Richard Bruton out; Joe McHugh in as new Minister for Education

gaiscioch

Varadkar just announced it.

Four ministerial changes: Bruton to Communications, Canney becomes a Minister of State

What can we expect? An acknowledgement that aping the yellow pack English system and all its ridiculous bureaucracy and pointless meetings is unproductive stupidity on a stunning scale and the government is changing course, or just another politician who does what the same senior civil servants who got us into this mess advise him to do?

I won't hold my breath.

judeboy101

Finally, a minister who understands the plight of teachers and has the experience dealing with the complex issues facing education in the 21st century.

mtoutlemonde

judeboy101 wrote: »

Finally, a minister who understands the plight of teachers and has the experience dealing with the complex issues facing education in the 21st century.

He only taught for three years though but did become a youth worker ... I'll hold my breath!!! I'll miss Richard - a fine minister for education...all the reforms, equality for LPTs - there's so much he did I could be here all day!! He might be a bit more interested where he is.

judeboy101

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

He only taught for three years though but did become a youth worker ... I'll hold my breath!!! I'll miss Richard - a fine minister for education...all the reforms, equality for LPTs - there's so much he did I could be here all day!! He might be a bit more interested where he is.

I was being sarcastic. :-)

evolving_doors

judeboy101 wrote: »

I was being sarcastic. :-)

I thought all the wellbeing was getting to your head there for a second.



Shur look, at this stage it's obvious the mandarins in the department are pushing the decoupling of state and education with the creation of middle management and school autonomy.

evolving_doors

I suppose we could give Joe some credit for going back to school to brush up on his Gaeilge for the previous role.
No... genuinely I'm not being sarcastic, I'd give him that at least.

maynooth_rules

Maybe he will finally be the Minister to put a stop to the shambles that is Jct reform.

I think we will be waiting.
I will miss Bruton talking about ****ing 'stakeholders' in every discussion he has about education.

RealJohn

maynooth_rules wrote: »

Maybe he will finally be the Minister to put a stop to the shambles that is Jct reform.

That ship has sailed. All we can hope for in that regard is that the failed experiment will be short lived and that it won’t lead to LC ‘reform’, which is already being threatened.

amacca

RealJohn wrote: »

That ship has sailed. All we can hope for in that regard is that the failed experiment will be short lived and that it won’t lead to LC ‘reform’, which is already being threatened.

I really wouldn't hold your breath on that.......its a runaway train at this point imo

to further the analogy it will have to derail before it gets back on track. were talking 15/20 years before common sense gets back into the party.... if ever.

judeboy101

evolving_doors wrote: »

I thought all the wellbeing was getting to your head there for a second.



Shur look, at this stage it's obvious the mandarins in the department are pushing the decoupling of state and education with the creation of middle management and school autonomy.

I've recently found myself buying packets of post-its for some strange reason.

km79

More of the same

TheValeyard

Ill put Richard Bruton in the same bag as Ruairi Quinn.

Then beat the bag with sticks.

TheDriver

In fairness, we should hold judgement until we see how Joe gets on. At least he is a teacher in his own past and has experienced real life education.

Mountainsandh

I'd love if we could go back to just being schools.

gaiscioch

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Ill put Richard Bruton in the same bag as Ruairi Quinn.

Then beat the bag with sticks.

hehe. The Dara Ó Briain solution:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvrbZrsmT3E

Mardy Bum

His first idea of attracting teachers back home is the use of Skype interviews.

He was serious. Let the ideas flow Joe.

Clown.

evolving_doors

I wonder how the interviewers would keep the elephant in the room out of view.

Mountainsandh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMOOG7rWTPg

evolving_doors wrote: »

I wonder how the interviewers would keep the elephant in the room out of view.

Bad connection

fall

Skype interviews are already happening!

mtoutlemonde

Is this just soft talk for his first outing as Minister or is he the first Minister to say stop and think of teacher wellbeing? Other ministers felt wellbeing centred around the student and never mind the teacher who has to deal with more and more BS every year which if course causes stress as no one can answer a question honesty/with knowledge???

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/teachers-under-pressure-from-initiative-overload-says-new-minister-for-education-1.3668486?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR2OXenBmpLUXz0PbgDi0JHJfaZMHw25rKK65CKMaFdwkrCcUa2nUyoBFz8

byhookorbycrook

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

Is this just soft talk for his first outing as Minister or is he the first Minister to say stop and think of teacher wellbeing? Other ministers felt wellbeing centred around the student and never mind the teacher who has to deal with more and more BS every year which if course causes stress as no one can answer a question honesty/with knowledge???

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/teachers-under-pressure-from-initiative-overload-says-new-minister-for-education-1.3668486?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR2OXenBmpLUXz0PbgDi0JHJfaZMHw25rKK65CKMaFdwkrCcUa2nUyoBFz8

Hmmmmm, he wants to set up "an examination of “what’s working and not working” and where there are “strengths and weaknesses”.



Now isn't that going to be just lovely. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Who does he plan to do this work, if not the teachers? More paperwork for us and he will be long gone after the election, if not before.

amacca

I could help him out

Not working: a significant percentage of the students in most classrooms I suspect.

ethical

The new minister said he was one of the teachers who had to emigrate,good for him! If he has any cop on he will look closely at what his predecessor did which was sweet fanny adams as far as positive initiatives for teachers go,on the other hand he did countless things to annoy teachers,fcuk up the profession permanently ..............................................and in doing so we have moved SEVEN years down the road to a place where quite a few teachers (sorry I do not have the stats) are closer to retirement so I guess in another 6-7 years there will be even more teachers on the new lower unequal salary without any need for fighting this battle that no one seems to be winning,definitely not the lower paid teachers anyways!

If the minister has an iota of cop on he will gather all the over 50 yr old teachers and say to them " can you please,please,please retire,(we will enhance your pension by x years) and in doing so will create hundreds of jobs for inequal teachers who might then be able to go to the bank and get a mortgage,start a family and do just normal things rather than be fighting the employer the wholetime!

Of course this will never happen....the again Trump was never going to win the US election!!!!!!

mtoutlemonde

ethical wrote: »

The new minister said he was one of the teachers who had to emigrate,good for him! If he has any cop on he will look closely at what his predecessor did which was sweet fanny adams as far as positive initiatives for teachers go,on the other hand he did countless things to annoy teachers,fcuk up the profession permanently ..............................................and in doing so we have moved SEVEN years down the road to a place where quite a few teachers (sorry I do not have the stats) are closer to retirement so I guess in another 6-7 years there will be even more teachers on the new lower unequal salary without any need for fighting this battle that no one seems to be winning,definitely not the lower paid teachers anyways!

If the minister has an iota of cop on he will gather all the over 50 yr old teachers and say to them " can you please,please,please retire,(we will enhance your pension by x years) and in doing so will create hundreds of jobs for inequal teachers who might then be able to go to the bank and get a mortgage,start a family and do just normal things rather than be fighting the employer the wholetime!

Of course this will never happen....the again Trump was never going to win the US election!!!!!!

Did that not happen a few years ago where teachers retired in February as they got some kind of handshake?

km79

ethical wrote: »

The new minister said he was one of the teachers who had to emigrate,good for him! If he has any cop on he will look closely at what his predecessor did which was sweet fanny adams as far as positive initiatives for teachers go,on the other hand he did countless things to annoy teachers,fcuk up the profession permanently ..............................................and in doing so we have moved SEVEN years down the road to a place where quite a few teachers (sorry I do not have the stats) are closer to retirement so I guess in another 6-7 years there will be even more teachers on the new lower unequal salary without any need for fighting this battle that no one seems to be winning,definitely not the lower paid teachers anyways!

If the minister has an iota of cop on he will gather all the over 50 yr old teachers and say to them " can you please,please,please retire,(we will enhance your pension by x years) and in doing so will create hundreds of jobs for inequal teachers who might then be able to go to the bank and get a mortgage,start a family and do just normal things rather than be fighting the employer the wholetime!

Of course this will never happen....the again Trump was never going to win the US election!!!!!!

There is no way i will want to retire when I am 50 and would resent being forced to
What would ya do with yourself !!!!!

judeboy101

km79 wrote: »

There is no way i will want to retire when I am 50 and would resent being forced to
What would ya do with yourself !!!!!

Id retire in the morning if given half the chance (still have another 20yrs to go, min)

Mountainsandh

judeboy101 wrote: »

Id retire in the morning if given half the chance (still have another 20yrs to go, min)

Same here, I'm 45 and job sharing so not near enough, but dammit, I'd definitely go !

I like teaching but I've tons of things I'd like to do.

judeboy101

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Same here, I'm 45 and job sharing so not near enough, but dammit, I'd definitely go !

I like teaching but I've tons of things I'd like to do.

My fear is they'll cut contact time more to free up teachers to do the admin end . I just to teach.

mtoutlemonde

judeboy101 wrote: »

My fear is they'll cut contact time more to free up teachers to do the admin end . I just to teach.

Yes I totally agree, I still love my teaching (not admin).

I would fear of less contact time - am down one period for second year and probably the same for third year. Will also be down a month for those stupid CBAs. I said it before - I'd prefer to correct my second year summer exams than spend a month preparing for CBA that doesn't even carry a proper grade.

mtoutlemonde

km79 wrote: »

There is no way i will want to retire when I am 50 and would resent being forced to
What would ya do with yourself !!!!!

Become a facilitator for the JCT

km79

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

Become a facilitator for the JCT

LOL

mtoutlemonde

km79 wrote: »

LOL

Couldn't resist!!!

byhookorbycrook

ethical wrote: »

If the minister has an iota of cop on he will gather all the over 50 yr old teachers and say to them " can you please,please,please retire,(we will enhance your pension by x years) and in doing so will create hundreds of jobs for inequal teachers who might then be able to go to the bank and get a mortgage,start a family and do just normal things rather than be fighting the employer the wholetime!

I find this highly insulting and I'm too old to be called a snowflake. I work in SEN and have worked hard to upskill myself and to run a damn good ship. I support younger colleagues in every way possible at work and through ballots , but it's not my job to pay their bills. Some of us still have mortgages too, you know.

amacca

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

Yes I totally agree, I still love my teaching (not admin).

I would fear of less contact time - am down one period for second year and probably the same for third year. Will also be down a month for those stupid CBAs. I said it before - I'd prefer to correct my second year summer exams than spend a month preparing for CBA that doesn't even carry a proper grade.

The problem with that is they'll probably find a way for you to do that too along with the CBAs and every other hare brained poorly implemented initiative any moron thinks that schools should be doing + all the associated paper trail ass covering reflective evidence gathering that goes with it along with the usual navel gazing collaboration "meetings" etc

Seriously I'd be careful what you suggest etc, divide and conquer has worked imo, they have the profession on the run now because they can't stick to together as they are made up of a number of disparate groups etc etc

Best option now is give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves rather than cut a stick for them to beat you with.

mtoutlemonde

amacca wrote: »

The problem with that is they'll probably find a way for you to do that too along with the CBAs and every other hare brained poorly implemented initiative any moron thinks that schools should be doing + all the associated paper trail ass covering reflective evidence gathering that goes with it along with the usual navel gazing collaboration "meetings" etc

Seriously I'd be careful what you suggest etc, divide and conquer has worked imo, they have the profession on the run now because they can't stick to together as they are made up of a number of disparate groups etc etc

Best option now is give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves rather than cut a stick for them to beat you with.

Yes I agree - what I meant was that instead of CBAs which waste time, I would prefer to correct summer tests as I have done for years which would take 10/15 minutes each depending on the subject but definitely not both.

The rope is getting slacker but how long will it take the fantastic JCT to admit they made a mistake. Even our new Minister has said that all theses changes have happened very fast and need examination.