Wilton road works

mean gene

Whats going on out there disaster zone for last few months :eek:

Richmond Ultra

Another few weeks of work still to happen. Jerry Buttimer gives updates on the work via his social media pages.

Zico !

what works is it

Richmond Ultra

Resurfacing, creation of cycling lane, narrower gap between both sides of the road.

hesker

From Jerry Buttimer's facebook page:

"Sarsfield Road Area Update:

Siac Construction Ltd are progressing drainage installation works in the westbound lane from Sarsfield Road Roundabout. Lane width restrictions are in place here but the works will not cause any traffic disruption.
On the Sarsfield Road itself between Sarsfield Road Roundabout and Wilton Road Roundabout:
Works are continuing on the northbound lanes. These works should reach substantial completion this week, with the exception of final surfacing works which will be carried out next month under night-time working.
As part of this process, the dedicated left in lane to Wilton shopping centre will be fully re-established.
The works focus will then switch to the existing median area and this will be followed by works on the southbound lanes. It is expected that the works will reach substantial completion in early December 2018.
Details of any upcoming traffic restrictions will continue to be circulated in future updates."


Not clear that there is to be any drainage improvement in the southbound section between Wilton and Sarsfield Roundabouts opposite the shopping centre. This is always flooded whenever it rains.

Nice flood in it this morning but hopefully drainage is in progress.

grogi

mean gene wrote: »

Whats going on out there disaster zone for last few months :eek:

Disaster? Regular road works, actually pretty well managed. At the begining they could rearrange some of the lanes a bit better, but in general this is done very well.

What is a disaster are the people who don't obey the 'no-right-turn' signs. I know that you ABSOLUTELY have to turn here to go to Tesco...

bogman

Narrowing of city roads, wider footpaths, increased traffic, huge traffic jams, no Gardai on point duty, traffic lights programmed to ensure you are caught on red 4 to 5 times out of 6, major works beginning in September when the kids go back to school, am I right in this? you have to question our city planners

TheChizler

Where? In Wilton?

mordeith

Can anyone explain why they have put a bus lane in the left lane turning into the shopping centre?

grogi

mordeith wrote: »

Can anyone explain why they have put a bus lane in the left lane turning into the shopping centre?

To allow bus to jump the traffic?!

All the morons blocking the lane when turning left should get a hefty fine, that would teach some to read the traffic signs.

Mardyke

mordeith wrote: »

Can anyone explain why they have put a bus lane in the left lane turning into the shopping centre?

WTF

Are you serious?

mordeith

Mardyke wrote: »

WTF

Are you serious?

Yes, the lane doesn't go straight on. There was a bus today and it didn't bother using the lane as it would have to indicate to get back into the main flow of traffic. Also it's only about 50 yards long.

grogi

mordeith wrote: »

Yes, the lane doesn't go straight on. There was a bus today and it didn't bother using the lane as it would have to indicate to get back into the main flow of traffic. Also it's only about 50 yards long.

The bus lane ends 20m before the junction. It cannot not go straight, because there simply is no bus lane at the junction.

blindsider

This road is the main route for Emergency (Ambulance) vehicles into Cork University Hospital - scheduled to be the #2 Major Trauma Centre in the country. We have a bus lane that goes nowhere, narrower traffic lanes, a major shopping centre in the middle, and a badly-designed roundabout beside the hospital....WTF are the planners and designers doing?

grogi

blindsider wrote: »

This road is the main route for Emergency (Ambulance) vehicles into Cork University Hospital - scheduled to be the #2 Major Trauma Centre in the country. We have a bus lane that goes nowhere

It is the a very typical layout - the left lane is for left turn except buses and cyclist.

narrower traffic lanes

City is for people, not cars.

a major shopping centre in the middle

Nothing to be done with that without a huge money to buy them out and close it. If that was ever done, imagine the endless whining about poor children...

and a badly-designed roundabout beside the hospital....WTF are the planners and designers doing?

What is badly designed? Wilton RB? It is the one of the finest examples of turbine RB in this country. Could use a bit of tuning of lane markers, but in general it is a good piece of engineering.

Generally I am very sceptical about the changes that are done or not done to the infrastructure in this country. The overall 'cannot be done' attitude drives me crazy. This project however seems to have sense.

mordeith

grogi wrote: »

The bus lane ends 20m before the junction. It cannot not go straight, because there simply is no bus lane at the junction.

Yes I know but what is the point of a 30m bus lane that then requires the bus to cut back into traffic. Also two or three cars can fit in the top of the lane where they can legally be in it. The value of that bus lane to buses is negligible. They should have left the whole length as an access lane to the shopping centre.

blindsider

grogi wrote: »

It is the a very typical layout - the left lane is for left turn except buses and cyclist.



City is for people, not cars.

This is an arterial route. People have cars. Public transport is a joke.



Nothing to be done with that without a huge money to buy them out and close it. If that was ever done, imagine the endless whining about poor children...

I'm not saying they should buy the SC. The Planners should however, make appropriate decisions based on it being there, instead of ignoring it.


What is badly designed? Wilton RB? It is the one of the finest examples of turbine RB in this country. Could use a bit of tuning of lane markers, but in general it is a good piece of engineering.

You contradicted yourself here so I'll leave it....

Generally I am very sceptical about the changes that are done or not done to the infrastructure in this country. The overall 'cannot be done' attitude drives me crazy. This project however seems to have sense.

I'm not sure what this last paragraph means.....

AugustusMinimus

This project makes little or no sense. It’s like planners are trying to devise ways to create traffic and confuse motorists.

mean gene

Place is a complete mess nice one city hall another mistake-you be wondering how these muppets get in there in the first place

sheff_

mean gene wrote: »

Place is a complete mess nice one city hall another mistake-you be wondering how these muppets get in there in the first place

It’s the first development in the area in the last 30+ years which has put the needs of local residents who want/need to walk to schools/shops/the hospital above those of people driving cars. Hopefully it won’t be the last.

j8wk2feszrnpao

I've always though that the bus stop should be right at the current entrance (on Bishopstown road). Line the road so that the traffic in the two middle lanes are back 5-10 meters, so the bus can move back out even when the lights are red and have priority. And then have a slip road into the shopping center behind the bus stop.
Traffic can move into the left lane to go into the shopping center, the bus can stop and move out again easily, the two middle lanes would need to yield to the bus and the right lane for the hospital.

j8wk2feszrnpao

sheff_ wrote: »

It’s the first development in the area in the last 30+ years which has put the needs of local residents who want/need to walk to schools/shops/the hospital above those of people driving cars. Hopefully it won’t be the last.

What a load of rubbish. How long do you think the bus/cycle lane that goes from Bishoptown Rd past the hospital into the city exists?

sheff_

munstermagic11 wrote: »

What a load of rubbish. How long do you think the bus/cycle lane that goes from Bishoptown Rd past the hospital into the city exists?

It’s a bus lane. I wouldn’t advise anyone to walk in it. Also it’s no use to people using Sarsfield Road, which is the road works all previous posts were discussing.

j8wk2feszrnpao

sheff_ wrote: »

It’s a bus lane.

Yes, a bus lane. Used by local residents when they walk to the bus stop.
Another was when they got rid of that awful underground tunnel (intimidating with some of the people that hung out there, so imagine how it’d be used now) to go under the Sarsfield Road; now proper traffic lights to allow pedestrians pass.

AugustusMinimus

sheff_ wrote: »

It’s a bus lane. I wouldn’t advise anyone to walk in it. Also it’s no use to people using Sarsfield Road, which is the road works all previous posts were discussing.

Could you explain the point of a 30m bus lane which has removed a left filter lane and which it now appears that bus drivers aren’t using because it is potentially slower having to reserve with the mainline?

grogi

mordeith wrote: »

Yes I know but what is the point of a 30m bus lane that then requires the bus to cut back into traffic. Also two or three cars can fit in the top of the lane where they can legally be in it. The value of that bus lane to buses is negligible. They should have left the whole length as an access lane to the shopping centre.

You're right, I've revisted the site today. The bus lane should be continous upto the Wilton RB.

sheff_

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Yes, a bus lane. Used by local residents when they walk to the bus stop.
Another was when they got rid of that awful underground tunnel (intimidating with some of the people that hung out there, so imagine how it’d be used now) to go under the Sarsfield Road; now proper traffic lights to allow pedestrians pass.

The tunnel was far from perfect, but rather than try and improve it got replaced by a staggered pedestrian crossing across a dual carriageway where cars frequently speed and ignore red lights. Not the best either. At least the current works removed the motorway style crash barriers - hopefully drivers might lower their speeds a bit because of this.
Again though, a bus lane added to 1 side of Bishopstown road was of no benefit to pedestrians. In fact it just meant an additional traffic lane for people to cross.

sheff_

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Could you explain the point of a 30m bus lane which has removed a left filter lane and which it now appears that bus drivers aren’t using because it is potentially slower having to reserve with the mainline?

Not a clue. As you say it’s an immediate fail. Should’ve taken some land from the shopping centre and taken the bus lane up to the roundabout, or just not bothered with that section. If no buses are using it though then it’ll still function fine as a left filter lane.

So the same number if traffic lanes, but for the first time in decades the pedestrian experience in the area has been improved by works, not made worse. Maybe improving that and the cycle lanes, plus improving drainage from the was the main purpose of the works? Much less flooding on the road the last few week - again a win for pedestrians.

j8wk2feszrnpao

sheff_ wrote: »

The tunnel was far from perfect

The tunnel was terrible, residents wanted it gone due to two reasons; it became a hosting area for some unsavory youths and it had people parking there just to go across to the shopping center (as the car park was often full). So the residents were very happy to see it gone and replaced by lights. I know cause I lived in Wilton Court, so very aware of the debate at the time. So your initial statement was incorrect.
People who are pedestrians are more likely to use the bus (I did when I lived there) so the bus lane was def an improvement for them. Not sure why you are moaning about an extra lane to cross, a total red herring, you wait for the lights and you cross the road; extra lane means nothing in that context.

sheff_

munstermagic11 wrote: »

The tunnel was terrible, residents wanted it gone due to two reasons; it became a hosting area for some unsavory youths and it had people parking there just to go across to the shopping center (as the car park was often full). So the residents were very happy to see it gone and replaced by lights. I know cause I lived in Wilton Court, so very aware of the debate at the time. So your initial statement was incorrect.
People who are pedestrians are more likely to use the bus (I did when I lived there) so the bus lane was def an improvement for them. Not sure why you are moaning about an extra lane to cross, a total red herring, you wait for the lights and you cross the road; extra lane means nothing in that context.

Blocking the tunnel didn’t stop people parking in Wilton Court for the shopping centre, introducing disc parking did. It did mean that an uninterrupted route was changed to having to use 2 sets of lights to cross a dual Carraigeway. The tunnel wasn’t great, but neither was the replacement.

My initial statement was about locals walking to shops/schools/the hospital. A bus lane on Bishopstown road was of no benefit to anyone doing that. The current works however have made some improvements, the first in a long time.

j8wk2feszrnpao

sheff_ wrote: »

Blocking the tunnel didn’t stop people parking in Wilton Court for the shopping centre, introducing disc parking did.

It greatly reduced it. Immediately. People would leave their trolleys over there as well, and that stopped. Disc parking didn't come in when they made the change, it was well after that cause I lived there for a while even after the tunnel was gone.

sheff_ wrote: »

It did mean that an uninterrupted route was changed to having to use 2 sets of lights to cross a dual Carraigeway. The tunnel wasn’t great, but neither was the replacement.

The residents wanted that change, so it was great for them.

sheff_ wrote: »

My initial statement was about locals walking to shops/schools/the hospital.

Yes, and the residents of got what the wanted going across to Wilton SC. So there was an improvement, sought by residents, well within your 30+ years; which was your initial statement.

sheff_

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It greatly reduced it. Immediately. People would leave their trolleys over there as well, and that stopped. Disc parking didn't come in when they made the change, it was well after that cause I lived there for a while even after the tunnel was gone.


The residents wanted that change, so it was great for them.

Yes, and the residents of got what the wanted going across to Wilton SC. So there was an improvement, sought by residents, well within your 30+ years; which was your initial statement.

I’m gonna have to say that a staggered crossing across a dual carraigeway with motorway style crash barriers and cars running red lights was not a great fix. The tunnel had anti social behavior but it’s amazing what a bright bulb can do to reduce this (see the bridge between riverview and deanrock for an example).

The current works on Sarsfield Road have helped somewhat improve the pedestrian experience in an area where all previous works introduced additional interaction between pedestrians and traffic, left more traffic lanes to cross, left footpaths which were too narrow and left drainage issues which meant the footpath on one side of the road was unusable in bad weather.

No change to number of traffic lanes but positive change for the large number of people for whom it no longer feels like they’re walking along the edge of a motorway.

sheff_

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It greatly reduced it. Immediately. People would leave their trolleys over there as well, and that stopped.

You think it reduced it maybe because crossing the road became more difficult?

chalkitdown1

Who's bright idea was it to make the cycle lanes the same colour tarmac as the road? These things are just begging for someone to accidentally drive up on them, particularly at night time. In fact I'd be surprised if it hasn't already happened as they've got cones blocking them now to prevent anyone from using them. They did the same on Skehard Road and it's just as dumb there. Coming from the Mahon link road turning left onto Skehard you could very easily mount the cycle path there as you'd be naturally hugging the left side as you turn. I've almost done it once or twice myself.

Paint them red or something, lads.

TheChizler

If they can't see those fresh white lines maybe they shouldn't be driving...

Richmond Ultra

chalkitdown1 wrote: »

Who's bright idea was it to make the cycle lanes the same colour tarmac as the road? These things are just begging for someone to accidentally drive up on them, particularly at night time. In fact I'd be surprised if it hasn't already happened as they've got cones blocking them now to prevent anyone from using them. They did the same on Skehard Road and it's just as dumb there. Coming from the Mahon link road turning left onto Skehard you could very easily mount the cycle path there as you'd be naturally hugging the left side as you turn. I've almost done it once or twice myself.

Paint them red or something, lads.

Somebody should have put a few cats eyes/ yellow paint there so as to mark it when they were doing the construction. Any day now somebody is going to mount that with a car and possibly hit something. People have done it on Washington Street which has a clear divide, the part after the bus stop going towards Sarsfield road doesn't so that is where I expect to see an accident. I hope I'm wrong.

chalkitdown1

TheChizler wrote: »

If they can't see those fresh white lines maybe they shouldn't be driving...

For the longest time there were no white lines on Skehard, it was just the road suddenly morphing into a bike lane right in front of you as you came around the corner.

There still aren't painted lines in Wilton, though as I said, there are cones blocking it off right now. How difficult can it be to paint some lines especially considering the rest of the road has them? Really odd.

j8wk2feszrnpao

TheChizler wrote: »

If they can't see those fresh white lines maybe they shouldn't be driving...

So remove all cats eyes or alternative colour lining from all lined roads?
It's an added safety feature, esp as there are some people who are driving that should't.

TheChizler

munstermagic11 wrote: »

So remove all cats eyes or alternative colour lining from all lined roads?
It's an added safety feature, esp as there are some people who are driving that should't.

No.

EdgeCase

The bigger issues around that area are actually the hill on the other side where the driving test centre is.

Ironically, it has some of the worst road markings and worst maintained signage and traffic lights anywhere in Cork City.

j8wk2feszrnpao

TheChizler wrote: »

No.

Ok, so your post had no value.

AugustusMinimus

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Ok, so your post had no value.

If there isn’t a sign indicating cycle lane near bye, there’s no way to tell if it’s a cycle lane or parking. It’s a mess.

TheChizler

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Ok, so your post had no value.

Me saying a driver should be capable of seeing a line/kerb is not the same as saying that we should remove all safety features from the roads. I would think that posts putting words in peoples mouths aren't of much value either.

Diabhalta

after 4-5 weeks... manhole covers already sinking..

Diabhalta

these lights outside ESB, constantly red. No cars pulling out of ESB and no pedestrians crossing the road. Just a bunch of cars waiting for no reason whatsoever.

Diabhalta

they supposed to resurface it all the way to the roundabout. And paint a new pair of arrows. This is not what it supposed to look like.

j8wk2feszrnpao

TheChizler wrote: »

Me saying a driver should be capable of seeing a line/kerb is not the same as saying that we should remove all safety features from the roads. I would think that posts putting words in peoples mouths aren't of much value either.

I didn't say removing all safety features.... speaking of putting words in mouth and non value posts.

TheChizler

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I didn't say removing all safety features.... speaking of putting words in mouth and non value posts.

Well just the ones you said then Mr.

Can we stop this petty quarreling? You clearly took me up wrong.

j8wk2feszrnpao

TheChizler wrote: »

Well just the ones you said then Mr.

I didn't put words into your mouth, I asked you a question, hence the use of "?".
And I didn't say anything towards removing all safety features.
So just the one for you actually.

TheChizler wrote: »

Can we stop this petty quarreling? You clearly took me up wrong.

You replied with a "no". Great elaboration and clarity on your point.
"If they can't see those fresh white lines maybe they shouldn't be driving...". The poster didn't say they couldn't see them, but to clearly identify them as cycle lanes. Not sure what the issue is with doing that.

Diabhalta

TheChizler

The lanes are both raised off the kerb and too small to fit a car, if we're thinking of the same ones. Maybe extra markings, which I haven't said we should get rid of at all, would help avoid this situation (which has only been speculated will happen) but my point still stands independently of that.