Council neighbours causing problems

sexmag

Hi I'm looking for advice so please help.

We live in a fairly nice estate for about 10 years, we moved in and found out our neighbours are council/social housing. Not an issue and to be fair most things were pretty amicable.

However in the last year things have deteriorated and I won't go into detail bar our current problem.

They have a dog,previously it was at the end of their garden and in all honesty this wasn't an issue, we love animals and have our own pets(not outside) but they have recently moved it too the side of their house which Is between us,the dog has no stopped barking,it barks at delivery drivers,post men,kids etc.

This isn't even a problem however until our our toddler is going to bed,the dog has her terrified of sleep, she has a panic attack being put to bed,if we try to leave etc,eventually when we get her asleep and the dog barks she's awoken and basically falls down the stairs in fear trying to find us.

We've broached the neighbours about this but unfortunately their attitude is their dog their rules and they want it there no matter what.

Now why I say this is because of their situation, their family dynamic us to be 2 adults and 4 kids in a council house, it is now 2 adults, 2 kids,2 adult kids with income and 1 with a child. The father also does nixers every week etc

I know they havent informed the council of the change in their situation as they never did before of their circumstances and I would doubt the would now.

As someone who broached them decently to resolve an issue,would I be wrong to report the fact that 4 adults live in a house on social housing with multiple incomes?

Any advice pro/con is appreciated

dudara

Moving to A&P, as I think it’s a bit better suited there than PI.

With regard to the continuously barking dog, you could contact the local dog warden.

Sleeper12

sexmag wrote:

As someone who broached them decently to resolve an issue,would I be wrong to report the fact that 4 adults live in a house on social housing with multiple incomes?

I can't see this helping your issue with the dog tbh. It might make things worse.

Allinall

Stopped reading after the thread title.

How snobbish.

So your neighbors dog is barking & you want to report them to social welfare & council housing section?
I don't see what their circumstances as regards working/not working etc has to do with a dog barking?

Just address the issue, you can report noise to the environmental section of the local council if I remember correctly.
Maybe ask the dog warden.

Samuel T. Cogley

Dogs are a feckin' nightmare. Personally I'd see the licence be much stricter but then I digress. Your only recourse is through the District Court. The DC may make an order telling them to control the animal which I'm sure isn't getting walked. It may be enough to get them to cop on. Constant calls to the council would be my other way of dealing with it and I mean find someone and deal with them daily, show up at the coucil offices/department and basically become the bain, polite bain, but bain nonetheless of someone's life.

One thing to check though is they don't have likeminded friends on the estate, if they do your life could be made a living hell.

irishgeo

Court is an option for a barking dog.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/animal_welfare_and_control/control_of_dogs.html

Samuel T. Cogley

bubblypop wrote: »

So your neighbors dog is barking & you want to report them to social welfare & council housing section?
I don't see what their circumstances as regards working/not working etc has to do with a dog barking?

Just address the issue, you can report noise to the environmental section of the local council if I remember correctly.
Maybe ask the dog warden.

Because if they're not working the feckers can take proper care of their animal at the absolutle least.

sexmag

Sorry just to advise, they had other dogs before, 1 died in their shed during the bad winter recently, I'm only saying because I've no issue with dogs but because we've tried every avenue and to maybe paint a better picture

Samuel T. Cogley

Allinall wrote: »

Stopped reading after the thread title.

How snobbish.

Frankly that's your own bias. OP is not being snobbish in the least. I live on a mixed estate and it's rarely the private owners that are home all day or cuaing issues with their 'pets'. Read animal they got and then got bored with 5 sdeconds after it stopped being a puppy.

OldMrBrennan83

If they won't play ball then I'd do whatever it took to.solve the problem. If getting them for something else is what it takes then so be it.

sexmag

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

.One thing to check though is they don't have likeminded friends on the estate, if they do your life could be made a living hell.

To be fair they are the only ones here but the dog is an issue and it's only constant when someone approaches, it's being a dog so we can't fault it but at night when our child's can't sleep until 12 and is woken constantly through out the night it's a problem, will the council even care?

Samuel T. Cogley

sexmag wrote: »

To be fair they are the only ones here but the dog is an issue and it's only constant when someone approaches, it's being a dog so we can't fault it but at night when our child's can't sleep until 12 and is woken constantly through out the night it's a problem, will the council even care?

You have to make them care. Report them for everything you can think of. Make sure you're also tackling it dirtectly by keeping a log and persuing them through the DC. It's a standard form, service instructions included and it won't cost much to get a court date. Perfectly possible to do it as a lay litigant. Luckily my background and who I work for got our local ****wit to cop on.

A higher risk strategy if you're sure you're not going to incur the wrath of people with time on their hands is explain in no uncertain terms that thery shut the dog up or you'll be reporting them for everything and hope it get's them to cop on.

ebbsy

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Grab All Association

I’ve never owned one but do those ultrasonic devices work? If they did the OP could get a cheap Lidl/Aldi outdoor waterproof socket box and keep the ultrasonic anti dog barking device plugged in 24/7.

sexmag

Thanks for all your advice.

My main question is though,am I wrong to report what I believe to be social welfare fraud?

If they are honest then there's nothing to worry about.

If not then well.....

Samuel T. Cogley

sexmag wrote: »

Thanks for all your advice.

My main question is though,am I wrong to report what I believe to be social welfare fraud?

If they are honest then there's nothing to worry about.

If not then well.....

You're always right to report suspect social walfare fraud. Frankly I'd use it a leverage if you're sure, but that's me. The proper thing to do is make a report regardless.

PirateShampoo

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

You're always right to report suspect social walfare fraud. Frankly I'd use it a leverage if you're sure, but that's me. The proper thing to do is make a report regardless.

Are you actually suggesting blackmail as a course of action?

Jimmy.

Expect this problem to get a lot worse op as the council are buying up properties in all sorts of housing estates. Sadly a lot of nice estates are becoming ghettos with people who do not want to work and can use the system that they don’t have to.
Sure don’t they get money to have a dog.

PirateShampoo

Jimmy. wrote: »

Expect this problem to get a lot worse op as the council are buying up properties in all sorts of housing estates. Sadly a lot of nice estates are becoming ghettos with people who do not want to work and can use the system that they don’t have to.
Sure don’t they get money to have a dog.

Yeah because all people on social housing own dogs and just want to wreck the gaff.

Sleeper12

sexmag wrote:

My main question is though,am I wrong to report what I believe to be social welfare fraud?

Definitely not wrong to support social welfare fraud. Your reasoning behind it is questionable though imo

sexmag

sexmag wrote: »

Thanks for all your advice.

My main question is though,am I wrong to report what I believe to be social welfare fraud?

If they are honest then there's nothing to worry about.

If not then well.....

Well, I think if you want to report welfare fraud, because you think it's wrong, then yes you should. Absolutely.
It appears you weren't so worried about welfare fraud until their dog was constantly barking. Which is a bit bad imo, but if you're happy with that then go for it.
Not sure the social welfare will sort out your barking dog problem though....

Jimmy.

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Yeah because all people on social housing own dogs and just want to wreck the gaff.

Sadly it’s the truth, we sub contract a lot of work from the council and believe me the state some tenants leave a house a bunch of pigs wouldn’t be as bad.

aaakev

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Are you actually suggesting blackmail as a course of action?

Leverage, not blackmail. If they are breaking the law thats their problem, not the OPs. Right now the dog is the OPs problem and if that conversation sorts the problem then happy days.

PirateShampoo

aaakev wrote: »

Leverage, not blackmail. If they are breaking the law thats their problem, not the OPs. Right now the dog is the OPs problem and if that conversation sorts the problem then happy days.

Your a right plonker if you think that conversation will sort out the dog problem. It will destroy any sort of relationship they have and will make the situation much much worse. You might quiten the dog but you'll have a neighbour who is going to be waiting to get you back.

aaakev

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Your a right plonker if you think that conversation will sort out the dog problem. It will destroy any sort of relationship they have and will make the situation much much worse. You might quiten the dog but you'll have a neighbour who is going to be waiting to get you back.

Does it sound to you like there is a relationship to destroy? He tried talking already and they didnt give a ****.

rawn

sexmag wrote:

This isn't even a problem however until our our toddler is going to bed,the dog has her terrified of sleep, she has a panic attack being put to bed,if we try to leave etc,eventually when we get her asleep and the dog barks she's awoken and basically falls down the stairs in fear trying to find us.

If I were you I'd focus on helping your daughter with her anxiety issues rather than trying to get your neighbours evicted.

sexmag

rawn wrote: »

If I were you I'd focus on helping your daughter with her anxiety issues rather than trying to get your neighbours evicted.

Trust me we tried, we've tried a tablet with white noise to try and drown out the sound but it's ineffective,my toddler still hears the dog and as soon as it barks give it 5 seconds and she's pounding down the the stairs to try and find us to concert her and she isn't afraid of dogs,her grandad has dogs,it's the noise of the dogs bark in the night

Gatling

Sounds almost fantastical ,

Crying baby

Barking dog

Dead dog

Council tenants over crowding and possible fraud

Jimmy.

Gatling wrote: »

Sounds almost fantastical ,

Crying baby

Barking dog

Dead dog

Council tenants over crowding and possible fraud

Eviction

Council employ contractor to sort property out

Me deal with dag shiit, wrecked property.

Samuel T. Cogley

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Because if they're not working the feckers can take proper care of their animal at the absolutle least.

But they are working, according to the op.
OP just presumes they haven't told council that they are.

StupidLikeAFox

If you are going to report them don't under any circumstances threaten them with that beforehand as leverage.

They sound like dicks so I would have no qualms about reporting it. At the same time, don't expect it to improve your situation. Dept of social protection will be interested but the council won't be in a hurry to evict them as they will still have to find them a new home

Also get a gate for the top of the stairs

juneg

They left an animal outside to freeze to death is the worst part of the story

Ginger83

OP contacting DSP could make life very difficult in the future. Even if fraud was proved these type of people dont care.

Get an anti-bark device.

Jimmy.

bubblypop wrote: »

But they are working, according to the op.
OP just presumes they haven't told council that they are.

Cash jobs and drawing

touts

sexmag wrote: »

Thanks for all your advice.

My main question is though,am I wrong to report what I believe to be social welfare fraud?

If they are honest then there's nothing to worry about.

If not then well.....

It's your civic duty to report them for welfare fraud. If they are guilty they are effectively stealing from the taxpayer. If they aren't then they have nothing to fear from an investigation. You should not let them know you are doing it. You can pass the information on to the authorities anonymously.

As to the dog there isn't much you can do. I've seen that situation in the past. You can get the ISPCA and Council and Dog Warden and Guards and at the end of a process taking months if not years nothing will be done. Often the dog will have matured and become less likely to bark before any of the officials get around to making a decision. There are supposed to be ultrasonic devices you can buy to stop dogs barking. I'm not sure how effective they are especially at long range but they might be your best bet as a stop gap while you wait to see if they get turfed out for welfare fraud.

Jimmy.

Surely these devices are cruel to animals? It’s not the dogs fault it’s barking. It is it’s owners who are molesting it.

Pero_Bueno

They sound like absolute scum those neighbours.
Best bet is to move out, these vermin know the law and will make life miserable, typical that the scum have 4 kids and don't work, people like that should just be sterilised when they are born.

Scum that gives nothing to society and only holds progress back.

The_Conductor

I'm actually surprised that no-one has mentioned a third party complaint to the RTB?
The Residential Tenancies Board is the normal body for hearing issues with neighbours who are renting.
The issues with their change in circumstances etc- is not relevant.
The dog with his/her incessant barking- is.
In addition- the local authority warden and housing officer- both need to be made aware of the issue too.

If you want to go down the road of focusing on them abusing the social welfare system- that is an entirely different kettle of fish- please don't confuse the two.

Lu Tze

Just for a change of tack in the responses, is it possible to switch the toddlers bedroom to another quieter room in the house, further away from the barking dog?

SirChenjin

sexmag wrote: »

Trust me we tried, we've tried a tablet with white noise to try and drown out the sound but it's ineffective,my toddler still hears the dog and as soon as it barks give it 5 seconds and she's pounding down the the stairs to try and find us to concert her and she isn't afraid of dogs,her grandad has dogs,it's the noise of the dogs bark in the night

Could you move the child into a different room where the barking might not be audible to her, with white noise etc also? Until such time as a solution is found to the barking.

It will probably take time to resolve the barking issue. I would try the dog warden approach.

power pants

sexmag wrote: »

Thanks for all your advice.

My main question is though,am I wrong to report what I believe to be social welfare fraud?

If they are honest then there's nothing to worry about.

If not then well.....

No, it is your duty. I despise these lazy cheating people. Pick up the phone and enjoy the moment

yosser hughes

Report them. Even if there was no dog issue, report them.

https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/secure/ReportFraud.aspx

frankythefish

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Sinus pain

sexmag wrote: »

Hi I'm looking for advice so please help.

We live in a fairly nice estate for about 10 years, we moved in and found out our neighbours are council/social housing. Not an issue and to be fair most things were pretty amicable.

However in the last year things have deteriorated and I won't go into detail bar our current problem.

They have a dog,previously it was at the end of their garden and in all honesty this wasn't an issue, we love animals and have our own pets(not outside) but they have recently moved it too the side of their house which Is between us,the dog has no stopped barking,it barks at delivery drivers,post men,kids etc.

This isn't even a problem however until our our toddler is going to bed,the dog has her terrified of sleep, she has a panic attack being put to bed,if we try to leave etc,eventually when we get her asleep and the dog barks she's awoken and basically falls down the stairs in fear trying to find us.

We've broached the neighbours about this but unfortunately their attitude is their dog their rules and they want it there no matter what.

Now why I say this is because of their situation, their family dynamic us to be 2 adults and 4 kids in a council house, it is now 2 adults, 2 kids,2 adult kids with income and 1 with a child. The father also does nixers every week etc

I know they havent informed the council of the change in their situation as they never did before of their circumstances and I would doubt the would now.

As someone who broached them decently to resolve an issue,would I be wrong to report the fact that 4 adults live in a house on social housing with multiple incomes?

Any advice pro/con is appreciated

Haven’t read any other answers so I don’t know if this has come up already but the council would definitely know the children are now adults and on the 18th birthday they increase the charge until the tenant rectifies it by either showing the child is still in education or produce payslips. I know that because I’m a council tenant and have 2 adult children. Also please don’t tar all council tenants with the one brush it’s very disheartening to read when most of us aren’t like the person the op is complaining about - we all work except for the one child in college and one in school.

the_syco

Grab All Association wrote: »

I’ve never owned one but do those ultrasonic devices work? If they did the OP could get a cheap Lidl/Aldi outdoor waterproof socket box and keep the ultrasonic anti dog barking device plugged in 24/7.

There's a good chance that it'll affect the child as well.

=-=

OP; don't talk to them, don't threaten them, just report any infraction you see, and see if it get's handled.

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Also get a gate for the top of the stairs

Although it should be a good idea, fear may make the kid try to get over it.

Moving the kid to another room, as has been suggested, may be a better idea.

Sardonicat

Why does your toddler have access to the stairs? Why do you not have a child gate in place to prevent her falling down the stairs?

If she's having a panic attack when she hears barking then this is the problem you need to address. That is not a normal, healthy reaction. Trying to drown the sound out with white noise is not
enough. You may need to consider professional intervention for her anxiety.

Oh, and BTW, working and living in a council house are not mutually exclusive. I don't know why you think they are.

Creamy Goodness

the_syco wrote: »

There's a good chance that it'll affect the child as well.

They affect me too. Shopping centre nearby has one and drive me nuts whilst my partner is blissfully unaware. We’re both in our 30’s.

Cuddlesworth

Lu Tze wrote: »

Just for a change of tack in the responses, is it possible to switch the toddlers bedroom to another quieter room in the house, further away from the barking dog?

I'm getting the impression from a lot of posters they have never lived beside a mistreated dog that barks all day and night.

That dog is probably pissing off his neighbours 3 and 4 doors down. The sharp loud noise at night will constantly wake any light sleeper within 100 meters in all directions.

I would put money on the fact that the dog was put into the side passage because the owners got pissed off with the barking coming directly through the back windows enough to wake them.

sexmag

Sardonicat wrote: »

Why does your toddler have access to the stairs? Why do you not have a child gate in place to prevent her falling down the stairs?

If she's having a panic attack when she hears barking then this is the problem you need to address. That is not a normal, healthy reaction. Trying to drown the sound out with white noise is not
enough. You may need to consider professional intervention for her anxiety.

Oh, and BTW, working and living in a council house are not mutually exclusive. I don't know why you think they are.

First off, i asked for pros and cons of a question, not critical responses regarding our parenting. If you see the forum is accomodation and property,not parenting

Secondly my toddler is quite capiable of managing the stairs herself and has been for a long time, however in instances where she is scared of the barking she hardly makes it to the stairs before my partner or i are there to comfort her.

Thirdly maybe panic attack is not what she is epxeriencing however she is terrified of the dog, as most toddlers are with one thing or another monsters under beds etc.

Fourthly, my question is regards the dynamic of the people working and claiming in the house which would not be delcared to the SW.

Thanks for your response:)

sexmag

I would like to thank everyone for their reponses, theyve helped give some guidance