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Star Trek: Lower Decks (animated series)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭santana75


    Ok I'll be honest I knew nothing about this, but I just watched the trailer and it looks pretty awesome. Where can I see this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    santana75 wrote: »
    Ok I'll be honest I knew nothing about this, but I just watched the trailer and it looks pretty awesome. Where can I see this?

    It would be unethical to download using bit torrent. You also risk getting malware and viruses.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    It would be unethical to download using bit torrent. You also risk getting malware and viruses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,278 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Such a brilliant last episode of the 1st season. Roll any many more seasons. I loved all the references to other series in this episode and season. Here is to many more seasons of Lower Decks the best Star Trek in years

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,278 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    It would be unethical to download using bit torrent. You also risk getting malware and viruses.

    No need to do that. Just get it at the usual places there is a couple. I have never had a problem using them.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,013 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    Hang in there, Baby Bear!

    😭


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭santana75


    Watched 3 episodes today alone......love it. Its hilarious but still respectful which is a very hard balance to pull off. And its 100% trek. Honestly I prefer this to Picard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,348 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Stark wrote: »
    Ah that was fantastic.
    Was just watching Archer's Enterprise on the Holodeck. Lol
    Boimler got his promotion, good for him. Will be cool to see more of the Titan next season. Was sort of hoping Mariner would get a promotion to chief of security at the end.

    I think that
    Season 2 will open with him back on the Cerritos having done something stupid on the Titan. No way they'll have Frakes and Sirtis doing the show on a regular basis

    One other thing I noticed... why were the crew uniforms different between the ships? Still prefer the classic late DS9 uniforms myself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,008 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    I think that
    Season 2 will open with him back on the Cerritos having done something stupid on the Titan. No way they'll have Frakes and Sirtis doing the show on a regular basis

    One other thing I noticed... why were the crew uniforms different between the ships? Still prefer the classic late DS9 uniforms myself.

    Never know,
    he has already signed on for season two

    https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/star-trek-lower-decks-season-2-cast-jonathan-frakes-riker/

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,668 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Wondering if one of my earlier theories about Bajor is true:
    Shax's funeral (Following his epic demise) featured the Federation flag on his coffin, suggesting that Bajor is now a member world. It would also feed into my theory that Shax was in The Resistance and then Bajoran Militia until being moved over to Starfleet. I think non-Federation fleet officers usually get the Starfleet flag on their coffin, which was shown once in Voyager when they had a funeral for an Earth astronaut they found.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,668 ✭✭✭Rawr


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    One other thing I noticed... why were the crew uniforms different between the ships? Still prefer the classic late DS9 uniforms myself.

    I wonder if they are going back to function-based uniforms that we saw as various points in Trek history.

    DS9 for example had the mostly black uniform that became the Generations / Voyager uniform when the new comm badge came in. However, that uniform existed in parallel with the regular TNG uniform for at least 2 years before becoming a standard.

    I get the feeling that the regular TNG uniform represented the "Inner Fleet", while the DS9 uniform represented outposts and other "Outer Fleet" operations. "Paradise Lost" underlines this with Sisco wearing a Classic TNG uniform during his assignment on Earth. Once we get to the Dominion War, most people are essentially in a "Combat Grey" uniform designed specifically for battle (a lot less visible). The entire Federation was at risk, so there was no separation of uniform design.

    Then after the Dominion War I guess you got a new separation between Low Risk and High Risk assignment. The Cerritos and other similar vessels on similar assignments would get a brighter, friendlier TNG style uniform, while combat and deep-space vessels would retain the Combat Grey.

    This is all head-cannon, but it's what I'm guessing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,278 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Stark wrote: »
    Ah that was fantastic.
    Was just watching Archer's Enterprise on the Holodeck. Lol
    Boimler got his promotion, good for him. Will be cool to see more of the Titan next season. Was sort of hoping Mariner would get a promotion to chief of security at the end.


    That was brilliant loved seeing it. Its canon now. I have it already from Eaglemoss.
    Slydice wrote: »
    10: That was great!! I definitely want a season 2!
    The titan turning up with Riker and Troi! Brilliant! Felt for the loss of Shaxs.

    Such a cool ship. I have a model of it from Eaglemoss. It is going to be in demand now I would say. They might need to redo the magazine to it do. Roll on season's 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 and 10 :) at least.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,835 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Rawr wrote: »
    I wonder if they are going back to function-based uniforms that we saw as various points in Trek history.

    DS9 for example had the mostly black uniform that became the Generations / Voyager uniform when the new comm badge came in. However, that uniform existed in parallel with the regular TNG uniform for at least 2 years before becoming a standard.

    I get the feeling that the regular TNG uniform represented the "Inner Fleet", while the DS9 uniform represented outposts and other "Outer Fleet" operations. "Paradise Lost" underlines this with Sisco wearing a Classic TNG uniform during his assignment on Earth. Once we get to the Dominion War, most people are essentially in a "Combat Grey" uniform designed specifically for battle (a lot less visible). The entire Federation was at risk, so there was no separation of uniform design.

    Then after the Dominion War I guess you got a new separation between Low Risk and High Risk assignment. The Cerritos and other similar vessels on similar assignments would get a brighter, friendlier TNG style uniform, while combat and deep-space vessels would retain the Combat Grey.

    This is all head-cannon, but it's what I'm guessing.

    On the live action shows, a lot can be explained by them simply not being able to afford to replace all the uniforms for all the actors when a new uniform is introduced. You see this especially in "Generations", where there was a mismatch between DS9 and TNG style uniforms, with some characters changing uniform mid way through the movie. Behind the scenes explanation being the TNG style uniforms becoming worn out during filming and them having more of the DS9 style to replace them with.

    For an animated show, it's a puzzler.

    I guess Discovery also established that new uniform designs were rolled out on a ship by ship basis rather than an immediate fleet wide basis. Despite it being easy for each ship to replicate new uniforms as soon as the design was updated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    Must be awful for them, having to produce and sell all that extra merchandise.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,668 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Goodshape wrote: »
    Must be awful for them, having to produce and sell all that extra merchandise.

    :D

    Beyond that very good point, I kind of guessed one of the reasons DS9 didn't just use the TNG uniform was to make it easier to tell which show you were watching at a glance. Especially back when you had both DS9 and TNG churning out new episodes at the same time.

    I kind of wonder if that was also the reason why Voyager retained the pre First Contact uniform, even after they were in regular communications with Starfleet and probably had access to the new design. Given that they could replicate new shuttles, torpedoes and Delta Flyers at will, they probably had the power budget for 100-odd new uniforms.

    Although you did have about 2 years where both shows had the same uniform...so I'm not sure...


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,835 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    "I'm sorry, the Hirogen communications network cut out before we could deliver the letters from Harry's mother but we did get to send over the latest in Alpha quadrant fashion" :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭Mollyb60


    Now that's proper Trek! I'd take ten seasons of this over Discovery or (sadly) Picard. I actually squealed out loud when the Titan showed up with Riker and Troi (didn't do that when they showed up in Picard).

    How can Disco and Picard get it so wrong and Lower Decks get it so right? Baffled.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,668 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Mollyb60 wrote: »
    Now that's proper Trek! I'd take ten seasons of this over Discovery or (sadly) Picard. I actually squealed out loud when the Titan showed up with Riker and Troi (didn't do that when they showed up in Picard).

    How can Disco and Picard get it so wrong and Lower Decks get it so right? Baffled.

    The Titan turning up to the tune of the TNG theme-tune no less :D

    As for the differences between Lower Decks and new live action stuff: My only guess at the moment is that Kurtzman isn't actually the showrunner for this show, despite having an Executive Producer credit. They could be going for a movie-style Executive Producer where he's involved in name-only.

    But it really does feel like that the usual Secret Hideout staff are not actually involved. Can only speculate if this is due to Discovery eating up their time...or if it's due to CBS micro-managing this show to ensure that they get at least one decent Trek show out of them.

    What is clear is that whoever is making Lower Decks are actually Trekkies, and are very well versed in pre-Kelvin Star Trek. Nothing about Lower Decks would feel out of place if put beside DS9, or Voyager, or ST VI: The Undiscovered Country. It feels like it belongs, which is something that is alas hard to say about Discovery or Picard.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,049 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I had a peep at the sludge that is User Reviews on metacritic and ... it's at 4.1 However, the devil is in the details. While only 17 of the 40 "negative" reviews left comments, all bar one were left in or around the 2nd episode. Suggesting some simply bailed early over those more hyperactive early episodes, mixed with reactive dismissal (one calling it "anti Trek", which seems ironic)

    Lord knows why or when the other 23 "negative" scores were left but as always with these aggregators there's usually a significant "whining fan boy" cabal who'll vote something down out of nervous reaction, or whatever passes for their principcal (Captain Marvel; black stormtroopers; Amazon releasing "The Boys" weekly instead of in one go [yes, that was a thing]).

    The positive reviews circle around the same line of thinking: give this a chance, it's far better than at first glance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,835 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Yeah the IMDB average rating is low, but most of the ratings came in early so it was unfairly tarnished.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 24,818 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    Given the overall arc of character development, it's quite plausible the irritating tone of Mariner in the first few episodes was a conscious decision. Which now leads to a scenario where people gave up early, giving it bad reviews, and it's effectively being punished for actually doing the right thing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    Spear wrote: »
    Given the overall arc of character development, it's quite plausible the irritating tone of Mariner in the first few episodes was a conscious decision. Which now leads to a scenario where people gave up early, giving it bad reviews, and it's effectively being punished for actually doing the right thing.

    That's a really good point.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,049 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Spear wrote: »
    Given the overall arc of character development, it's quite plausible the irritating tone of Mariner in the first few episodes was a conscious decision. Which now leads to a scenario where people gave up early, giving it bad reviews, and it's effectively being punished for actually doing the right thing.

    Oh I'd say it was a creative choice all right: Mariner was introduced at her lowest ebb; completely off the chain and acting out against her mother with a "no f*cks given" approach. One that in retrospect was only going to ostracise those ready to hate on the show - myself included TBH. That first scene with her was a terrible introduction IMO, while the initial trailers focused on that early material, the tone then coming off poorly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,668 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Spear wrote: »
    Given the overall arc of character development, it's quite plausible the irritating tone of Mariner in the first few episodes was a conscious decision. Which now leads to a scenario where people gave up early, giving it bad reviews, and it's effectively being punished for actually doing the right thing.

    Based on what we learn later on (and might end up learning later), Mariner's attitude appears to make perfect sense.

    She acts horribly to actively avoid promotion to a higher rank that she may have held before. Which in turn explains why a Lower Decks Ensign is surprisingly knowledgeable.
    So, in my head, she's a haunted ex-Lieutenant who can't stand to prospect of command but also cannot bear to be away from Starfleet. So she hides in the Lower Decks on a generally event-free starship that her parents put her on so that her Captain mother can keep her safe.

    Makes for a rather additive character that I went from hating initially, to a character I actually give a damn about. As one Youtuber once put it; *this* is what Micheal Burnham should have been.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,690 ✭✭✭Evade


    Rawr wrote: »
    :D

    Beyond that very good point, I kind of guessed one of the reasons DS9 didn't just use the TNG uniform was to make it easier to tell which show you were watching at a glance. Especially back when you had both DS9 and TNG churning out new episodes at the same time.
    I read somewhere, but I can't find it now, the high collared TNG style uniforms were very expensive and difficult to maintain which probably contributed to the change.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,835 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Rawr wrote: »
    Based on what we learn later on (and might end up learning later), Mariner's attitude appears to make perfect sense.

    She acts horribly to actively avoid promotion to a higher rank that she may have held before. Which in turn explains why a Lower Decks Ensign is surprisingly knowledgeable.
    So, in my head, she's a haunted ex-Lieutenant who can't stand to prospect of command but also cannot bear to be away from Starfleet. So she hides in the Lower Decks on a generally event-free starship that her parents put her on so that her Captain mother can keep her safe.

    Makes for a rather additive character that I went from hating initially, to a character I actually give a damn about. As one Youtuber once put it; *this* is what Micheal Burnham should have been.

    There were a few throwaway comments from early episodes that I can't really remember now but Memory Alpha seems to confirm what I thought that she once held Lieutenant rank: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Beckett_Mariner#USS_Quito

    There was a throwaway comment in one episode from her about being court martialed but no confirmation on whether that was actually true or not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭santana75


    Mollyb60 wrote: »
    Now that's proper Trek! I'd take ten seasons of this over Discovery or (sadly) Picard. I actually squealed out loud when the Titan showed up with Riker and Troi (didn't do that when they showed up in Picard).

    How can Disco and Picard get it so wrong and Lower Decks get it so right? Baffled.

    I was thinking the same thing myself. And I really wanted to like "Picard" and Discovery but they just dont feel like Trek. I think the reason why lower decks has that Trek feel in spades is because Mike McMahan is a bona fide, 100% fan of the original shows. He's also a great writer, so if you put those two things together you end up with something thats the real deal. Im only on episode 8 myself so maybe this has happened already, but I would love if they introduced a story arc and not just stand alone episodes. Thats not a complaint btw, I just think it would be an even better show if there was a season long arc the way they had on DS9.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    Stark wrote: »
    Yeah the IMDB average rating is low, but most of the ratings came in early so it was unfairly tarnished.




    or maybe its low because it deserves that low rating ?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,049 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The curse of aggregators on a TV show is that if a user rates something low off the back of watching 1, 2 episodes - that's hardly a fair reflection of the overall season. Should a user's score count if they've only watched < 20% of the entire run? Hardly. That's an inherently flawed system 'cos eveyone knows of a show that starts poor but gets better. It's practically a rite of passage TBH and rare enough a show starts off amazing.

    Does Lower Decks deserve the rating? No, not remotely. It's not a perfect show - it's actually not that funny in places and the jokes are half-hearted - but it's solid and "very Trek" for those who speak of those things. Starts off rough but its main characters are personable and I've fond myself rooting for them.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    or maybe its low because it deserves that low rating ?

    or... maybe it doesn't.


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