New car?

northknife

Thinking of getting a new SsangYong Tivoli XLV.
Price is €25k with trade in and will be putting down 10-12k.
Spec is really high and car is nice to drive but just not the best to look at. I really don't mind the looks part.

Will be doing high enough mileage probably 20-25k miles
Anyone here on the forum have any opinions that might sway me to yes or no?

At close to the height of budget and will be paying €250/ month for 5 years.
Am I mad?

colm_mcm

Yes. When you factor in resale value, it will cost you more than other cars.
A used Kia Soul would be a better quality car with a better warranty and dealer network.

It’s the same height as the Tivoli, it’s a little wider and only 5cm shorter.

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/kia/soul/used-2018-181-kia-soul-1-6-ex-dsl-dr-dublin-fpa-5623355759528428325

181 Seat Ateca
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/seat/ateca/used-2018-181-seat-ateca-1-6tdi-115hp-cork-fpa-201809040133005?SOURCE_ID=SOURCE_ID_FPA_FROM_FEAT_LIST

Shefwedfan

Nuts

Maybe give some details on your mileage, what sort of journeys are you doing etc etc

Why a crossover? etc etc...

NIMAN

When buying any car I would always think "will this car sell again in X number of years"?

Would it be desirable to prospective buyers?
Even things like colour can be important factors.

Its not a well reviewed car, and the brand isn't that desirable, so you may struggle to sell it on in the future.

Just things to bear in mind.

northknife

Would be keeping car for 8-10 years so resale value wouldn't be much I don't think no matter what car I had.


Only reason for crossover/SUV is just handiness with kids rather than estate or hatch.


Probably doing 20-25k miles a year so roughly 250k miles by time I go for resale or different car

colm_mcm

I really wouldn’t. It’s not even that cheap.

northknife

One thing that caught my eye with this car was the 5 year unlimited mileage warranty and roadside assist.


I mean what could go wrong


By the way, I'm not a SsangYong dealer


Any car that I do end up buying wont be worth much by the time I put up 20-25k miles a year for 8 to 10 years

colm_mcm

I guarantee you you won’t keep it that long.

northknife

colm_mcm wrote: »

I guarantee you you won’t keep it that long.

Just wondering have you had any experience of them.
I have read that the reason they have a bad review history is because of older versions of the make were really poor but that they have upped their game in recent years.


Have seen a couple of average reviews and then one from Top Gear which was a good review. If I hadn't seen that review I probably would have already decided.


Just in a pickle as to what to do. Last car I bought was also new during the scrappage and have nearly 300k km up.

James Bond Junior

northknife wrote: »

One thing that caught my eye with this car was the 5 year unlimited mileage warranty and roadside assist.


I mean what could go wrong


By the way, I'm not a SsangYong dealer


Any car that I do end up buying wont be worth much by the time I put up 20-25k miles a year for 8 to 10 years

I don't know much about them but could you bank on them reliably reaching that kind of mileage?

Also are mechanics working on the car going to be able to reliably get pattern or spurious parts easily or will they be dealer only? This could be a very expensive cost down the road.

Can I suggest a seat Leon estate? I looked at one at the weekend and they were offering €4000 scrappage, 0% finance and with 3k up front a monthly payment of 299 and balloon of €8400. This was for a FR model which had EVERYTHING.

colm_mcm

I know every car they’ve released in the Irish market, all have been sales failures and a lot have mechanical issues compounded by a weak dealer network and a shortage of used spare parts and mechanics willing to wirk on them.
I’ve not driven them all, and I’ve only sat in a Tivoli. It’s probably their best car to date, but everything that’s gone before it has been comically bad so it’s a low base point.

I would question Ssangyongs future in Ireland, they’re doing well enough in Korea and Russia, but sales in Europe are tiny.

Glen_Quagmire

James Bond Junior wrote:

Can I suggest a seat Leon estate? I looked at one at the weekend and they were offering €4000 scrappage, 0% finance and with 3k up front a monthly payment of 299 and balloon of €8400. This was for a FR model which had EVERYTHING.

Who was this with?

Shefwedfan

northknife wrote: »

Would be keeping car for 8-10 years so resale value wouldn't be much I don't think no matter what car I had.


Only reason for crossover/SUV is just handiness with kids rather than estate or hatch.


Probably doing 20-25k miles a year so roughly 250k miles by time I go for resale or different car

If your keeping or planning to keep that long it might be worth considering which fuel is best

The overall mileage you do is not really a good guide, more what sort of mileage you do, lots of short journeys or all long distance motorway?

I would guess the crossover is diesel? Would petrol or hybrid be a better option

TheBoyConor

Well firstly buying new is always a bad idea because you are being fleeced no matter what you buy when depreciation is taking into account.
If you are buying new the only way I think you can get your full money is worth his to keep the car for as long as physically possible and basically drive it into the ground. at least then you're not taking massive hits with depreciation every time you do a trade-in and you can write the cost of the car off or it's for the useful life which might be 15 years or so.

Personally I would never go near a new car. My strategy is to find a car that has a very good reputation for reliability and buy an oldish one in good nick but of minimal value and drive it until is knackered. with it being worth so little even if it does turn out to be a lemon and break down I've only lost a couple of hundred. At the moment I'm driving an Almera that I paid 900 for and I've had 4 years of trouble free driving so far.

northknife

Mostly long journeys, doing 75km e/w daily and then weekend driving which pushes it up over 40k km per year.


Don't think I have the budget yet for hybrid in a SUV. Not snobbish I don't think, just prefer the SUV for the young children. Have to listen to the missus as well and she doesn't want an estate as for some reason she doesn't like them.


My idea at beginning was to use what is now deposit and get good 141 Octavia or similar, but was sort of persuaded to look at new with SUV in mind.

Shefwedfan

northknife wrote: »

Mostly long journeys, doing 75km e/w daily and then weekend driving which pushes it up over 40k km per year.


Don't think I have the budget yet for hybrid in a SUV. Not snobbish I don't think, just prefer the SUV for the young children. Have to listen to the missus as well and she doesn't want an estate as for some reason she doesn't like them.


My idea at beginning was to use what is now deposit and get good 141 Octavia or similar, but was sort of persuaded to look at new with SUV in mind.

What you are looking at are crossover....not SUV

If long journey then diesel is good but beware if keeping for a long time expect an extra 10 cent per litre over the coming years

Tiguan are lovely and hold value....ford kuga are selling cheap, like unreal cheap new so you might get deal

If hybrid you could go PHEV and outlander, does around 30-40km on battery. Proper suv....would get one from 20k up

colm_mcm

Shefwedfan:

Say you were doing 75km each way like the OP is, and supposing they can charge at the destination every day and overnight at home, how much does the other 45km*2 cost?

Or what would a 75km trip cost?

I think you have one of these so will have done the sums?

James Bond Junior

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

Who was this with?

James Barry SEAT in Limerick.

Casati

James Bond Junior wrote: »

I don't know much about them but could you bank on them reliably reaching that kind of mileage?

Also are mechanics working on the car going to be able to reliably get pattern or spurious parts easily or will they be dealer only? This could be a very expensive cost down the road.

Can I suggest a seat Leon estate? I looked at one at the weekend and they were offering €4000 scrappage, 0% finance and with 3k up front a monthly payment of 299 and balloon of €8400. This was for a FR model which had EVERYTHING.

That is some deal, total price including finance over three years of 22,164.

Are you sure your numbers are right as I thought the FR estate started on the road circa 30k? What engine is it?

The Leon is a great car, v nice to drive compared to most others in the class and the estate will have a bigger boot than most if not all mpv’s in that class

Shefwedfan

colm_mcm wrote: »

Shefwedfan:

Say you were doing 75km each way like the OP is, and supposing they can charge at the destination every day and overnight at home, how much does the other 45km*2 cost?

Or what would a 75km trip cost?

I think you have one of these so will have done the sums?

I don't have Outlander. I am thinking about buying one to replace a Galaxy


I done 22k km's in Galaxy last year and majority of those trips are 15-30km(school runs, shops etc). That is why I always say you need to check your trips not the total distance.


Once it goes off full battery mode it goes into hybrid mode anyway, like the current Toyotas which are flying out the door. So you will still be in and around diesel MPG....depending on driving style


It is an option.



They are a proper SUV, can pull a trailer. Huge boot. High spec and you can get cheap from UK, just look for the lower mileage ones. Most of the crossovers you will just about fit a buggy in and no more

_Brian

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I don't have Outlander. I am thinking about buying one to replace a Galaxy


I done 22k km's in Galaxy last year and majority of those trips are 15-30km(school runs, shops etc). That is why I always say you need to check your trips not the total distance.


Once it goes off full battery mode it goes into hybrid mode anyway, like the current Toyotas which are flying out the door. So you will still be in and around diesel MPG....depending on driving style


It is an option.



They are a proper SUV, can pull a trailer. Huge boot. High spec and you can get cheap from UK, just look for the lower mileage ones. Most of the crossovers you will just about fit a buggy in and no more

Reviews I’ve read of the outlander was that once out of battery it was essentially a 2.0 petrol and did about 30-35mpg on long journey much less if your doing short hops with no battery.

Sgt Pepper 64

northknife wrote: »

Thinking of getting a new SsangYong Tivoli XLV.
Price is €25k with trade in and will be putting down 10-12k.
Spec is really high and car is nice to drive but just not the best to look at. I really don't mind the looks part.

Will be doing high enough mileage probably 20-25k miles
Anyone here on the forum have any opinions that might sway me to yes or no?

At close to the height of budget and will be paying €250/ month for 5 years.
Am I mad?

yes, as soon as you get the keys you've lost 5k, only buy new if you have money to burn

Shefwedfan

_Brian wrote: »

Reviews I’ve read of the outlander was that once out of battery it was essentially a 2.0 petrol and did about 30-35mpg on long journey much less if your doing short hops with no battery.

I am going by reviews of owners....

James Bond Junior

Casati wrote: »

That is some deal, total price including finance over three years of 22,164.

Are you sure your numbers are right as I thought the FR estate started on the road circa 30k? What engine is it?

The Leon is a great car, v nice to drive compared to most others in the class and the estate will have a bigger boot than most if not all mpv’s in that class

It was an Ex management car so a 181.

Casati

James Bond Junior wrote: »

It was an Ex management car so a 181.

That would be much better car versus buying a Tivioli!

Avatar MIA

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

yes, as soon as you get the keys you've lost 5k, only buy new if you have money to burn

How do you know, who sells a car just after getting the keys?

NSAman

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

yes, as soon as you get the keys you've lost 5k, only buy new if you have money to burn

Oh I dunno. Was looking at three cars recently, settled on the Range Rover Sport SVU. The Porsche Cayenne was nice but too many buttons and a little smaller, the BMW was just too dated at this stage.

Still with road tax here at $125 a year, its not costing that much..;)

colm_mcm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

How do you know, who sells a car just after getting the keys?

Ssanygong drivers.

northknife

Gonna have a look at a Kadjar this evening so we'll see how that goes

James Bond Junior

Take a peep at the SEAT ateca too. Again they are doing 0% and 4k scrappage. I would imagine the same goes for the VW tiguan and the Skoda kodiaq and Karoq but you may need more monies.

Shefwedfan

northknife wrote: »

Gonna have a look at a Kadjar this evening so we'll see how that goes

Good car, based on Qashqai. Or is the Qashqai with a Renault badge



I have a Qashqai for 4 years and it was perfect. The battery was a bit dodgy which was strange as I bought brand new, Nissan seem to have a issue with batteries. I would still have but it just got too small. The boot is tiny on them is planning kids



If buying new then hopefully will get a good deal as a new model out in 2019. Just keep that in back of mind, garages will be looking to get rid of any stock they have before the new one comes in.

bazz26

Kadjar is getting a mid life tweak before the end of the year. This will include a new or tweaked range of engines. It's also getting a new centre console infotainment system to replace the existing ipad inspired one.

AMKC

northknife wrote: »

Gonna have a look at a Kadjar this evening so we'll see how that goes

The new Dacia Duster has just gone on sale and looks quite nice. Its all new. They hold there value quite good too. Well worth checking out.

bazz26 wrote: »

Kadjar is getting a mid life tweak before the end of the year. This will include a new or tweaked range of engines. It's also getting a new centre console infotainment system to replace the existing ipad inspired one.

Is that not out already?

bazz26

No idea to be honest.

Shefwedfan

AMKC wrote: »

Is that not out already?

Out in 2019


https://www.topgear.com/car-news/paris-motor-show/behold-new-slightly-different-renault-kadjar

northknife

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Good car, based on Qashqai. Or is the Qashqai with a Renault badge



I have a Qashqai for 4 years and it was perfect. The battery was a bit dodgy which was strange as I bought brand new, Nissan seem to have a issue with batteries. I would still have but it just got too small. The boot is tiny on them is planning kids



If buying new then hopefully will get a good deal as a new model out in 2019. Just keep that in back of mind, garages will be looking to get rid of any stock they have before the new one comes in.

Had a Qashqai a few years ago and gave us nothing but trouble.
Ended up looking at a Koleos. Really nice car and had a pre reg €6000 off the asking price.


Bit over budget, but giving it serious consideration.