The tractor - part deux

Aravo

In terms of an new 100hp 4wd tractor with a loader does anyone know what's the typical price range. And in terms of JD, NH, MF, Case & Claas where are these in order of cost.

simx

Aravo wrote: »

In terms of an new 100hp 4wd tractor with a loader does anyone know what's the typical price range. And in terms of JD, NH, MF, Case & Claas where are these in order of cost.

Brand new I’d hazard a guess around 100k

GrasstoMilk

simx wrote: »

Brand new I’d hazard a guess around 100k

Depends on spec but you'll get a 100hp claas with loader for c 70k. MF are about 85k. Case, my, JD would be similar

Aravo

simx wrote:

Brand new I’d hazard a guess around 100k

I would expect a new tractor c/w loader and a new car for 100k. Everyone knows the general price of a range of car between makes. Knowing tractor prices is like knowing the third secret of Fatima. A bit like the three card trick when the dealer turns over the card and no-one can see in to what's happening.

Aravo

GrasstoMilk wrote:

Depends on spec but you'll get a 100hp claas with loader for c 70k. MF are about 85k. Case, my, JD would be similar

Case, NH & JD similar to 85k?

MickeyShtyles

Have ya looked at other brands than those four.
Two boardsies have new Landini’s, despite Reggies slight blip, there seems to be no issues.

Reggie.

MickeyShtyles wrote: »

Have ya looked at other brands than those four.
Two boardsies have new Landini’s, despite Reggies slight blip, there seems to be no issues.

That blip wasn't the tractors fault either. Bloody idiot in the factory.

Landini could be got a lot cheaper than the main brands with the same spec and sometimes more. Could be 15k to 20k cheaper new.

discodaveirl

I was talking to an uncle of mine on Thursday when a neighbor of his passed with a new Kubota with front loader, said he only gave 40,000 for it. Some Value if its true..

Buford T. Justice XIX

Aravo wrote: »

In terms of an new 100hp 4wd tractor with a loader does anyone know what's the typical price range. And in terms of JD, NH, MF, Case & Claas where are these in order of cost.

You should be able to get a JD5100M with a H240 loader for about 70K depending on what extras you're looking for.

Timmaay

On hindsight a good 2nd hand jcb loadall for like 35k and 2nd hand loader tractor for similar money would be alot better value than spending 75k on a new loader tractor.

Panch18

Timmaay wrote: »

On hindsight a good 2nd hand jcb loadall for like 35k and 2nd hand loader tractor for similar money would be alot better value than spending 75k on a new loader tractor.

Did you buy a loader Timmy??

Timmaay

Panch18 wrote: »

Did you buy a loader Timmy??

Not yet, I wanna pickup 20 or so more incalf heifers and haven't managed to convince my dad to that idea yet ha, myown tractor still doing the job but in time defo.

Reggie.

Timmaay wrote: »

Not yet, I wanna pickup 20 or so more incalf heifers and haven't managed to convince my dad to that idea yet ha, myown tractor still doing the job but in time defo.

Is she going well timmaay

Timmaay

Reggie. wrote: »

Is she going well timmaay

Hmm not the worst but it will be the last power shuttle landini I'll ever get 2bh.

SuperTortoise

Reggie. wrote: »

That blip wasn't the tractors fault either. Bloody idiot in the factory.

Landini could be got a lot cheaper than the main brands with the same spec and sometimes more. Could be 15k to 20k cheaper new.

Do you mind me asking what was the fault in the end? I followed the thread at the time but forgot about it once it went off the front page.


New Landini's are still a good seller around here.

Reggie.

Timmaay wrote: »

Hmm not the worst but it will be the last power shuttle landini I'll ever get 2bh.

You seem to have no luck with them. I find the 5H a bloody gift and the powershuttle is brilliant on mine. What's giving the bother?

Reggie.

SuperTortoise wrote: »

Do you mind me asking what was the fault in the end? I followed the thread at the time but forgot about it once it went off the front page.


New Landini's are still a good seller around here.

Landinis are getting very popular around the midlands also

A lump of plastic that was in the fuel tank was starving the engine of diesel at times hence causing the engine to go into lump mode.

After a bit of investigating it was discovered it was a broken piece of the fuel cap. Someone in the factory overtightened the fuel cap and broke a piece off it and it fell into the tank. They just replaced the cap and never removed the piece from inside the fuel tank. So tbix piece was floating around the fuel tank causing trouble

Timmaay

Reggie. wrote: »

You seem to have no luck with them. I find the 5H a bloody gift and the powershuttle is brilliant on mine. What's giving the bother?

Shuttle is just slow. Nowhere near as slow as the powermondial we had (which took a full 2sec to move after disengaging the clutch, but the current vision still slow), in the field that's OK but in and out of the pit/feed passage all winter that's a nightmare. Every powershuttle is going to have a lag, however the likes of the NH and jcb it's defo quicker and alot nicer in my view. Other issue I have with likes of 5H from test driving new ones were silly things like having to have both the shuttle and gearstick in nutrual before it would start, my dad would find that near impossible and it wrecks my head ha. That's probably an issue with all new tractors however.

Reggie.

Timmaay wrote: »

Shuttle is just slow. Nowhere near as slow as the powermondial we had (which took a full 2sec to move after disengaging the clutch, but the current vision still slow), in the field that's OK but in and out of the pit/feed passage all winter that's a nightmare. Every powershuttle is going to have a lag, however the likes of the NH and jcb it's defo quicker and alot nicer in my view. Other issue I have with likes of 5H from test driving new ones were silly things like having to have both the shuttle and gearstick in nutrual before it would start, my dad would find that near impossible and it wrecks my head ha. That's probably an issue with all new tractors however.

Well the neutral is a safety thing and most of the new ones have that with the same gearbox.

Are you sure you can't adjust the clutch. You can on mine. I can have it as slow as yours or instant depending how I set it and the work it's doing. There might be a knob in the cab to adjust it.

Turbohymac

Simply ring a few main dealers.. new holland.john deer. Mf etc there like the new cars large variations in prices and a mind boggling list of gizmos that All dealers will try to flog.. a loader like a rossmore fl 80 or 100 should be around the 7k mark.. implements will be extra and depends on whether you want self leveling and soft ride as extra. The soft ride gives the front axle a better life. But you'd get by forever without self leveling
Happy shopping it's a big spend

Timmaay

Reggie. wrote: »

Well the neutral is a safety thing and most of the new ones have that with the same gearbox.

Are you sure you can't adjust the clutch. You can on mine. I can have it as slow as yours or instant depending how I set it and the work it's doing. There might be a knob in the cab to adjust it.

Not on the older ones. And yep agreed with the safety switches on all new tractors, it's another reason why 75k is a waste on one in my view. Then things like the bloody seat switch that turns off the pto, which the manufacturers then had to put in an override switch for say doing things like agitation. And obviously a contractor like yourself will have a different view, for me I mostly need a basic reliable loader that I'll put an hr or 2 on across the winter feeding, which I've now realized the loadall is the best machine for the job, outside of that any loader tractor will do for the small bit of field work I do.

visatorro

New 115hp case around 70k, no loader. Very expensive. I think Tim isn't too far wrong with the notion of second loadall and second tractor. Good quality second hand stuff hard got thou.

Dunedin

Aravo wrote: »

In terms of an new 100hp 4wd tractor with a loader does anyone know what's the typical price range. And in terms of JD, NH, MF, Case & Claas where are these in order of cost.

If it’s any help to you, I gave €60k for a new case 105u (105hp & included air conditioning, push out hitch and telescope mirrors which were all extras) 3 years ago. At that time, the similar massy was €10k more. McCormack and landini were €5k less.

The one thing that I will say is that shopping around three other dealers in the midlands, I got two other prices at €65 and €70k for the same tractor and spec and I was being offered €5k less on the trade in with the €70k guy. So shop around.

Aravo

Turbohymac wrote:

Simply ring a few main dealers.. new holland.john deer. Mf etc there like the new cars large variations in prices and a mind boggling list of gizmos that All dealers will try to flog.. a loader like a rossmore fl 80 or 100 should be around the 7k mark.. implements will be extra and depends on whether you want self leveling and soft ride as extra. The soft ride gives the front axle a better life. But you'd get by forever without self leveling Happy shopping it's a big spend

I bet the price over the phone will be dearer than someone calling in. It's a maze.

Aravo

What are peoples views on external lift control switchs versus the manual lever that does the same thing but takes longer. You could have either on a NH T5.105

Reggie.

Aravo wrote: »

I bet the price over the phone will be dearer than someone calling in. It's a maze.

I agree you have to go there in person

Reggie.

Aravo wrote: »

What are peoples views on external lift control switchs versus the manual lever that does the same thing but takes longer. You could have either on a NH T5.105

Switches all the way. Far better and more precise

Buford T. Justice XIX

Reggie. wrote: »

Switches all the way. Far better and more precise

+1


Switches all day long.

Dunedin

Dunedin wrote: »

If it’s any help to you, I gave €60k for a new case 105u (105hp & included air conditioning, push out hitch and telescope mirrors which were all extras) 3 years ago. At that time, the similar massy was €10k more. McCormack and landini were €5k less.

The one thing that I will say is that shopping around three other dealers in the midlands, I got two other prices at €65 and €70k for the same tractor and spec and I was being offered €5k less on the trade in with the €70k guy. So shop around.

That was with a case loader factory fitted.

A friend of mine bought a new JD this year - circa 105 or 110 hp. €74k with loader.

Aravo

SuperTortoise wrote:

New Landini's are still a good seller around here.

Heard they don't hold their value like the main ones.

Reggie.

Aravo wrote: »

Heard they don't hold their value like the main ones.

Ah don't believe everything ya hear

Grueller

Reggie. wrote: »

Ah don't believe everything ya hear

I would imagine that it all depends on what you are trading against. Try trading anything outside the big 3 against the big 3 the offer you get will be eyewateringly low.

Timmaay

Dunedin wrote: »

If it’s any help to you, I gave €60k for a new case 105u (105hp & included air conditioning, push out hitch and telescope mirrors which were all extras) 3 years ago. At that time, the similar massy was €10k more. McCormack and landini were €5k less.

The one thing that I will say is that shopping around three other dealers in the midlands, I got two other prices at €65 and €70k for the same tractor and spec and I was being offered €5k less on the trade in with the €70k guy. So shop around.

Tractors have all prb gone up at least 5k over the last 3yrs, with higher emissions and more safely features.

Aravo

Reggie. wrote:

Ah don't believe everything ya hear

As they say "Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see."

Reggie.

Grueller wrote: »

I would imagine that it all depends on what you are trading against. Try trading anything outside the big 3 against the big 3 the offer you get will be eyewateringly low.

Not really most have a "conquer percentage". It means if i was to change from the landini to a NH I would be allowed about 3% extra discount on a new NH as I'm changing brands.

This is in place for NH anyways and I'm sure the other big 3s are the same

Grueller

Reggie. wrote: »

Not really most have a "conquer percentage". It means if i was to change from the landini to a NH I would be allowed about 3% extra discount on a new NH as I'm changing brands.

This is in place for NH anyways and I'm sure the other big 3s are the same

Wow. Thats interesting. I assummed it would be like cars. I went into a vw garage one day driving the sisters peugeot. I wanted to look at a passat on the forecourt and the first thing the salesman did was point at the peugeot and say well for a start you aren't trading that in here anyway.

Reggie.

Grueller wrote: »

Wow. Thats interesting. I assummed it would be like cars. I went into a vw garage one day driving the sisters peugeot. I wanted to look at a passat on the forecourt and the first thing the salesman did was point at the peugeot and say well for a start you aren't trading that in here anyway.

Well if you think about it in a few years there will only be a few companies out there. Agco, Argo, NH, kubuta, john deere

Donald Trump

Aravo wrote: »

What are peoples views on external lift control switchs versus the manual lever that does the same thing but takes longer. You could have either on a NH T5.105

I thought those were removed from new tractors?


For "safety reasons"...........even though I would say it can be safer to have easy access to them when trying to be messing around putting on, or taking off, something.

Reggie.

Donald Trump wrote: »

I thought those were removed from new tractors?


For "safety reasons"...........even though I would say it can be safer to have easy access to them when trying to be messing around putting on, or taking off, something.

No both are still available on tractors

SuperTortoise

I have no switches for the lift on the back of my yoke just the manual geared type handle, but there is switches for the PTO, i don't know myself when i'm at slurry now, same idea with the push button switches for the pto, 4wd, diff lock etc in the cab, they are only small things but when you spend 20 years with hand clutches and desperately trying to slip the pto into a cog before the sun sets they are a gift.

Reggie.

SuperTortoise wrote: »

I have no switches for the lift on the back of my yoke just the manual geared type handle, but there is switches for the PTO, i don't know myself when i'm at slurry now, same idea with the push button switches for the pto, 4wd, diff lock etc in the cab, they are only small things but when you spend 20 years with hand clutches and desperately trying to slip the pto into a cog before the sun sets they are a gift.

SuperTortoise

Reggie. wrote: »

Landinis are getting very popular around the midlands also

A lump of plastic that was in the fuel tank was starving the engine of diesel at times hence causing the engine to go into lump mode.

After a bit of investigating it was discovered it was a broken piece of the fuel cap. Someone in the factory overtightened the fuel cap and broke a piece off it and it fell into the tank. They just replaced the cap and never removed the piece from inside the fuel tank. So tbix piece was floating around the fuel tank causing trouble

My tractor was losing power and stalling at random intervals last year, changed filters, fuel lines, lift pumps you name it, i dropped the fuel tank on her and had a good look inside expecting to find a load of muck in the bottom but to my surprise it was as clean as a whistle, thought to myself i have the tank off now i may as well rinse it out while i'm at it, fired in a cup of diesel sloshed it around and emptied it into a bucket, seen something that was'nt diesel drop so had a search around and low and behold a very thin film of plastic dropped out, about 4 inches square, clear, and very thin.
Wherever it came from and however it got into it i don't know but it set me back 3 weeks in springtime when the tractor should have been flat out.


I guess the plastic would lodge over the feed line in the tank at random and the act of the tractor stalling sloshed enough diesel around to dislodge it, i was delighted i found the problem but i was sickened i spent so much time and money trying to find it, it's always the simple things!


I suppose in your case it was a brand new tractor, and that would be the last thing you would expect, all ended well anyway.

Reggie.

SuperTortoise wrote: »

My tractor was losing power and stalling at random intervals last year, changed filters, fuel lines, lift pumps you name it, i dropped the fuel tank on her and had a good look inside expecting to find a load of muck in the bottom but to my surprise it was as clean as a whistle, thought to myself i have the tank off now i may as well rinse it out while i'm at it, fired in a cup of diesel sloshed it around and emptied it into a bucket, seen something that was'nt diesel drop so had a search around and low and behold a very thin film of plastic dropped out, about 4 inches square, clear, and very thin.
Wherever it came from and however it got into it i don't know but it set me back 3 weeks in springtime when the tractor should have been flat out.


I guess the plastic would lodge over the feed line in the tank at random and the act of the tractor stalling sloshed enough diesel around to dislodge it, i was delighted i found the problem but i was sickened i spent so much time and money trying to find it, it's always the simple things!


I suppose in your case it was a brand new tractor, and that would be the last thing you would expect, all ended well anyway.

That's it. Mad what was the cause in the end

funkey_monkey

Grueller wrote: »

I wanted to look at a passat on the forecourt and the first thing the salesman did was point at the peugeot and say well for a start you aren't trading that in here anyway.

I hope you told him to stick his passat up his hole.

Conflats

100k for a 100hp tractor and loader?

I don't know where some lads are buying tractors but I have got a quote for a t7.210 new Holland sidewinder screen in cab front links, autosteer GPS and 50k box for 90k back in July. To add the heavy duty quickie loader was 10k on top of this

I can't see how a 100hp tractor for a stockman is more than 50k all in brand new with loader from. Any of the main brands

Grueller

funkey_monkey wrote: »

I hope you told him to stick his passat up his hole.

Told him it was my sisters as I had sold mine and was a cash buyer. He said he'd go get the keys to which I replied don't bother Id be afriad your after sales service would match your customer service.

Timmaay

Conflats wrote: »

100k for a 100hp tractor and loader?

I don't know where some lads are buying tractors but I have got a quote for a t7.210 new Holland sidewinder screen in cab front links, autosteer GPS and 50k box for 90k back in July. To add the heavy duty quickie loader was 10k on top of this

I can't see how a 100hp tractor for a stockman is more than 50k all in brand new with loader from. Any of the main brands

+vat?

Aravo

Conflats wrote:

I can't see how a 100hp tractor for a stockman is more than 50k all in brand new with loader from. Any of the main brands

I cannot see any of the main brands offering 50k for 100hp with loader. If I had a dealer name, I would be heading there in the morning. Maybe 60-65k, not 50k. IMHO

vincenzolorenzo

Reggie. wrote: »

That blip wasn't the tractors fault either. Bloody idiot in the factory.

What did the issue turn out to be in the end?

The Rabbi

vincenzolorenzo wrote: »

What did the issue turn out to be in the end?

Reggie. wrote: »

Landinis are getting very popular around the midlands also

A lump of plastic that was in the fuel tank was starving the engine of diesel at times hence causing the engine to go into lump mode.

After a bit of investigating it was discovered it was a broken piece of the fuel cap. Someone in the factory overtightened the fuel cap and broke a piece off it and it fell into the tank. They just replaced the cap and never removed the piece from inside the fuel tank. So tbix piece was floating around the fuel tank causing trouble

There you are.

Aravo

2 page spread on the farming Indo today. Problem solved so I thought, until the prices listed were as vague as the brexit deal.