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New Football Rules

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭✭RMAOK


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Ten minutes into the O'Byrne Cup Final.

    One score.

    Referee has twice missed handpass rule being broken, one by each side.

    No sign that the massed defence has been in any way discommoded by the new rules.

    Much more difficult for the attacking team.

    Time to end the madness of the rule.

    The kick after the 3rd or 4th hand pass is usually backwards - so much for trying to entice attacking play :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,440 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    RMAOK wrote: »
    The kick after the 3rd or 4th hand pass is usually backwards - so much for trying to entice attacking play :rolleyes:


    Noticed that quite a few times, attacking player turned back rather than risk a turnover.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Only seen the two Dublin games. What is noticeable is that first half seems to be open with a lot of movement and kick passing but slows noticeably in second half. Much easier to defend a lead when defence just has to wait for opposition to run into dead end.


    Will be interesting to see how league goes given the higher stakes and counties fielding teams closer to those that will see the championship. I suspect some like Dublin will not put a lot of effort into it given that new rules will not apply in Summer and hopefully never again after April.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭EICVD


    My opinion on the new rules, they’re shoite!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭✭RMAOK


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Will be interesting to see how league goes given the higher stakes and counties fielding teams closer to those that will see the championship. I suspect some like Dublin will not put a lot of effort into it given that new rules will not apply in Summer and hopefully never again after April.

    Isn't there a meeting about them tomorrow night? This weekend might be the last time these news rules will be used (for now anyways).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    RMAOK wrote: »
    Isn't there a meeting about them tomorrow night? This weekend might be the last time these news rules will be used (for now anyways).

    Yep. All the rules being voted on tomorrow plus the Donegal motion I believe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    RMAOK wrote: »
    Isn't there a meeting about them tomorrow night? This weekend might be the last time these news rules will be used (for now anyways).


    Touch wood!

    I assumed they were going to use them for league regardless of how pre-season went?

    Hopefully, the evidence so far will mean a decision not to proceed any further. The only change I would see any positive in would be sin bin. Rest are all negative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Just heard the hand pass rule is gone for the league.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭✭RMAOK


    seligehgit wrote: »
    Just heard the hand pass rule is gone for the league.

    That's good news imo - it inspired backwards kicking and also a lot of confusion on the part of the players and the officials.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Confirmation here.

    https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/central-council-decide-not-to-continue-with-hand-pass-rule/

    Can't find a link but my mate told me the vote was very close on the hand pass rule.

    25 delegates as opposed to 23 delegates voted in favour of it's abolition.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    seligehgit wrote: »
    Confirmation here.

    https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/central-council-decide-not-to-continue-with-hand-pass-rule/

    Can't find a link but my mate told me the vote was very close on the hand pass rule.

    25 delegates as opposed to 23 delegates voted in favour of it's abolition.

    I read somewhere yesterday that 90% of the players wanted the hand pass rule scrapped but of course theses decisions aren't made by those that play the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    I read somewhere yesterday that 90% of the players wanted the hand pass rule scrapped but of course theses decisions aren't made by those that play the game.


    Only saw one person quoted out of quite a long list of players and managers who supported the hand pass rule.

    But of course the Kom-eye-tea men know best :)


    Offensive mark looks a bit stupid to me. Was one last night and the Westmeath player who got it would most likely have scored anyway, or maybe even laid off for a goal. It is one of things that makes Aussie rules a borefest so what is the point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Only saw one person quoted out of quite a long list of players and managers who supported the hand pass rule.

    But of course the Kom-eye-tea men know best :)


    Offensive mark looks a bit stupid to me. Was one last night and the Westmeath player who got it would most likely have scored anyway, or maybe even laid off for a goal. It is one of things that makes Aussie rules a borefest so what is the point?

    The argument could be made that the pre season leagues is too small a sample size for the new rules and that extending them into the NFL would give a better view of how they work

    I am against the hand-pass rule and the offensive mark (if it is a case that the player that wins the mark cannot immediately play on) but I think the introduction of new rules needs to be better co-ordinated that these are

    Maybe make them compulsory for a full under-age season (u-17, u-120), commit to them for the full year and then see how they work or don't work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    The argument could be made that the pre season leagues is too small a sample size for the new rules and that extending them into the NFL would give a better view of how they work

    I am against the hand-pass rule and the offensive mark (if it is a case that the player that wins the mark cannot immediately play on) but I think the introduction of new rules needs to be better co-ordinated that these are

    Maybe make them compulsory for a full under-age season (u-17, u-120), commit to them for the full year and then see how they work or don't work.


    Last night the ref missed several breaches of hand pass rule on both sides. I just can't see how it would even have been enforced apart altogether from its negative impact on play. Imagine the furore if ref missed an over carry in a big game that led to a score! How are they supposed to rectify it without turning game into a farce?


    Anyway, it is gone and only pity is it took any sort of inter county trial to confirm what 95% thought from the start. Everyone other than the panel and some of those who appointed them it seems!

    Sin bin is worth a try as means to better penalise cynical play, and it doesn't negatively impact on how the game is actually played; will be a positive even.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,130 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    I will keep watching the hurling then. Football is now unwatchable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    ebbsy wrote: »
    I will keep watching the hurling then. Football is now unwatchable.

    Unfortunately the hand pass rule was unworkable but I sympathise with David Hassan and the committee's efforts to find a solution to the dearth of the foot pass in gaelic football.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    ebbsy wrote: »
    I will keep watching the hurling then. Football is now unwatchable.

    They might stop lads throwing the sliotar in hurling too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭✭RMAOK


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    They might stop lads throwing the sliotar in hurling too

    That is endemic in hurling too, tbf. It's done at such speed that referees can't see it 90% of the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,751 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Might aswell get rid of the offensive mark while they are at it. Its pointless now no one will dare kick it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Davys Fits


    RMAOK wrote: »
    That is endemic in hurling too, tbf. It's done at such speed that referees can't see it 90% of the time.

    You mean its done at such speed that its hard to tell if its a throw or not. The ratio of handpasses to stick passes in hurling is nothing like the ratio hand pass to kick in football. The problem is not so much the execution but the quantity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,010 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    RMAOK wrote: »
    That's good news imo - it inspired backwards kicking and also a lot of confusion on the part of the players and the officials.

    Why not ban backwards kicking then??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭✭RMAOK


    Davys Fits wrote: »
    You mean its done at such speed that its hard to tell if its a throw or not. The ratio of handpasses to stick passes in hurling is nothing like the ratio hand pass to kick in football. The problem is not so much the execution but the quantity.

    Yeah, fair enough. You phrased it better than I did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Why not ban backwards kicking then??

    Because like the hand pass rule it encourages packed defence on the part of mediocre/bad teams who just have to sit back and swallow up the team that is actually trying to play the game!

    Why don't they limit the number of defenders allowed inside their own 40?

    Not that I am advocating that but fact that was not even considered shows where this panel was coming from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭✭RMAOK


    Why not ban backwards kicking then??

    Well, it doesn't look good when a team is on the attack and suddenly remember that they have to kick the ball so they decide to kick the ball backwards this giving the defending team more time to have a massed defense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Good jesus! Another dreadful rendition of Amhrán na bhFiann.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Right good game between Tyrone Armagh on tg4 tonight. 12 points each.

    Have not watched a game under the handpass rule. It's not as bad as I was suspecting. Would have kept on to it for the league.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    shockframe wrote: »
    Right good game between Tyrone Armagh on tg4 tonight. 12 points each.

    Have not watched a game under the handpass rule. It's not as bad as I was suspecting. Would have kept on to it for the league.

    Don't think they were applying it tonight?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭The Assistinator


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Don't think they were applying it tonight?

    I hope not cause if they were it was the worst bit of refereeing I ever witnessed.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Only saw one person quoted out of quite a long list of players and managers who supported the hand pass rule.

    But of course the Kom-eye-tea men know best :)


    Offensive mark looks a bit stupid to me. Was one last night and the Westmeath player who got it would most likely have scored anyway, or maybe even laid off for a goal. It is one of things that makes Aussie rules a borefest so what is the point?

    Offensive mark is a terrible rule. You want to see the player take on the score from play or take on his man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Don't think they were applying it tonight?

    Ah I thought they were until the end of all pre season competitions.

    Makes more sense if the hand pass rule wasn't been implemented as I thought in excess of four hand passes were strung together on occasion under the watchful eye of Joe McQuillan.

    Enjoyable contest.

    I thought we were headed for more penalties.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Don't think they were applying it tonight?


    Looked like they were. There was a lot of kick passes from around the midfield area and players tended to kick after 3 handpasses.

    Again haven't watched a game under the new rules but it looked like it didn't harm the game.

    You may be right all the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    I only saw first half and there were several pieces of play that had 4 or more hand passes.


    Poor old "Tyrone Joe" was probably confused :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭manutd


    [font=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Following decision made at Central Council, and in agreement with the two counties, Croke Park and the @ConnachtGAA, Ulster GAA have agreed that only the four approved new rules will be used in tonight's @BankofIrelandUK Dr McKenna Cup final. The handpass rule will not be used[/font]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Good jesus! Another dreadful rendition of Amhrán na bhFiann.


    What is it about having teenage girls singing slow renditions of Amhrán na bhFiann in a crowd mostly made up of middle aged men?
    Mind you the 11000+ crowd of shows why the Ulster council might like a return to an era of close games between Armagh and Tyrone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Davys Fits wrote: »
    You mean its done at such speed that its hard to tell if its a throw or not. The ratio of handpasses to stick passes in hurling is nothing like the ratio hand pass to kick in football. The problem is not so much the execution but the quantity.

    If the ball doesn't leave your hand, it's a throw. No.amount of wrist flicking or follow through with the hand makes it a legal pass

    Watch some hurling games. defenders routinely put 3/4 handpasses together to work the ball into space.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    What is it about having teenage girls singing slow renditions of Amhrán na bhFiann in a crowd mostly made up of middle aged men?
    Mind you the 11000+ crowd of shows why the Ulster council might like a return to an era of close games between Armagh and Tyrone.

    Great crowds for some of the traditional rivals: Mayo/Galway, Dubs/Meath and last night. Bigger than most league attendances so there is definitely still an interest in the pre season.

    As for the anthem! Bare minimum should be that the singer knows the words! Last might was another example of someone using a bad phonetic version in which mispronunciations become different words altogether :)


    Is náireach é!


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