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Club Championships 2018-19

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Looks like the disparity at inter county level is being replicated at club.

    Financial doping ore perhaps the pursuit of excellence?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Looks like the disparity at inter county level is being replicated at club.

    Financial doping ore perhaps the pursuit of excellence?

    #splitcorofin


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Have the provinces been drawn yet for the club hurling semis?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭spurshero


    Have the provinces been drawn yet for the club hurling semis?

    Leinster v Munster Connacht v ulster


  • Registered Users Posts: 294 ✭✭TrueGael


    County Champions of a proud Football County in Meath hammered at home by a Superclub and it doesn't even warrant a mention........

    I guess everybody is desensitised to the constant domination at this stage............


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    TrueGael wrote: »
    County Champions of a proud Football County in Meath hammered at home by a Superclub and it doesn't even warrant a mention........

    I guess everybody is desensitised to the constant domination at this stage............

    With the world's tiniest violin playing the world's saddest song in the background. Dry your eyes for once.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,706 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    spurshero wrote: »
    Leinster v Munster Connacht v ulster

    Tasty semi final in store between Leinster vs Munster champs

    Could be NP/Ballygunner vs Ballyhale

    Although Cushendal won't be any walkovers the Galway champs will fancy themselves getting to an All Ireland final


  • Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭cantwbr1


    TrueGael wrote: »
    County Champions of a proud Football County in Meath hammered at home by a Superclub and it doesn't even warrant a mention........

    I guess everybody is desensitised to the constant domination at this stage............

    Or maybe people are wondering at the hammerings that multiple All Ireland winners St Finbars and multiple finalists Clann na Gael got


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    cantwbr1 wrote: »
    Or maybe people are wondering at the hammerings that multiple All Ireland winners St Finbars and multiple finalists Clann na Gael got


    Wouldn't be huge Kilmacud supporter myself, but truth is that Killarney Crokes, Barrs, and Clann na Gael could all be described as in one way or another "superclubs." Likewise Moorefield in Newbridge who were beaten yesterday, and Portlaoise.

    (Don't know what playing numbers Corofin have.)

    Point is they are big and successful because they put the work in. As someone who was involved in smaller club in Dublin it is difficult competing against the bigger guns, but every club finds its own level and outside of senior mens SHC and SFC there is good spread.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Tasty semi final in store between Leinster vs Munster champs

    Could be NP/Ballygunner vs Ballyhale

    Although Cushendal won't be any walkovers the Galway champs will fancy themselves getting to an All Ireland final

    I presume St Thomas is favouriate to beat Liam Mellows based on their previous encounter? I hope this will be shown on TG4.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭cantwbr1


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Wouldn't be huge Kilmacud supporter myself, but truth is that Killarney Crokes, Barrs, and Clann na Gael could all be described as in one way or another "superclubs." Likewise Moorefield in Newbridge who were beaten yesterday, and Portlaoise.

    (Don't know what playing numbers Corofin have.)

    Point is they are big and successful because they put the work in. As someone who was involved in smaller club in Dublin it is difficult competing against the bigger guns, but every club finds its own level and outside of senior mens SHC and SFC there is good spread.

    I think that the OP was hinting that KMC are using
    unfair means to enhance their team when in reality as you said they are most likely putting the work into their underage and reaping the benefits.

    The match they referenced wasn’t even the most one sided match of the weekend and was in fact more competitive than the super club clashes in Munster and Connacht


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    Bonniedog wrote: »

    (Don't know what playing numbers Corofin have.)

    Massive, should be two clubs really - Belclare and Corofin
    I presume St Thomas is favouriate to beat Liam Mellows based on their previous encounter? I hope this will be shown on TG4.

    Thomas's will be favourites but that group game is no guide, Mellows were missing a few through injury and took a lot of time off in the summer


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Wouldn't be that familiar with Galway but Corofin be smallish population would it not, relative to Killarney, Kilmacud, Roscommon town etc?

    Anyway, it is club that didn't sit around waiting for things to happen out of the blue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    Corofin fielded 4 adult teams this year, Salthill are probably the only others in Galway - if anyone - who have as many adult teams and players

    From being involved with underage Galway club teams in recent years, Corofin would generally have over 30 players togged on underage sides

    They have no town but a very big geographical area

    By the way what they're achieving is phenomenal I'm not taking away from the trojan work being done in the club


  • Registered Users Posts: 294 ✭✭TrueGael


    So Corofin a small rural village in Galway and Dr Crokes (who are basically 1 club out of 4 in the Killarney 'metropolis' of 14,000) are even remotely comparable to a Superclub whose catchment area alone dwarfs most counties but also benefits from quality club/IC players from around the country supplementing the already huge pick???????

    It may come as a shock to some,but having 200 kids at every age and having multiple thousand members isn't a possible reality for Culchie clubs the only club outside the Pale that could be considered a superclub is Nemo and maybe Na Piarsaigh in Limerick



    Forgot to mention that paid coaches (GDAs) from Croke Park are a pipedream for Culchie clubs


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    It takes real dedication to achieve that sort of success. Kilmacud would not be too popular among a lot of clubs in Dublin, but often overlook the fact their own clubs have far lower playing numbers from similar population areas.

    Reason: Because they have lost contact to some extent with the communities and schools they are in. Some once highly successful clubs in Dublin working class areas simply stopped putting in the effort. Now, there are other social reasons for that, but clubs like Finbarrs in Cabra and Peregrines in the vastness of outer Blanchardstown are thriving because they are dedicated.


    Kilmacud and others make such connections a priority, hence their success, and success brings more human and financial resources. But it is the intent to become good that is the key to it all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,285 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    TrueGael wrote: »
    So Corofin a small rural village in Galway and Dr Crokes (who are basically 1 club out of 4 in the Killarney 'metropolis' of 14,000) are even remotely comparable to a Superclub whose catchment area alone dwarfs most counties but also benefits from quality club/IC players from around the country supplementing the already huge pick???????

    Corofin are a rural club yes but I wouldn't call them a small club. They cover quite a large area south of Tuam. By rural club standards I'd say they actually have quite a big pick. Not Kilmacud Crokes big though granted.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭willietherock


    TrueGael wrote: »

    It may come as a shock to some,but having 200 kids at every age and having multiple thousand members isn't a possible reality for Culchie clubs the only club outside the Pale that could be considered a superclub is Nemo and maybe Na Piarsaigh in Limerick

    Why are Nemo Rangers a "super club" and other Cork City clubs aren't?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Lucan Sarsfields have a pick of 17 primary schools and 7 secondary schools. Mullinaghta have 38 children in the local primary school. Numbers do not equate to success.


  • Registered Users Posts: 294 ✭✭TrueGael


    Difference is Lucan are competing with a bunch of Superclubs to win the County Championship as opposed to IC where is there one Monster and there is the rest.....


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,316 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Wouldn't be that familiar with Galway but Corofin be smallish population would it not, relative to Killarney, Kilmacud, Roscommon town etc?

    Anyway, it is club that didn't sit around waiting for things to happen out of the blue.

    Roscommon Town not a massive population, and in truth not a massive GAA club (Roscommon Geals). Clan by far the largest population centre in Roscommon, with Monkland the largest urban population (a de facto suburb of Athlone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    TrueGael wrote: »
    Difference is Lucan are competing with a bunch of Superclubs to win the County Championship as opposed to IC where is there one Monster and there is the rest.....

    Lucan are a big club, as in they have lots of players and as above pointed out, a large catchment area. They are just not that good at the moment.

    You seem to define "superclubs" as big clubs who are successful.


    Oh, and of course they only exist in Dublin :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Jaden


    TrueGael wrote: »
    So Corofin a small rural village in Galway[/I]

    There is nothing small about Corofin's catchment area or setup. Sure their training grounds in Belclare must be 7 or 8 miles from the town itself, and is still in the catchment area.

    That's roughly the same distance as separates NaFianna's ground with Ballybodens - on opposite sides of the city.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭EICVD


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    It takes real dedication to achieve that sort of success. Kilmacud would not be too popular among a lot of clubs in Dublin, but often overlook the fact their own clubs have far lower playing numbers from similar population areas.

    Reason: Because they have lost contact to some extent with the communities and schools they are in. Some once highly successful clubs in Dublin working class areas simply stopped putting in the effort. Now, there are other social reasons for that, but clubs like Finbarrs in Cabra and Peregrines in the vastness of outer Blanchardstown are thriving because they are dedicated.


    Kilmacud and others make such connections a priority, hence their success, and success brings more human and financial resources. But it is the intent to become good that is the key to it all.

    I’m a Peregrines man, we’re actually f****d!


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    EICVD wrote: »
    I’m a Peregrines man, we’re actually f****d!

    Doh!

    Sorry to hear that. Thought you were going reasonably well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭EICVD


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Doh!

    Sorry to hear that. Thought you were going reasonably well.

    Div 3 team avoided relegation the last few years, still relying on ‘red lad’ who’s around 40 for scores, div 5 team isn’t a team, usually 16 different players each week, still in that league only because there was no relegation due to lack of teams. Junior B & C holding their own but the Bs being cut next season so we’ll actually have a Junior A team but the average age will be about 40 so we won’t be winning many, no potential young lads coming through either. Once our superstar is gone from the Dubs panel he’ll head across the border to join his brothers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭Gael85


    EICVD wrote: »
    Div 3 team avoided relegation the last few years, still relying on ‘red lad’ who’s around 40 for scores, div 5 team isn’t a team, usually 16 different players each week, still in that league only because there was no relegation due to lack of teams. Junior B & C holding their own but the Bs being cut next season so we’ll actually have a Junior A team but the average age will be about 40 so we won’t be winning many, no potential young lads coming through either. Once our superstar is gone from the Dubs panel he’ll head across the border to join his brothers.


    Sorry to hear that. Saw against Good Counsel and was surprised how bad ye were. Ciaran McGuinness was going well. Hynes the Dublin lad on u20s was poor that day. Lowndes didn't stand out. Like a lot of Dublin lads who struggle when go back to clubs. Robbie McCarthy and the Lowndes brothers were huge loses when left years ago. Where did Karl O'Connor go to? Remember him playing midfield with Dublin minors about 10 years ago.


  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭GalwayLurker


    Jaden wrote: »
    There is nothing small about Corofin's catchment area or setup. Sure their training grounds in Belclare must be 7 or 8 miles from the town itself, and is still in the catchment area.

    That's roughly the same distance as separates NaFianna's ground with Ballybodens - on opposite sides of the city.

    There's no town in Corofin, it's a rural village. Corofin is made up of 2 half parishes. This talk within the county of the club being too big and should be split is also nonsense, Salthill and St James would have bigger playing numbers but still don't have a patch of the success Corofin do, what Corofin do have is a serious underage development structure which has seen them become the success that they are. If you even look at this year more talented youngsters like Dylan Canney and Darragh Silke are stepping up when it matters, the conveyor belt keeps going.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Mmmm. Split the successful club/county to give the others a chance.

    Rings a bell!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    EICVD wrote: »
    Div 3 team avoided relegation the last few years, still relying on ‘red lad’ who’s around 40 for scores, div 5 team isn’t a team, usually 16 different players each week, still in that league only because there was no relegation due to lack of teams. Junior B & C holding their own but the Bs being cut next season so we’ll actually have a Junior A team but the average age will be about 40 so we won’t be winning many, no potential young lads coming through either. Once our superstar is gone from the Dubs panel he’ll head across the border to join his brothers.
    Vinnie's parting shot was a classic though!!!


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