not 191-d-1234 the price drops significantly.
You would get much more for
191-d-1234 than for
191-lm-1234

NIMAN

Sammber wrote: »

wow so much trump derangement syndrome in this echo chamber
trump 2020 and there is nothing you fag gots can do about it
ahahahahahahahaha

You not got school in the morning?

Gregor Samsa

Pretzeluck wrote: »

You're all forgetting about prestige. I am not driving a car with an lm number plate and most people aren't either. If it's not 191-d-1234 the price drops significantly.
You would get much more for
191-d-1234 than for
191-lm-1234

Is this you?



Back before the current reg format, there was an auld fella from Cavan that lived down the road from me in Dublin. He used to buy a new car every 3 years, but insisted on buying it from a dealer in Redhills so he could get an "ID" (Cavan) reg. He later died from dementia.

CiniO

phutyle wrote: »

Is this you?


Back before the current reg format, there was an auld fella from Cavan that lived down the road from me in Dublin. He used to buy a new car every 3 years, but insisted on buying it from a dealer in Redhills so he could get an "ID" (Cavan) reg. He later died from dementia.

Are you insinuating that having a Cavan reg might be linked to risk of having dementia?

Del2005

NIMAN wrote: »

People have always liked new cars - its not a new thing.

I seen it in the North for many years, and they don't have years on the plates up there.

They do have years on NI regs, it's done by letter code though.

Gregor Samsa

CiniO wrote: »

Are you insinuating that having a Cavan reg might be linked to risk of having dementia?

Just pointing out that the guy I knew who fretted so much about the "prestige" of the county providence of his reg plate subsequently died from dementia.

CiniO

Del2005 wrote: »

They do have years on NI regs, it's done by letter code though.

It's not a year though.
It's just the fact that number as being issued in certain order so you can work out approx registration date.
However numbers from the same pool are issued to imports, so you could have 20 year old car with similar reg as brand new one .

Truckermal

What the **** is this thread about?

NIMAN

Del2005 wrote: »

They do have years on NI regs, it's done by letter code though.

Yeah they do, its just not as obvious. Most people wouldn't think "thats a 2017 car" when looking at a reg.

The Irish reg system beats the year of the car down your throat.

If you are up around the North and see TNZ9077 or VUI1256, you haven't a baldies what year the cars are, unless you know your NI regs.

Pretzeluck

Truckermal wrote: »

What the **** is this thread about?

Revenue maximisation scam

bazz26

Sales of tinfoil hats must be strong too.

poppers

NIMAN wrote: »

If you are up around the North and see TNZ9077 or VUI1256, you haven't a baldies what year the cars are, unless you know your NI regs.

Id say the people in the North who these cars regs are for know.

rainbowtrout

Pretzeluck wrote: »

You're all forgetting about prestige. I am not driving a car with an lm number plate and most people aren't either. If it's not 191-d-1234 the price drops significantly.
You would get much more for
191-d-1234 than for
191-lm-1234

I'm sure the guy driving 181-LM-5 around Carrick on Shannon doesn't care that his BMW M5 has a Leitrim reg. Considering the reg is styled as 181-L M5 would suggest that he got it on purpose. I'd bet 160k that he doesn't care that it doesn't have a D reg.

elperello

rainbowtrout wrote: »

I'm sure the guy driving 181-LM-5 around Carrick on Shannon doesn't care that his BMW M5 has a Leitrim reg. Considering the reg is styled as 181-L M5 would suggest that he got it on purpose. I'd bet 160k that he doesn't care that it doesn't have a D reg.

That sounds like the exception as it's pretty cool to have the model in your reg. Almost like a personalised plate.

There is however a certain dislike among second hand buyers for DL CN MN and LH. All border counties, does that mean anything?

In general people seem to like to have either their home county on the plate or Dublin.

Personally if I am buying second hand I go on the condition/spec of the car rather than the plate.

Pretzeluck

bazz26 wrote: »

Sales of tinfoil hats must be strong too.

You have it all figured out don't you

Pretzeluck

rainbowtrout wrote: »

I'm sure the guy driving 181-LM-5 around Carrick on Shannon doesn't care that his BMW M5 has a Leitrim reg. Considering the reg is styled as 181-L M5 would suggest that he got it on purpose. I'd bet 160k that he doesn't care that it doesn't have a D reg.

Can't argue with sale prices when it comes to selling time.

Kevin Finnerty

Hands up how many are in the trade here?

bazz26

Pretzeluck wrote: »

You have it all figured out don't you

Yes, try to keep up.

NIMAN

poppers wrote: »

Id say the people in the North who these cars regs are for know.

Owners will know, but a lot of the rest of the drivers won't.

Pretzeluck

bazz26 wrote: »

Yes, try to keep up.

You're the one who has to keep up. Facts and logic destroy nonsense every time

bazz26

Pretzeluck wrote: »

You're the one who has to keep up. Facts and logic destroy nonsense every time

Yet the irony is this thread exists.