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The new football championship format - How was it for you ?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,004 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    randd1 wrote: »
    - Run off the Provincial championships as quick as possible. Extra time & penalties, no replays. Every game has to finish on the day.
    - All the losers from the 1st round games and Provincial QF's would amount to 16 teams, they would play Qualifier Round 1, open draw.
    - All the winners from Qualifier Round 1 (8 teams) would go into Pot 1, Provincial Semi Final losers (8 teams) would go into Pot 2. This would be Qualifier Round 2 and the 8 winners would go through to the Championships Group Phase.

    Week 1 - Provincial 1st Round
    Week 2 - Provincial Quarter Finals
    Week 3 - Provincial Semi Finals / Qualifier Round 1
    Week 4 - Provincial Finals / Qualifier Round 2

    Championship Group Phase - The group structure would be as follows;
    Provincial Champions, Provincial runners up from another province, 2 teams from Qualifier Round 2 (that neither provincial finalists have faced). 4 groups of 4, top 2 two to QF's where group winners would face another group runner up, with repeats of the provincial finals disallowed.

    The 16 teams knocked out after Qualifier Round 2 would play a similar 4 group of 4 competition B Competition (All-Ireland Intermediate Championship?), repeat fixtures disallowed until QF's.

    Every team gets a shot at the Provincials, every team has a second chance after being knocked out of the provincial championships, and every team has at least 2 games, all before they're placed in their respective competitions which would be earned on the field of play. Max 7 games before the AI QF's.

    All good apart from the piece in bold.

    Teams at this point already have had a shot at the provincials and the qualifiers, once they are out they are out.

    The problem with the Tommy Murphy Cup was that once a team had played in, and exited, the championship there was feck all appetite of entering a secondary competition.

    If there is to be a secondary competition it should be a standalone competition. Everyone enters it at the same point. Allow it to be a route to the main competition for the next season but not as a backdoor competition.

    In other news it seems that club competitions are further behind than last year even after the schedule changes

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0906/992066-half-of-football-championships-behind-2017-schedule/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Niles Crane


    All good apart from the piece in bold.

    Teams at this point already have had a shot at the provincials and the qualifiers, once they are out they are out.

    The problem with the Tommy Murphy Cup was that once a team had played in, and exited, the championship there was feck all appetite of entering a secondary competition.

    If there is to be a secondary competition it should be a standalone competition. Everyone enters it at the same point. Allow it to be a route to the main competition for the next season but not as a backdoor competition.

    In other news it seems that club competitions are further behind than last year even after the schedule changes

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0906/992066-half-of-football-championships-behind-2017-schedule/

    No suprise with that, it was never a problem with intercounty fixture list, just poor fixture planning and managers not letting players go back to clubs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Hopefully next year the other 7 in the Super 8s will turn up!

    It is a ridiculous name for it. The system suits Dublin and Kerry who at present have no competition in their provinces. Ideally provincial winners should be rewarded by getting two of the three games at home.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,004 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Edgware wrote: »
    Hopefully next year the other 7 in the Super 8s will turn up!

    It is a ridiculous name for it. The system suits Dublin and Kerry who at present have no competition in their provinces. Ideally provincial winners should be rewarded by getting two of the three games at home.

    It's not the name of it

    The GAA have never used the term "Super 8".

    It's a media/societal construct


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Firstly this is more a debate about the structure of the championship rater then the way the championship panned out, so lets try and avoid the splitting Dublin stuff.

    Before I start since Mayo were gone on the 29th of June my interest was not as it has been recently.

    I personally thought that it was run off too quickly.

    The real Irish summer is July and August when schools are off, so I thought that the meat of the championship should have been played then.

    Having the provincial finals all done and dusted by 24th of June just seemed way too early.
    They could have been played in July and then the quarter final groups running on the schedule they ran this year or possibly a week later.

    I also thought the two semi finals on the same weekend was a bad idea.
    Each game deserves their own build up, so a week apart would have been better.

    I though the quarter final groups stages themselves were not bad but could do with a tweaking.

    It's a was good to see important All Ireland series championship games being played outside Dublin, Donegal v Tyrone, Galway v Monaghan and Monaghan v Kerry were good examples of this.
    Three of the last four quarter final games had something at stake, which was not bad.

    The one issue I would have is with the staging of the first games in Croke Park, they were both poorly attended events.

    They should be relocated to neutral regional venues.
    They should go back to the thinking for 2001 (the first year of the quarter finals) when they were all played at neutral venues outside CP.
    But the notion that a provincial winners deserve a game in CP put paid to that.

    Roscommon were the only real duds of the quarterfinals (Kildare put up some good performances).
    Brolly was giving out on The Sunday Game at the time that Roscommon did not belong in the quarter finals and should be in some B cahmpionship.

    Whether they did or not is not Roscommons fault.

    But it is the fault of the imbalanced provincial structure.
    All Roscommon had to so to get there was beat Leitrim, lose to Galway and then beat Armagh

    As a route to the All Ireland series the provincial championships are not fit for purpose
    Possibly the provincial championships should be separate to the all ireland series but still played during the middle of the year. Id get rid of the pre season tournaments. Just let sides play as many/few pre season friendlies before the league as they like.
    I dont think it was run off too quickly as you want clubs playing championship
    Clareman wrote: »
    I found it very poor, it wasn't helped with a compressed summer and being compared with hurling the whole time. I didn't like the whole knock out to try to get to a league to try to get to knock out. For me the "Super 8s" need to start a lot earlier, personally I think get rid of the provincial championships which no-one really cares about anymore.
    I wouldnt get rid of the provincial championships. While we are talking about elite level there should be more to play for/competitions that weaker/smaller counties can win. Removing provincial championships doesnt do that and most counties would never win anything again.
    threeball wrote: »
    All it meant was there was 18 extra crap games sandwiched in to the season. Running a league in the middle of a championship then reverting back to knockout is a hair brained idea that only Padraic Duffy could come up with. He's left a right mess of a legacy.
    Teams like Galway and Donegal suffered badly due to the structure too. There was nothing positive to take from the whole thing. It was a total mess.
    Thats unfair on Duffy and certainly hasnt meant he's made a mess of his legacy. I dont think it meant 18 extra games were crap or sandwiched in.
    blanch152 wrote: »
    The idea was to give time to the club championships. We will only see the real benefit to this later in the year.

    However, the April break for the clubs didn't work. Maybe that should be forgotten about, and the provincial championships could start earlier and the competition less compressed.

    Club championships don't need the summer, because club players are on holidays, the students are abroad etc., so having the club championships get serious on 1 September is a good idea.
    I dont think the april break should be forgotten about. Club players need to play earlier in the year. Club championships do need the summer. Huriling/gaelic are summer sports. Not playing them at all in summer is bonkers.
    blanch152 wrote: »
    I am sure they are, but when they realise that their full-back is in America on a J1 and their veteran full-forward is in Ibiza with his family, the rest of them won't be so keen to take on their neighbours.
    So what. Teams/clubs have to get beyond that. There will always be players missing. That's life.
    mickeyk wrote: »
    I thought it was pretty poor, from the half empty Croker to the defensive dour football in many games it was a fairly dull championship. The super 8 league in the middle of the season didn’t work for me.

    The provincials need to go, I think a seeded group stage at the start followed by two knockout competitions is the way forward but I know it will never happen.

    I also think this was the first year I was absolutely convinced nobody could beat Dublin. They were always deserved favourites recently but this year I would nearly have put my life saving on them such is the regression of the chasing pack. The whole season just had a look of inevitability about it. This obviously isn’t a format issue but it does take from the suspense of the whole thing.
    Removing the provincial championships means there's way fewer competitions to play for and allow smaller teams a chance of beating the big teams.
    Fbjm wrote: »
    Terrible here. So many Saturday evening games. I work Saturdays and I know I'm not the only one in the country having to use A/L just to watch my team. It's very common to have to work on a Saturday for a lot of people and then the GAA write articles wondering why super 8s attendance is so low?? Fools.
    Saturday evenings are great and allow players sundays off. Allow club games be played without distraction.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,004 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Possibly the provincial championships should be separate to the all ireland series but still played during the middle of the year. Id get rid of the pre season tournaments. Just let sides play as many/few pre season friendlies before the league as they like.
    I dont think it was run off too quickly as you want clubs playing championship

    I wouldnt get rid of the provincial championships. While we are talking about elite level there should be more to play for/competitions that weaker/smaller counties can win. Removing provincial championships doesnt do that and most counties would never win anything again.

    The problem is that without access to the All-Ireland series the Provincial championships totally lose their value.

    With the introduction of the quarter final group stages winning, or even getting to, a Provincial final has become more valuable.

    I’ve always though the provincials should be re-aligned into 4 geographical regions of 8 (no NY or Kilkenny).

    That means everyone starts at a regional quarterfinal and also enters the back door at the same point. QF losers round 1, sf losers round 2, final losers round 4.

    No more byes into semi-finals, prelim round etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    I missed a lot of games because my internet service wasn't working and I depend on GAAGo. But it sounds like I didn't miss much in a lot of the games.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Should have been a week between the football semi's and then a week less to the final.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    The problem is that without access to the All-Ireland series the Provincial championships totally lose their value.

    With the introduction of the quarter final group stages winning, or even getting to, a Provincial final has become more valuable.

    I’ve always though the provincials should be re-aligned into 4 geographical regions of 8 (no NY or Kilkenny).

    That means everyone starts at a regional quarterfinal and also enters the back door at the same point. QF losers round 1, sf losers round 2, final losers round 4.

    No more byes into semi-finals, prelim round etc.
    The provincial championships would be changed no doubt but stand alone and not simply played at start of year leading up to all ireland they wouldnt lose all value.
    If you think playing provincial competitions stand alone loses value then moving to symmetrical groups of 8 just to realign things IMO just loses value. Who wants to win the random group of 8 counties. Having it as straight knock out needs to change even with a back door and second chance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭Crash Bang Wall


    Super 8s is just a money racket

    If it was to continue, I dont see why there is a need for an All Ireland semi final.

    Im not a fan

    8 Groups of 4
    Top 2 continue for All Ireland
    Bottom 2 for a secondary trophy....thats an easy system to run off....whether teams would be motivated to win the secondary trophy is debatable.....and it wont get media coverage

    Only Province that "works" is Ulster.....and thats not a strong enough argument to keep the Provincial Championships


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Super 8s is just a money racket


    Without a doubt.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,218 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    For me it was a nod in the right direction, but it was not radical enough.
    We all know the way the GAA will head in the future.
    Less county teams - weaker teams combined geographically- stronger teams split.
    A home and away league championship format among those teams.
    It just depends if we are alive to see it.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Hopefully the planet is wiped out before that happens.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Read a report yesterday that most counties are behind with there championships

    So much for bringing forward the finals


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