Are psychopaths born or does a child's upbringing have a greater impact than genes?

Sassygirl1999

?http://uk.businessinsider.com/how-to-make-a-psychopath-2017-8

me I hink its 20/80 nature and nurture

verycool

This is a discussion forum, not a news dump.

What do you think?

Mr.Crinklewood

Born.(in the form of cats)

amcalester

Probably the fault of the patriarchy.

Sassygirl1999

I think its 20/80 nature and nurture, what do you think?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

My guess is born. There are some very psychotic infants out there before nurture has even gotten a chance to kick in.

Sassygirl1999

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

My guess is born. There are some very psychotic infants out there before nurture has even gotten a chance to kick in.

how can you discern between them? Dr zhivago

Jim Bob Scratcher

verycool wrote: »

This is a discussion forum, not a news dump.

What do you think?

What do you think?

riffmongous

A lot of the ones bad enough to become infamous had pretty fuked up childhoods so I'm gonna go with nurture playing a big role

GMSA

OP must be from Kerry. They have an awful tendency to answer a question by asking another.

wexie

GMSA wrote: »

OP must be from Kerry. They have an awful tendency to answer a question by asking another.

and to talk shite

Sardonicat

Born.

Same with Narcissists and Sociopaths. Which I think are just terms for different types of arse holes/ evil people.

It's as though they fail to evolve emotionally beyond a certain level and are stuck in an almost toddler like state of egocentrism. My family is a viper's den of them and questioning the older generation it seems they were prevalent on both sides two generations back also.

Glad I never had kids and brought more of these monsters into the world.

Sassygirl1999

GMSA wrote: »

OP must be from Kerry. They have an awful tendency to answer a question by asking another.

he's not the OP I am

Sassygirl1999

wexie wrote: »

and to talk shite

wexford still a sh1tehole?

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Sassygirl1999 wrote: »

I think its 20/80 nature and nurture, what do you think?

Discussion: Why do you think that? What's the basis for the old reliable 80/20 split? Is there no full stop and only a question mark on your keypad?

Sassygirl1999

Eleanor Crooked Optometrist wrote: »

Discussion: Why do you think that? What's the basis for the old reliable 80/20 split? Is there no full stop and only a question mark on your keypad?

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ImANoob08

I don't know from watching the show on Netflix about the creation of the behavioural analysis unit in the fbi (my apologies I can't think of the name.) They seem to think that their childhood has a massive impact on how the murders turned out.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Sassygirl1999 wrote: »

how can you discern between them? Dr zhivago

Childcare professionals can usually tell by observation, particularly how they interact with their peers. Some get on fine, and play well; some don't and are selfish and aggressive.

wexie

Sassygirl1999 wrote: »

wexford still a sh1tehole?

Some parts yes, good few empty bridges though, you should come down you'll feel right at home

Sassygirl1999

wexie wrote: »

Some parts yes, good few empty bridges though, you should come down you'll feel right at home

empty bridges make the most noise, its no wonder you feel at home there

Sassygirl1999

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Childcare professionals can usually tell by observation, particularly how they interact with their peers. Some get on fine, and play well; some don't and are selfish and aggressive.

autistic children are similar

mad muffin

I’d ask my parents but I ate them with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

Sassygirl1999

mad muffin wrote: »

I’d ask my parents but I ate them with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

father beans?

Sassygirl1999

verycool wrote: »

This is a discussion forum, not a news dump.

What do you think?

you clearly no nothing just sniping

foxy farmer

An old farm addage.
Breeding beats feeding.

If you wonder why people behave in certain ways just get to know the parents. You'll see where the traits came from.

Sassygirl1999

foxy farmer wrote: »

An old farm addage.
Breeding beats feeding.

If you wonder why people behave in certain ways just get to know the parents. You'll see where the traits came from.

some parents hide it well

screamer

With kids now being born with addiction to awful stuff like heroin well, if they're born there's more to it than genes these days.
Genetics have a huge impact on us I read once that adoptive children exhibit more of their biological parents traits than their adoptive parents the older they become. Scarily that held true even where the adopted children had never even met their biological parents....

verycool

Sassygirl1999 wrote: »

you clearly no nothing just sniping

:rolleyes:

ongarite

Interesting video on the difference between psychopath & sociopath
Consensus is that psychopath is born & sociopath is made (by upbringing, etc..)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dv8zJiggBs

Witcher

ImANoob08 wrote: »

I don't know from watching the show on Netflix about the creation of the behavioural analysis unit in the fbi (my apologies I can't think of the name.) They seem to think that their childhood has a massive impact on how the murders turned out.

Mindhunter

Sassygirl1999

verycool wrote: »

:rolleyes:

dullardry

Capt'n Midnight

Nature or nature ?

Either way it's the parents fault.


People can change , but most don't so perhaps a culling in the last year of primary ?

Sassygirl1999

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Nature or nature ?

Either way it's the parents fault.


People can change , but most don't so perhaps a culling in the last year of primary ?

fault can only be apportioned by assessing intention, in an adopted child's case, the biological parents can't be blamed if the child was given up at birth

verycool

Sassygirl1999 wrote: »

dullardry

Whoa, ease up on the personal attacks there. Sassy by name eh?



I was only helping you with your grammar!


Also, there's a great documentary about this... I think it was called Trading Places... might be a bit before your time.

Sassygirl1999

verycool wrote: »

Whoa, ease up on the personal attacks there. Sassy by name eh?



I was only helping you with your grammar!


Also, there's a great documentary about this... I think it was called Trading Places... might be a bit before your time.

you are no Eddie Murphy

ZX7R

Sassygirl1999 wrote: »

fault can only be apportioned by assessing intention, in an adopted child's case, the biological parents can't be blamed if the child was given up at birth

The said child finds out its adopted,flips out due to abandonment issues decides to kill touture ect
Birth Parents to be blamed

Sassygirl1999

ZX7R wrote: »

The said child finds out its adopted,flips out due to abandonment issues decides to kill touture ect
Birth Parents to be blamed

wouldn't stand up to any scrutiny, adopted parents should have assesed situation properly before divulging

Owl.

Jon Ronson wrote an excellent book on this subject called The Psychopath Test. Well worth a read but all of Ronson's stuff is great.

ZX7R

Sassygirl1999 wrote: »

wouldn't stand up to any scrutiny, adopted parents should have assesed situation properly before divulging

I said child found out not told.

Sassygirl1999

Owl. wrote: »

Jon Ronson wrote an excellent book on this subject called The Psychopath Test. Well worth a read but all of Ronson's stuff is great.

yes I agree, his test is only a guage though and many people who are no psychos fail this test but all research is useful

Sassygirl1999

ZX7R wrote: »

I said child found out not told.

how did the child find out? Was it written in blood on his wall? All relative

Capt'n Midnight

Sassygirl1999 wrote: »

the biological parents can't be blamed if the child was given up at birth

Is that your final answer ?

Sassygirl1999

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Is that your final answer ?

👍

wakka12

Are you talking about violent psychopaths?
I used to watch loads of documentaries about serial killers when I was younger and honestly it would stand out if the serial wasnt sexually/physically abused or neglected by their parent or guardian as a child

So given the above upbringing is relatively rare and how prevalent it is in history of violent psychopaths there just has to be strong links

ZX7R

Sassygirl1999 wrote: »

how did the child find out? Was it written in blood on his wall? All relative

Who knows it's a hypothetical question, like the original posters questions , born as a sico or created.
Personally I believe we are all born with it. It's part of the reasons we succeed as race ,I believe it's hard wired into us as a primeval survival instinct , but as we evolved it wasn't needed and something just triggers it, complected birth, nurturing or genetics or environmental affects,may be a trigger or maybe all combined

Sassygirl1999

ZX7R wrote: »

Who knows it's a hypothetical question, like the original posters questions , born as a sico or created.
Personally I believe we are all born with it. It's part of the reasons we succeed as race ,I believe it's hard wired into us as a primeval survival instinct , but as we evolved it wasn't needed and something just triggers it, complected birth, nurturing or genetics or environmental affects,may be a trigger or maybe all combined

born with what exactly?

Mrs OBumble

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

My guess is born. There are some very psychotic infants out there before nurture has even gotten a chance to kick in.

Nurture starts at conception. Nine months inside psycho-mam exposed to her tantrums, drugs and alcohol is a good whack of it.

ZX7R

Sassygirl1999 wrote: »

born with what exactly?

Pyschopaythic trait's and or tendencies hard wired into our brains and all it takes is something to turn on the switch

ceadaoin.

ZX7R wrote: »

Pyschopaythic trait's and or tendencies hard wired into our brains and all it takes is something to turn on the switch

I think this too. There are many psychopaths out there who lead successful lives and don't commit acts of violence. In fact having sociopathic traits are said to be good for getting ahead in business. The ones that turned out to be serial killers etc usually had pretty ****ed up childhoods. For them it was the perfect storm of nature and nurture which pushed them into offending.

Sassygirl1999

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I think this too. There are many psychopaths out there who lead successful lives and don't commit acts of violence. In fact having sociopathic traits are said to be good for getting ahead in business. The ones that turned out to be serial killers etc usually had pretty ****ed up childhoods. For them it was the perfect storm of nature and nurture which pushed them into offending.

well obviously but thats because they were nurtured well isn't it? The 80/20 rule

Sassygirl1999

ZX7R wrote: »

Pyschopaythic trait's and or tendencies hard wired into our brains and all it takes is something to turn on the switch

I'd say a small percentage only