Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

Enzokk

Hurrache wrote: »

Often qualified today as being especially applicable to the Torys.

Ian Dunt doesn't seem to value her word as being of much value,

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1072942567862517761

devnull

Water John wrote: »

Anything near that 130 against prediction would be very bad for her, totally lame duck.

Would be a bigger mandate than they is for Brexit.

Watch the ERG say she has no mandate if she only gets 60-40 in her favour, being the same people who claim 52-48 is a clear mandate.

hill16bhoy

If it's only 86 that's more than sufficient for May to be secure in her job.

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1072942071554686977

briany

devnull wrote: »

Would be a bigger mandate than they is for Brexit.

Watch the ERG say she has no mandate if she only gets 60-40 in her favour, being the same people who claim 52-48 is a clear mandate.

What slippery language would Mogg employ in that case in order to dodge accusations of hypocrisy I wonder?

Water John

I'd be surprised if anyone really knows. Former 1922 chair says they should be counted in 10 mins.

briany

A win here would be another middle finger to those who said she wouldn't last six months in the job. Might have to start calling her 'The Barnacle'.

Water John

Mrs. Mediocre would be nearer the mark.

syngindub

Wonder if she will still go to Brussels tomorrow if she doesnt get the vote

devnull

syngindub wrote: »

Wonder if she will still go to Brussels tomorrow if she doesnt get the vote

She would as she'd no longer be leader of the Tory party but she'd still be Prime Minister until a new leader is chosen.

blackcard

How will the result be announced? By who? In camera?

Water John

Don't know, but hints being given to journalists about what margin is needed for it to be comfortable. Some of those being low eg margin of 50, others saying 200 for her needed.

branie2

I wouldn't be surprised if the vote is no confidence.

Itssoeasy

blackcard wrote: »

How will the result be announced ? By who? In camera?

On camera and by sir graham brady the chairman of the 1922 committee sometime around 9pm, although a former chairman said on sky that's its 316 votes with three people counting so it should be far quicker than an hour.

Enzokk

Itssoeasy wrote: »

On camera and by sir graham brady the chairman of the 1922 committee sometime around 9pm, although a former chairman said on sky that's its 316 votes with three people counting so it should be far quicker than an hour.

According to this tweet the results will be delivered and broadcast at 9pm.

https://twitter.com/dansabbagh/status/1072946022723321857

bilston

Enzokk wrote: »

According to this tweet the results will be delivered and broadcast at 9pm.

https://twitter.com/dansabbagh/status/1072946022723321857

Aye...I'd say there is a reason the BBC aren't starting their news special until 8.30 on BBC1

Itssoeasy

Enzokk wrote: »

According to this tweet the results will be delivered and broadcast at 9pm.

https://twitter.com/dansabbagh/status/1072946022723321857

Right, so even if the result is known before 9pm it won't be known until then. Runs the risk of it leaking out before hand though doesn't it ?

4068ac1elhodqr

Would like to see one of her trademark boogie woogies robo-dances up to the press for her victory speech.
Just to lighten up the mood, if nothing else.

Capt'n Midnight

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Hearrrrrrrrrr hearrrrrrrrrr

I know pmqs is mostly theatre, but this is pure pantomime.

Oh no it isn't


If May looses the Brexiteers could put lots of names forward just to drag out the process to get a default leave.

devnull

branie2 wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if the vote is no confidence.

If it is, it means a lot of the Tory MPs are liars, which I guess isn't that surprising.

Inquitus

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Oh no it isn't


If May looses the Brexiteers could put lots of names forward just to drag out the process to get a default leave.

They can't, the Tories have said they can expedite the MP selection process to 10 days odd if required.

J Mysterio

Shelga wrote: »

Anyone else watching Sky News? Just me or does Michael Heseltine look like he has a man bun?

You should listen to what he says, not worry about his hair. He's a wise, experienced and honourable man, something the UK badly needs more of.

Why is it that in the UK, it seems so many of the decent, older, useful and knowledgeable leaders or characters seem to just disipate into the ether after a brief run in politics. Never to be heard from again, other than the odd sensible comment.

Ken Clarke seems to be one of few veterans of any use. In the US, many senators hang around forever (not that their politics are to be recommended). Keep enough of the better politicians and you should not ever have such disasters develop, never mind be sustained over such an agonizing, protracted length of time.

Listening to guys like Heseltine and Major makes you realise how few decent and intelligent older guys there are about to influence matters.

Even keeping people who you might not like but can at least respect. There's any number of personalities who have been lost to British politics.

Water John

Brady said it would be down to 2 names for the final ballot before recess.
Mysterio, right wise counsel.

murphaph

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Oh no it isn't


If May looses the Brexiteers could put lots of names forward just to drag out the process to get a default leave.

Then parliament including Tory moderates will have to vote no confidence in the government to force a general election. Or May as PM could legitimately call a people's vote in the face of obvious obstructionism by the ERG. I don't believe parliament will tolerate ERG shenanigans in this manner.

bilston

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Oh no it isn't


If May looses the Brexiteers could put lots of names forward just to drag out the process to get a default leave.

I think that is exactly their play

UsedToWait

That the BBC still has that dinosaur Andrew Neil fronting after Carole Cadwalladr peeled back his facade recently (he's tied in with the nexus of 'think tanks' [lobbyists / political operatives] involved in the whole Trump / Russia / Brexit / dirty money / media manipulation that has got us all into this mess in the first place, and is a horrible b'stard to boot) is emblematic of how bankrupt they are as a news service now.

Water John

Switch to Murnaghan on Sky. Fairly balanced.

devnull

Water John wrote: »

Switch to Murnaghan on Sky. Fairly balanced.

Sky has been pretty heavily bashed by the Brexit bunch saying that they are ardent remainers.

Always seemed quite balanced to me though, and at least they have a view from Dublin and Northern Ireland once in a while, having correspondents there, who actually are from Ireland, rather than the BBC who tend to ignore us.

Professor Moriarty

devnull wrote: »

Sky has been pretty heavily bashed by the Brexit bunch saying that they are ardent remainers.

I think they lean towards Remain.

Folkstonian

UsedToWait wrote: »

That the BBC still has that dinosaur Andrew Neil fronting after Carole Cadwalladr peeled back his facade recently (he's tied in with the nexus of 'think tanks' [lobbyists / political operatives] involved in the whole Trump / Russia / Brexit / dirty money / media manipulation that has got us all into this mess in the first place, and is a horrible b'stard to boot) is emblematic of how bankrupt they are as a news service now.

Whatever you think of him as a person, he’s still the most fearsome political interviewer in the U.K.

Professor Moriarty

Sturgeon scathing about the Tories on Sky. She very obviously hates their guts.

intellectual dosser

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I think they lean towards Remain.

I think they give plenty of air time to Brexiters but they all come across so poorly.

seamus

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Sturgeon scathing about the Tories on Sky. She very obviously hates their guts.

They completely screwed her over. Allowed her to hold an independence referendum, campaigned against her with the Trump card of EU membership, and then turned around and left the EU.

All of Scotland hates the Tories. They have continually treated Scotland as second class citizens and a burden. Sturgeon is merely representing her constituents.

devnull

Suggestions from Sky Political Ed from what he's heard from leavers, that it's closer than they thought it would be.

Apparently in the committee room there was a fair bit of naysaying.

Not long till we find out.

UsedToWait

Folkstonian wrote: »

Whatever you think of him as a person, he’s still the most fearsome political interviewer in the U.K.

I'm afraid I can't take his political interviews at face value now, knowing him as a person.

Professor Moriarty

intellectual dosser wrote: »

I think they give plenty of air time to Brexiters but they all come across so poorly.

I dunno. Any time I watch their interviews, they seem to give Remainers an easier ride. But you're right, every time a Brexiteer opens their mouth and talks about Brexit, their stupidity shines through.

devnull

UsedToWait wrote: »

I'm afraid I can't take his political interviews at face value now, knowing him as a person.

What did you see/hear?

David Davis seen with a smile on his face, guess any second we find out if the Tories are widespread liars or not.

Thargor

This is tense

You could easily forget the compete sh1tshow of her 'deal' is still sitting there waiting to be dealt with.

Thargor

Here we go!

Larbre34

Brady is in. Drum roll please.

devnull

Result of contest

Confidence vote passed.

Larbre34

She won...

Thargor

She survives.

Shelga

J Mysterio wrote: »

You should listen to what he says, not worry about his hair. He's a wise, experienced and honourable man, something the UK badly needs more of.
.

Totally agree, he seems like an inherently decent and honourable man, with a deep sense of integrity that is sorely lacking in many Tory MPs today.

Was just making a joke, my comment was a bit After Hours-y alright...

Larbre34

200 to 117.

Enzokk

She has won the vote. Still doesn't mean her deal gets through parliament. 200 to 117.

devnull

Confidence: 200
No Confidence 117

Majority 83.

No confidence vote for 12 months.

Professor Moriarty

It's like a crowd at a Junior B hurling game.

Headshot

Im delighted she's saying in power

I would of ****ing love to see the look on Jacob Rees-Mogg tonight

Rub it in his face

200 to 117

The party has confidence in the leader.

Water John

117 big enough, margin 83. Over one third, wounded.