Going back to petrol

tubos

Im tired of locals charging their cars at fast chargers, especially the new leaf as it takes ages to charge. My monthly drive to Dublin is taking more time every time. Its ridiculous. Up until recently i could never see myself changing from ev to petrol or diesel but its gotten too bad.

I have a question, what do I do with the home charger i had installed? can somenody else take it and install it or does the ESB own it?

I will probably go back to ev once fees are brought in for using fast chargers and once I can afford a longer range car so will probably keep the charger anyway!

Anybody else seeing a jump in waiting times at fast chargers?

Sabre Man

Which chargers did you use?

unkel

tubos wrote: »

Im tired of locals charging their cars at fast chargers, especially the new leaf as it takes ages to charge.

Yes some imbecile owners leave their Leafs charging for hours on end on fast chargers, meaning no one else can charge :mad:

What EV do you have? And what trip to Dublin do you do? It is quite likely charging for charging will come in within a year. And it is also quite likely the first Ionity fast chargers will open within months. Could you wait it out?

ELM327

If you have to rely on FCP for daily driving then you have bought the wrong car.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

If you have to rely on FCP for daily driving then you have bought the wrong car.

In fairness he is only giving out about his monthly drive to Dublin. And we don't know when he bought his EV

Right now, I would not recommend buying an EV to anyone who would ever need to drive beyond the range of the car and / or has no home or work charging

But a few years ago the charging network was still fine with very few EVs around to use it

Sleeper12

I wonder can the council impose a maximum stay at fast chargers? Maybe 2 or 3 hour maximum with a 80 to 100 fine if you overstay

KCross

tubos wrote: »

Im tired of locals charging their cars at fast chargers, especially the new leaf as it takes ages to charge. My monthly drive to Dublin is taking more time every time. Its ridiculous. Up until recently i could never see myself changing from ev to petrol or diesel but its gotten too bad.

And its worse its going to get as more and more L40's hit the road. The network is just not fit for purpose.

What car do you have?
Would the Leaf 40kWh or Zoe 40kWh or Ioniq etc do the job without the need for a rapid charge?

tubos wrote: »

I have a question, what do I do with the home charger i had installed? can somenody else take it and install it or does the ESB own it?

Its yours. Why would you get rid of it. Leave it there for when you go EV again.

tubos wrote: »

I will probably go back to ev once fees are brought in for using fast chargers...

It's looking likely that fees will come in 2019 so you wont have long to wait.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

In fairness he is only giving out about his monthly drive to Dublin. And we don't know when he bought his EV

Right now, I would not recommend buying an EV to anyone who would ever need to drive beyond the range of the car and / or has no home or work charging

But a few years ago the charging network was still fine with very few EVs around to use it

Well then that's just silly, a drive that you make 12 times a year should not dictate your car choice for the other 354 days.

unkel

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I wonder can the council impose a maximum stay at fast chargers? Maybe 2 or 3 hour maximum with a 80 to 100 fine if you overstay

2 or 3 hours? :eek:

You should use a fast charger only for a few minutes really, so you can reach your destination. 10 / 20 / 30 minutes max on most occasions...

And yes, charging for charging is coming. Hopefully with both a high per kWh charge and a very high per minute charge too.

Sleeper12

unkel wrote:

You should use a fast charger only for a few minutes really, so you can reach your destination. 10 / 20 / 30 minutes max on most occasions...

I'm not an EV user yet so did not know that.

Maybe a 60 minute max stay then?

unkel

Nah, just a punitive charging regime will do it. No one is going to leave their car plugged in for 3 hours if it is costing 30c per minute

tubos

I do 1 trip from athlone to dublin each month, sometimes 2. I leave on a full charge and try to use kilbeggan first. if its busy ill move on to applegreen on m4. sometimes i do 10 minutes at kilbeggan and then a other 10 at enfield. from enfield to the m50 is mostly downhill so can get away with a low charge. Sometimes i might use ratoath as well and the windsor charger in swords which is a reliable one!

One of my kids needs to go to dublin more regularly these days.

I've been 100% pro ev for a long time recently theres just been a few frustrating experiences!!

If I could afford the new leaf i would get it.

Sleeper12

tubos wrote:

I do 1 trip from athlone to dublin each month, sometimes 2. I leave on a full charge and try to use kilbeggan first. if its busy ill move on to applegreen on m4. sometimes i do 10 minutes at kilbeggan and then a other 10 at enfield. from enfield to the m50 is mostly downhill so can get away with a low charge. Sometimes i might use ratoath as well and the windsor charger in swords which is a reliable one!

Oh that sounds painful. It's one of the reasons that I haven't changed over yet. I need a van that can do 200k on a single charge

peposhi

tubos wrote: »

I do 1 trip from athlone to dublin each month, sometimes 2. I leave on a full charge and try to use kilbeggan first. if its busy ill move on to applegreen on m4. sometimes i do 10 minutes at kilbeggan and then a other 10 at enfield. from enfield to the m50 is mostly downhill so can get away with a low charge. Sometimes i might use ratoath as well and the windsor charger in swords which is a reliable one!

One of my kids needs to go to dublin more regularly these days.

I've been 100% pro ev for a long time recently theres just been a few frustrating experiences!!

If I could afford the new leaf i would get it.

It is a pity you could not stretch to get the L40. From what you are saying, I guessed you have the L24 which is really a run around car unless you have tons of spare time.
Still, if the car does all of the tests of your journeys, I’d hold for another bit. Surely charging for charging will be introduced at the beginning of 2019. That would cut a lot of sugar happening currently at FCPs and SCPs...

zilog_jones

tubos wrote: »

I do 1 trip from athlone to dublin each month, sometimes 2. I leave on a full charge and try to use kilbeggan first. if its busy ill move on to applegreen on m4. sometimes i do 10 minutes at kilbeggan and then a other 10 at enfield. from enfield to the m50 is mostly downhill so can get away with a low charge. Sometimes i might use ratoath as well and the windsor charger in swords which is a reliable one!

One of my kids needs to go to dublin more regularly these days.

I've been 100% pro ev for a long time recently theres just been a few frustrating experiences!!

If I could afford the new leaf i would get it.

I think you should seriously consider the cost of renting a car for those few days a year vs. changing car completely and the associated increased fuel costs with going back to petrol.

unkel

I'd wait it out and hope charging for charging will come in soon. If you really can't wait, how about a classic car that does not depreciate and only costs €56 to tax and €150 to insure for the year?

DrPhilG

I wouldn't go so far as ditching EV, even though I have taken a wee step backwards with a REx.

If you're just holding off for public charging to come in then don't be hasty. Public charging is due to arrive fairly soon.

tubos

It's the L24 I have and have had it for over 3 years now. It's been the main family car and has done the job so far. I love the car and I'd love to get the latest Leaf and will do so as soon as I can afford it.

Sometimes though, when I'm driving up the M6 or M4 at an economical pace, I would love to be in one of those cards flying past me!!!

unkel

Hang in there man. Once charging for charging comes in, things will improve. Although it remains to be seen what is going to happen to the public charging network. You don't have a way of getting destination charging in Dublin?

creedp

tubos wrote: »

It's the L24 I have and have had it for over 3 years now. It's been the main family car and has done the job so far. I love the car and I'd love to get the latest Leaf and will do so as soon as I can afford it.

Sometimes though, when I'm driving up the M6 or M4 at an economical pace, I would love to be in one of those cards flying past me!!!

Even worse this time of year when you consider they are nice and toasty with their heaters going full blast!! Joys of early tech evs!

creedp

tubos wrote: »

It's the L24 I have and have had it for over 3 years now. It's been the main family car and has done the job so far. I love the car and I'd love to get the latest Leaf and will do so as soon as I can afford it.

Sometimes though, when I'm driving up the M6 or M4 at an economical pace, I would love to be in one of those cards flying past me!!!

Even worse this time of year when you consider they are nice and toasty with their heaters going full blast!! Joys of early tech evs!

Mike9832

ELM327 wrote: »

If you have to rely on FCP for daily driving then you have bought the wrong car.

Says the man that doesnt even have a home charger

BENDYBINN

Would it be possible to set up a small generator in the boot to charge the battery while driving?

Mike9832

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Would it be possible to set up a small generator in the boot to charge the battery while driving?

Or just buy a Phev

Like a 1 year old Kia Optima in the UK for 20k

6 year warranty

13kWh Battery (50km range)

2lt 140bhp petrol engine

PHEV have a place

OP would be better serviced by one till long range EV’s are affordable

Orebro

Mike9832 wrote: »

Says the man that doesnt even have a home charger

Says the man that doesn't own an EV.

Mike9832

Orebro wrote: »

Says the man that doesn't own an EV.

And?

ELM327

Mike9832 wrote: »

Says the man that doesnt even have a home charger

I have a home charger installed for months? I think you're confusing me with someone else Thierry, friends EV, et al.


Get your facts straight before resorting to personal attacks, or better yet don't

BENDYBINN

A genuine question.......It it possible to charge an ev using a generator and how long would it take?

PixelTrawler

A phev seems to be the answer for your needs.

unkel

BENDYBINN wrote: »

A genuine question.......It it possible to charge an ev using a generator and how long would it take?

Yes it is possible, provided your generator is an inverter that provides a good quality output / pure sinewave AC

The speed depends on the maximum continuous power of your genny. Most EVs need at least 6A, so any genny under 1.5kW continuous can not power the car at all. But say if you had a 3kW genny and your car is a 28kWh Ioniq, then you can charge it up from completely empty to completely full in just under 10 hours

But charging your EV from an internal combustion engine running on fossil fuel is completely missing the point, isn't it? Although even some regular and knowledgeable posters on this forum beg to differ

BENDYBINN

BENDYBINN wrote: »

A genuine question.......It it possible to charge an ev using a generator and how long would it take?

If you have a generator capable of over 7 kW constant and you have a 6.6 kW LEAF it would take approx. 3-3.5 hours from totally flat. At the 2 kW charge rate using granny charger it would take about 11 hours. I suspect that it would cost about 10-15 EUR for the petrol for a full charge.

The car has to be parked for it to charge and you'd need to connect the generator via a suitable EVSE like an OpenEVSE.

DrPhilG

unkel wrote: »

But charging your EV from an internal combustion engine running on fossil fuel is completely missing the point, isn't it?

Hey!

#itsnotaPHEV

ELM327

DrPhilG wrote: »

Hey!

#itsnotaPHEV

Says the phev owner :pac:

Mike9832

ELM327 wrote: »

I have a home charger installed for months? I think you're confusing me with someone else Thierry, friends EV, et al.


Get your facts straight before resorting to personal attacks, or better yet don't

Good man

You went years without one

ELM327

Mike9832 wrote: »

Good man

You went years without one

Granny cable worked fine !
Better than €70 a week in petrol mate

Mike9832

ELM327 wrote: »

Granny cable worked fine !
Better than €70 a week in petrol mate

True

Fionn

I was up to get an EV this year but was put off by the stories of waiting around possibly for hours at charging stations for a free space. Charging for charging may not necessarily solve the problem as more takeup of EVs occur the network will become be more congested.
Sadly I eventually opted for a Kona (petrol) if the EV version is the same as the one I have I really couldn't justify or afford spending the extra money for it

unkel

DrPhilG wrote: »

Hey!

#itsnotaPHEV

I'll get an admin to change your username to DrPhev :pac:

ED E

Im sure this has been covered elsewhere already but thread got me thinking, in case of a Puerto Rico style outage and you needed to get around, how could you function off grid.

180 18650s can give you 2.2Kw, not enough to fill a leaf so probably wanna go bigger but a small wind turbine/PV setup you could batch fill the EV if you were stuck, or use a low output genny to charge the pack then use it to dump to the car. If you were a prepper or w/e.

ELM327

ED E wrote: »

Im sure this has been covered elsewhere already but thread got me thinking, in case of a Puerto Rico style outage and you needed to get around, how could you function off grid.

180 18650s can give you 2.2Kw, not enough to fill a leaf so probably wanna go bigger but a small wind turbine/PV setup you could batch fill the EV if you were stuck, or use a low output genny to charge the pack then use it to dump to the car. If you were a prepper or w/e.

Same as you'd function in a petrol car (no electricity means the pump wont work either)
Except in an EV you can plug in at any of the millions of 3pin sockets in the country that have power.

BENDYBINN

unkel wrote: »

Yes it is possible, provided your generator is an inverter that provides a good quality output / pure sinewave AC

The speed depends on the maximum continuous power of your genny. Most EVs need at least 6A, so any genny under 1.5kW continuous can not power the car at all. But say if you had a 3kW genny and your car is a 28kWh Ioniq, then you can charge it up from completely empty to completely full in just under 10 hours

But charging your EV from an internal combustion engine running on fossil fuel is completely missing the point, isn't it? Although even some regular and knowledgeable posters on this forum beg to differ

Of course, but the biggest fear of ev owners is getting caught on empty and nowhere to charge,surely this would be a great emergency option. It would take the nightmare scenario out of long distance driving

ED E

ELM327 wrote: »

Same as you'd function in a petrol car (no electricity means the pump wont work either)
Except in an EV you can plug in at any of the millions of 3pin sockets in the country that have power.

I don't think you quite grasp the scenario I was suggesting but the comparison would be made with jerry cans not traditional pumps.

ELM327

ED E wrote: »

I don't think you quite grasp the scenario I was suggesting but the comparison would be made with jerry cans not traditional pumps.

I grasp it fine, but in a petrol car you need fuel to get to the source of fuel, such as jerry can or pump.
Same for an EV. You can run a generator to charge an EV but it will take longer (~10 hours on a standard 2kW plug).

Markcheese

I've always thought it should possible to do a sort of removable range extender.. (basically a suitcase genny),
So if you need extra range every now and then you stick in the genny, (or go to the local garage or tool hire), slot it into place, (hopefully in a predesigned slot in boot or under the bonnet) plug it in connect the exhaust and drive off charging as you go,
I realise that 3 or so kW of power, isn't going to give anything like unlimited range,
But it could be a removable version of BMWs rex, and mean small battery vehicles could "step up" if needed...

denismc

Op, this might sound like blasphemy to some people in here, but is public transport an option for those longer trips?

If your kids are old enough could you stick them on a train for those journeys?

Orebro

Mike9832 wrote: »

Good man

You went years without one

For someone who only registered last month you seem to know a hell of a lot about people on here. Why not just go back to the first account Thierry? Not exactly a master of disguise you are.

unkel

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Of course, but the biggest fear of ev owners is getting caught on empty and nowhere to charge,surely this would be a great emergency option. It would take the nightmare scenario out of long distance driving

Indeed. You could pick up a second hand 2kW genny inverter on adverts for €100 or thereabouts and bring a 5l jerrycan of petrol with you

And once the (mostly fairly irrational) range anxiety subsides after owning your EV for a few months or even a few years, you can sell the genny on for nearly as much as you paid for it. I'll admit I have toyed with this idea myself

BENDYBINN

What do you guys do while the car is been charged?Go for a big feed?

unkel

Sleep in my bed

BENDYBINN

unkel wrote: »

Sleep in my bed

Avoiding the question.........

Mike9832

BENDYBINN wrote: »

What do you guys do while the car is been charged?Go for a big feed?

Spend the money saved on diesel/petrol on better things

Nice steak dinner while car is charged for free