Are the Irish Europeans?

DEFTLEFTHAND

Are we ?

I don't like mainlanders, they piss me off. Silly accents and so much bull that we don't culturally relate to.


I like Britain, we're neighbours and share many customs.
I don't want them to leave. Brussels are already gearing up with this tax harmonisiation talk.


Who's going to look out for Paddy in years to come?

OldMrBrennan83

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Are we ?

I don't like mainlanders, they piss me off. Silly accents and so much bull that we don' culturally relate to.


I like Britain, we're neighbours and share many customs.
I don't want them to leave. Brussels are already gearing up with this tax harmonisiation talk.


Who's going to look out for Paddy in years to come?

* > any association with Britain.

dan1895

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Are we ?

I don't like mainlanders, they piss me off. Silly accents and so much bull that we don't culturally relate to.


I like Britain, we're neighbours and share many customs.
I don't want them to leave. Brussels are already gearing up with this tax harmonisiation talk.


Who's going to look out for Paddy in years to come?

Not the Brits anyway

DEFTLEFTHAND

dan1895 wrote: »

Not the Brits anyway

Who else do have? The krauts, the frogs?

We're heading into a very uncertain time.


We've nobody to back us against these Euro assholes anymore.


We're going to become a backwater once Britain leave.

EdgeCase

Which mainlanders? There's a huge variation across mainland Europe.
Also not everyone's in favour of tax harmonisation nor does everyone think like the French government.

The Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium and quite a few others already stand with Ireland on many issues. The UK occasionally did and also occasionally threw us under a bus, especially on agriculture.

Also do we have that much in common with the UK?
We speak the same langauge and we have some cultural similarities until you get into something like attitudes to class, monarchy, imperial history and they've often got very stereotyping views of Catholics and so on.

I find England is totally ok until some asshat starts to basically either mock your accent or expect you to justify Ireland's existence both politically and culturally. It can be both a familiar and totally unfamiliar and even hostile place at times.

We've a lot in common with aspects of France, especially the two fingers to the establishment sense ... You'd be surprised at how much in common we have with aspects of neighbouring countries generally.

I was up in Norway recently and once you get past the speaking Norwegian bit, down the country places feel very very familiar. Same with Denmark, same in Belgium

Even Iceland has a feel of Donegal with volcanoes. It even had the boy and girl racer issues in some of the small towns.

wexie

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

We've nobody to back us against these Euro assholes anymore.

We're going to become a backwater once Britain leave.

You don't perhaps see a link between the possibility of that happening and attitudes like yours no?

Nah, I didn't think you would

johndaman66

I don't think the OP was necessarily asking the question with political and fiscal points of view in mind. Across a large continent not everyone is going to be in favour of tax harmonisation or think like a particular government - you sit on one side of the fence or the other, or else just don't have an opinion. Just because you share the same opinion with someone else on that aspect or both are anti establishment is hardly enough on its own anyway to make you similar.


From a cultural point of view we are a lot more similar to the Brits than many would like to admit. So many wear the same clothes, watch the same TV, follow the same English football clubs, shop in the same UK chain stores etc. A lot of English people would be anti-establishment too, especially if you move up towards the North of England where Thatcher put an end to the coal mining industry back in her day. A lot of these people would also view the monarchy as unnecessary, outdated and don't associate with it. Also, people within this country mock each others accents.... you often hear people mention somebody has a right bogger of an accent, pretentious D4 accent etc.


Back to the original question I don't particularly consider myself European. Granted it is a large continent with a diverse range of political opinions and cultures etc. Overall from a cultural point of view I'd consider mainland Europeans so different to myself that I just cannot call myself European.

Mookie Blaylock

"we have the power....
Let's make Britain Great again"!!!!

Odhinn

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Who else do have? The krauts, the frogs?

We're heading into a very uncertain time.


We've nobody to back us against these Euro assholes anymore.


We're going to become a backwater once Britain leave.

those "euro assholes" have done greatgood for this country. The brits couldn't give a shit about this country. Hopefully this thread is a pisstake.

Mrs OBumble

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Who else do have? The krauts, the frogs?

We're heading into a very uncertain time.


We've nobody to back us against these Euro assholes anymore.


We're going to become a backwater once Britain leave.

Eh? The largest English speaking country in Europe. The natural interface between the USA and Europe. A backwater. Yeah, right.

professore

EdgeCase wrote: »

Which mainlanders? There's a huge variation across mainland Europe.
Also not everyone's in favour of tax harmonisation nor does everyone think like the French government.

The Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium and quite a few others already stand with Ireland on many issues. The UK occasionally did and also occasionally threw us under a bus, especially on agriculture.

Also do we have that much in common with the UK?
We speak the same langauge and we have some cultural similarities until you get into something like attitudes to class, monarchy, imperial history and they've often got very stereotyping views of Catholics and so on.

I find England is totally ok until some asshat starts to basically either mock your accent or expect you to justify Ireland's existence both politically and culturally. It can be both a familiar and totally unfamiliar and even hostile place at times.

We've a lot in common with aspects of France, especially the two fingers to the establishment sense ... You'd be surprised at how much in common we have with aspects of neighbouring countries generally.

I was up in Norway recently and once you get past the speaking Norwegian bit, down the country places feel very very familiar. Same with Denmark, same in Belgium

Even Iceland has a feel of Donegal with volcanoes. It even had the boy and girl racer issues in some of the small towns.

Had a great conversation with a guy who grew up in rural Norway a few years back. His youth and mine were very similar.

professore

EdgeCase wrote: »

Which mainlanders? There's a huge variation across mainland Europe.
Also not everyone's in favour of tax harmonisation nor does everyone think like the French government.

The Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium and quite a few others already stand with Ireland on many issues. The UK occasionally did and also occasionally threw us under a bus, especially on agriculture.

Also do we have that much in common with the UK?
We speak the same langauge and we have some cultural similarities until you get into something like attitudes to class, monarchy, imperial history and they've often got very stereotyping views of Catholics and so on.

I find England is totally ok until some asshat starts to basically either mock your accent or expect you to justify Ireland's existence both politically and culturally. It can be both a familiar and totally unfamiliar and even hostile place at times.

We've a lot in common with aspects of France, especially the two fingers to the establishment sense ... You'd be surprised at how much in common we have with aspects of neighbouring countries generally.

I was up in Norway recently and once you get past the speaking Norwegian bit, down the country places feel very very familiar. Same with Denmark, same in Belgium

Even Iceland has a feel of Donegal with volcanoes. It even had the boy and girl racer issues in some of the small towns.

Had a great conversation with a guy who grew up in rural Norway a few years back. His youth and mine were very similar.

Water John

Note OP's location.

johndaman66

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

"we have the power....
Let's make Britain Great again"!!!!

Quite a few Irish are already doing their bit in that respect.

The_Kew_Tour

We are.

Next....

professore

Odhinn wrote: »

those "euro assholes" have done greatgood for this country. The brits couldn't give a shit about this country. Hopefully this thread is a pisstake.

Apart from forcing us to bail out Anglo instead of letting the French and German banking system take the hit.

EdgeCase

EdgeCase wrote: »

We've a lot in common with aspects of France, especially the two fingers to the establishment sense ... You'd be surprised at how much in common we have with aspects of neighbouring countries generally.

I don't know where you got the impression that the Irish give two fingers to the establishment!! Irish people don't even like to complain in restaurants.
It's actually amazing to me how different we all our to each other, you would expect most westernised countries to be very similar, we are not though, culturally & socially, most European countries are very different.

RobertKK

I view myself as Irish and European. One is not exclusive of the other.

Our allies through the centuries have come from the continent, not our neighbours.

willowthewisp

Are the Europeans Irish?

RobertKK

willowthewisp wrote: »

Are the Europeans Irish?

I see where you went with that. I was posting exclusively about Irish people but on St Patrick's day a lot are :pac:

mammajamma

We're a colony for international mega corporations, and everything "we" do is geared toward that agenda going forward. Ireland has become a free-for-all.

The more European we become, the less irish we are. The more globalist we become, the less European we are, and so forth. Until you end at a state where the irish people are just simply "there", a bunch of non-descript, non-identifiable, non-unified people that can be easily disposed when push comes to shove.

The opposite of what a country means, basically.

nlrkjos

Europe is just a big island off our east coast and the sooner they realise it the better !!!!!!

mammajamma

mammajamma wrote: »

We're a colony for international mega corporations, and everything "we" do is geared toward that agenda going forward. Ireland has become a free-for-all.

The more European we become, the less irish we are.

The more European we become, the less English we are. The sooner the Irish become culturally more European, the sooner they will get out from under their stunningly myopically anglocentric intellectual subservience to all things English. Not much point in a parliament in Dublin or in Brussels while the mentality of the people can't see a world beyond the one the English imposed upon us in the darkness of 19th century Ireland. Irish heart, English mind? Judging by some of the views here against Irish and Irish culture generally, they haven't even an Irish heart anymore. A mere Oirish verbal identity over an anglocentric cultural worldview sums up far too many "Irish" today.

I'd start with the profoundly anglocentric Dublin media , move on to all the housebuilders who impose these ridiculous English names on Irish housing estates (with the permission of the local authority) with zero cultural connection to that name and continue on to all the fee-charging schools in south Dublin which positively bristle in their hostility to Irish games to the extent that every one of them only play rugby, cricket and hockey - and this while the vast majority of their funding is given by the Irish taxpayer.

If all that is being sold as "Irish" in 2018, this country cannot become intellectually and culturally European soon enough.

tonycascarino

I view myself as just Irish. We are an island between America and Great Britain and have nothing in common with mainland Europe IMO.

suicide_circus

we've more in common with americans in many respects than with continental europeans

mammajamma

Deleted User wrote: »

The more European we become, the less English we are. The sooner the Irish become culturally more European, the sooner they will get out from under their stunningly myopically anglocentric intellectual subservience to all things English. Not much point in a parliament in Dublin or in Brussels while the mentality of the people can't see a world beyond the one the English imposed upon us in the darkness of 19th century Ireland. Irish heart, English mind? Judging by some of the views here against Irish and Irish culture generally, they haven't even an Irish heart anymore. A mere Oirish verbal identity over an anglocentric cultural worldview sums up far too many "Irish" today.

I'd start with the profoundly anglocentric Dublin media , move on to all the housebuilders who impose these ridiculous English names on Irish housing estates (with the permission of the local authority) with zero cultural connection to that name and continue on to all the fee-charging schools in south Dublin which positively bristle in their hostility to Irish games to the extent that every one of them only play rugby, cricket and hockey - and this while the vast majority of their funding is given by the Irish taxpayer.

If all that is being sold as "Irish" in 2018, this country cannot become intellectually and culturally European soon enough.

Swapping one fake identity for another fake identity is no good. How about just simply being our own people?

lawred2

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Are we ?

I don't like mainlanders, they piss me off. Silly accents and so much bull that we don't culturally relate to.


I like Britain, we're neighbours and share many customs.
I don't want them to leave. Brussels are already gearing up with this tax harmonisiation talk.


Who's going to look out for Paddy in years to come?

Ourselves maybe?

The Rape of Lucretia

Of course they are. The British Isles are European, making the resident of those islands European. The Irish are more closely British first, but as British, history, culture, language, travel, business, religion, and attitudes to all facets of life link them deeply, with fundamentally only subtle and slight regional variations and characteristics, to 5000 years of shared history and way of life. From the British branch of it - but utterly European

The Rape of Lucretia

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

...The British Isles...

hahaha. You're relentless.

suicide_circus

The British Isles is the name of the archipelago which includes the island of Ireland

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

The British Isles is the name of the archipelago which includes the island of Ireland

You must be bored this afternoon, suicide_circus.

suicide_circus

Deleted User wrote: »

You must be bored this afternoon, suicide_circus.

s7ryf3925pivug

They'll be back soon enough.

biko

When Brexit happens it's going to get awful confusing for the westbrits.

The Rape of Lucretia

biko wrote: »

When Brexit happens it's going to get awful confusing for the westbrits.

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The Rape of Lucretia

biko wrote: »

When Brexit happens it's going to get awful confusing for the westbrits.

Breunion will become ever more clearly the route forward for the republic if this Brexit deal filtering does come about. It would be a big win for the UK and quite a face down of tge EU. The really would have pulled of the previously unthinkable and reached a have their cake and eat it deal - effective trading and custom rights as if an EU member, but also in full control to do its own deals elsewhere. Ireland would be foolish to miss out on what is likely to give a serious economic boost to the UK that will give it an edge over EU ones for decades to come.

While still being Europeans.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/if-there-is-a-brexit-deal-this-is-what-it-will-look-like-1.3684223?mode=amp