Obese model on Cosmo

sexmag

https://www.independent.ie/style/beauty/body/if-i-saw-a-body-like-mine-when-i-was-young-it-would-have-changed-my-life-tess-holliday-on-her-cosmo-cover-37269490.html

"As Britain battles an ever-worsening obesity crisis, this is the new cover of Cosmo," he said.

“Apparently we’re supposed to view it as a ‘huge step forward for body positivity’. What a load of old baloney.


“This cover is just as dangerous and misguided as celebrating size zero models.” Pierse Morgan

I for one have to agree with morgan on this one as mad as that makes me. Im all for being happy in yourself but theres being happy in yourself and presenting an unhealthy dangerous attitude to body weight, he's right in saying this is just as a bad as showing girls that are size zero, people bodys have a healthy weight to be at based on their height and lifestyle activities among other things, there is no excuse to be this big and parade it as a positive to young people

Odelay

sexmag wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/style/beauty/body/if-i-saw-a-body-like-mine-when-i-was-young-it-would-have-changed-my-life-tess-holliday-on-her-cosmo-cover-37269490.html

"As Britain battles an ever-worsening obesity crisis, this is the new cover of Cosmo," he said.

“Apparently we’re supposed to view it as a ‘huge step forward for body positivity’. What a load of old baloney.


“This cover is just as dangerous and misguided as celebrating size zero models.” Pierse Morgan

I for one have to agree with morgan on this one as mad as that makes me. Im all for being happy in yourself but theres being happy in yourself and presenting an unhealthy dangerous attitude to body weight, he's right in saying this is just as a bad as showing girls that are size zero, people bodys have a healthy weight to be at based on their height and lifestyle activities among other things, there is no excuse to be this big and parade it as a positive to young people

That's not plus size, that's obese.

Francie Barrett

sexmag wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/style/beauty/body/if-i-saw-a-body-like-mine-when-i-was-young-it-would-have-changed-my-life-tess-holliday-on-her-cosmo-cover-37269490.html

"As Britain battles an ever-worsening obesity crisis, this is the new cover of Cosmo," he said.

“Apparently we’re supposed to view it as a ‘huge step forward for body positivity’. What a load of old baloney.


“This cover is just as dangerous and misguided as celebrating size zero models.” Pierse Morgan

I for one have to agree with morgan on this one as mad as that makes me. Im all for being happy in yourself but theres being happy in yourself and presenting an unhealthy dangerous attitude to body weight, he's right in saying this is just as a bad as showing girls that are size zero, people bodys have a healthy weight to be at based on their height and lifestyle activities among other things, there is no excuse to be this big and parade it as a positive to young people

Very appropriate user name :pac:

amcalester

It's not often I agree with Morgan but I think he's right here.

Sonics2k

Here's the thing about Plus Size models as far as I'm concerned.

They are absolutely free to be as big as they want, and if people view them as attractive, then that's all good too.

What's really, really bad, is this anti-Doctor, anti-Science approach (like vaccines) that being overweight is 'healthy'. It's not, you will probably die young. Heart disease, diabetes, gout, muscle issues, weak bones are all problems with being overweight.

sexmag

Odelay wrote: »

That's not plus size, that's obese.

Thread changed for clarity

The Princess Bride

Odelay wrote: »

That's not plus size, that's obese.

That's not obese, it's morbidly obese.

Your Face

One extreme to the other.
They should just photograph normal women from a variety of different walks of life.
I think that would be interesting.

I suppose that wouldn't get the headlines.

troyzer

Sonics2k wrote: »

Here's the thing about Plus Size models as far as I'm concerned.

They are absolutely free to be as big as they want, and if people view them as attractive, then that's all good too.

What's really, really bad, is this anti-Doctor, anti-Science approach (like vaccines) that being overweight is 'healthy'. It's not, you will probably die young. Heart disease, diabetes, gout, muscle issues, weak bones are all problems with being overweight.

By definition, being OVERweight is unhealthy. But most of the evidence suggests that having 15-20% body fat depending on your gender is perfectly healthy. If you're a man with 20% bodyfat you definitely don't have a six pack but overall you're probably more healthy than someone who does provided that you still exercise regularly and eat right.

I'm obese, I'm not ashamed to say it. But I have lost a lot of weight and have been really serious about the gym lately. I've lost lots of weight before and put it back on and I'm hoping this time it's different. Body shaming wasn't what got me off my arse so I don't think it works for a lot of people. But glorifying the morbidly obese is shameful. This woman is incredibly unhealthy.

padd b1975

amcalester wrote: »

It's not often I agree with Morgan but I think he's right here.

He's obese as well, so for once in his life he's actually qualified to comment.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

I have no issue with a woman carrying a few extra pounds, but this woman is over 20 stone and wears a UK dress size 26.

The only thing she's "modeling" is a lifestyle destined to end in a host of obesity-related health problems, including diabetes, heart disease, and certain cancers.

It is not "positive" for anyone to emulate her lifestyle. Any woman who is that heavy needs to lose weight, simple as.

seamus

The Princess Bride wrote: »

That's not obese, it's morbidly obese.

That's not morbidly obese, it's hyper obese.

banie01

From the cover

A Supermodel Roars; Tess Holiday wants haters to kiss her ass!

I'll skip the obvious joke.

Rather than force a debate or raising awareness, this is a step towards normalizing morbid obesity.

That cover is far from a celebration of diversity, it is an acceptance of morbid obesity as a new normal.
The costs of accepting that will be far and above any of our previous public health issues.
Now the thing is, the model herself says seeing someone her size on the cover of a magazine when she was young would have made her change her life....
Yet as an adult with an obvious weight issue, she still has yet to take effective action?
My worry would be that now some people will her picture on the cover of a magazine and see it as a reason not to!
It is a dangerous step towards glamourizing an extremely unhealthy lifestyle!

Wanderer78

Seen her interviewed on BBC yesterday, felt a bit sorry for her, few gremlins lurking in her mind I suspect

The Bishop Basher

amcalester wrote: »

It's not often I agree with Morgan but I think he's right here.

I like him, most of the time..

He calls it as he sees it which is a refreshing quality these days.

I completely agree with him on this one.

Obesity shouldn't be celebrated. It kills and costs the state billions.

Sardine

Everyone knows she’s unhealthy but the only reason Cosmo are putting that whale on the cover is to get talked about and for revenue, and it’s probably working. I don’t want to see what she looks like so didn’t click on the link! Think I’ve seen her somewhere before though.

whiskeyman

Indo wrote:

in a shot which has been widely lauded around the world for its inclusivity.

What?

Are fat people a minority race now?

This is all getting out of hand.

Wibbs

It's the beauty/fashion business. It's contains about the highest bullshite level of anything out there in culture. All of it designed to sell insecurities from every angle. Keep women* ever so slightly off balance when they look in the mirror so they buy more and more of your expensive tat to swell coffers to the tune of many billions per year. Fat woman on the cover of Cosmo? Big deal. They know there's a market for it they can tap. While continuing to tout anorexics elsewhere.

I mean have a read of the sidebar and one article after another aimed at keeping women questioning and fretting and offering "solutions" to non existent problems.

"Elle MacPherson reveals her number one tip for staying slim at Christmas - but could you do it?" followed by how she doesn't drink alcohol at Christmas and suggestions of juicing and herbal tea. *strains eye muscles from over rolling* Don't mention her genetics and near starvation diet and heavy duty exercise to keep a "body" like hers. There's more meat on a butchers pencil. Note she doesn't mention what she bloody eats. Feck all would sum that up. Check out the other article where for a nice change Olivia Munn lists her actual food intake. I eat bugger all compared to average and a week on that and I'd need the attentions of a doctor. Or Bob Geldof putting on a gig for me.

I saw this one which kinda sums up that business.



"Real life"? Hahahahhahaha... this is how skewed this "style" nonsense is.





*and it's aimed almost exclusively at and consumed by women. Men that reckon they're being targeted to even close to the same degree are delusional.

Pedro K

The Princess Bride wrote: »

That's not obese, it's morbidly obese.

That's no moon. That's a space station.

Thoie

Sonics2k wrote: »

Here's the thing about Plus Size models as far as I'm concerned.

They are absolutely free to be as big as they want, and if people view them as attractive, then that's all good too.

What's really, really bad, is this anti-Doctor, anti-Science approach (like vaccines) that being overweight is 'healthy'. It's not, you will probably die young. Heart disease, diabetes, gout, muscle issues, weak bones are all problems with being overweight.

I agree that the lady is obese, but it bugs me that no-one ever looks at the extremely underweight models that appear on the majority of magazines and worries about their health. Being extremely underweight, which many models are, also has health implications - osteoporosis, increased risk of certain cancers, decreased immune functions, and more likely to suffer respiratory problems.

The Crowman

This idiot went so far as to accuse a cancer charity of "fat shaming" for correctly saying that obesity can be a cause of cancer.


https://www.indy100.com/article/comedian-sofie-hagen-obesity-cancer-research-campaign-fat-shaming-twitter-overwieight-8237976

Thoie

banie01 wrote: »

It is a dangerous step towards glamourizing an extremely unhealthy lifestyle!

Do you feel the same about magazines that show models who are 178cm and weigh 50kg? Because that's been happening for a long time.

Wibbs

Thoie wrote: »

I agree that the lady is obese, but it bugs me that no-one ever looks at the extremely underweight models that appear on the majority of magazines and worries about their health. Being extremely underweight, which many models are, also has health implications - osteoporosis, increased risk of certain cancers, decreased immune functions, and more likely to suffer respiratory problems.

I agree. They run to extremes for one good reason, it keeps more average sized, even averagely thin women off kilter. Am I too fat/skinny? Average doesn't sell as unattainable and doesn't feed the insecurities.

I do wish there were more run of the mill women on these instead of extremes at both ends

Pedro K

Thoie wrote: »

I agree that the lady is obese, but it bugs me that no-one ever looks at the extremely underweight models that appear on the majority of magazines and worries about their health. Being extremely underweight, which many models are, also has health implications - osteoporosis, increased risk of certain cancers, decreased immune functions, and more likely to suffer respiratory problems.

They have been, for years.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/fashion/2017/may/06/fashion-models-france-doctors-note-thin-health-photographs

wiki, see movement against tab

Sardine

Thoie wrote: »

I agree that the lady is obese, but it bugs me that no-one ever looks at the extremely underweight models that appear on the majority of magazines and worries about their health. Being extremely underweight, which many models are, also has health implications - osteoporosis, increased risk of certain cancers, decreased immune functions, and more likely to suffer respiratory problems.

Because most of us are fat these days so we don’t need encouragement to stay fat or get fatter. I guarantee you these so called extremely underweight models will live long healthy lives. Look at twiggy in the 60s, she looked like skin and bone. She looks great now though, but I doubt the fatty on Cosmo will look great at Twiggys age.

banie01

Thoie wrote: »

Do you feel the same about magazines that show models who are 178cm and weigh 50kg? Because that's been happening for a long time.

TBH, yes!
But then again I'm not the target gender for the vast majority of these "articles".
My own ideal of healthy is fairly far removed from anorexic clothes hanger too.

Wanderer78

bluewolf wrote:

I do wish there were more run of the mill women on these instead of extremes at both ends

A picture of the average mother would be more appropriate, to show the stress of the average woman

jimgoose

That's Tess Holliday, American girl. She's pretty, but she's also well over twenty stone, standing 5' 5'' in her little socks. I hate to say it, but on a scale starting with, as my father used to say, "nicely upholstered" and progressing up via "curvy" and "a bit on the fat side in all fairness", that lassie is morbidly obese.

Wibbs

bluewolf wrote: »

I do wish there were more run of the mill women on these instead of extremes at both ends

It doesn't sell B. And it doesn't keep the insecurity sales going. When "average" women are promoted it's either in a patronising way, or as yet another marketing ploy.

The Bishop Basher

bluewolf wrote: »

I do wish there were more run of the mill women on these instead of extremes at both ends

I like women who look real.

I'm not even a fan of makeup on women.

Same goes for weight, I just prefer real..

suicide_circus

Sardine wrote: »

but I doubt the fatty on Cosmo will look great at Twiggys age.

i doubt she'll reach Twiggys age. that woman is extremely unwell, she's dying.

Gimme A Pound

Thoie wrote: »

Do you feel the same about magazines that show models who are 178cm and weigh 50kg? Because that's been happening for a long time.

Well I certainly do. What's with this "if you criticise one thing it might mean that you're ok with the other thing" stuff all over the internet?

Neither is ok - one being in existence does not cancel out the negatives of the other.

As said, it's a lot easier to become obese too.

Although I don't know if the extremely underweight models (and the ones I'm talking about are scarily thin) will go on to lead healthy lives, but this woman is in an extremely unhealthy way.

And she is not a supermodel (lol) and they are only putting her on the cover because there is this Instagram bbw fad at the moment. Like they're not secretly appalled...

Rennaws

Rennaws wrote: »

I like women who look real.

I'm not even a fan of makeup on women.

Same goes for weight, I just prefer real..

Ah i bet you wouldn't know natural makeup though

LLMMLL

Wibbs wrote: »

I agree. They run to extremes for one good reason, it keeps more average sized, even averagely thin women off kilter. Am I too fat/skinny? Average doesn't sell as unattainable and doesn't feed the insecurities.

I don’t think anyone is looking at overweight models and asking are they too skinny.

The most likely reason Cosmo used a plus sized model was for clicks, not a nefarious scheme to make women hate themselves.

CardinalJ

troyzer wrote:

By definition, being OVERweight is unhealthy. But most of the evidence suggests that having 15-20% body fat depending on your gender is perfectly healthy. If you're a man with 20% bodyfat you definitely don't have a six pack but overall you're probably more healthy than someone who does provided that you still exercise regularly and eat right.

How are you "probably more healthy"?

That is nonsense.

Sardine

Where are these underweight models? Victoria’s Secret models for e.g look perfect to me.

Sonics2k

Thoie wrote: »

I agree that the lady is obese, but it bugs me that no-one ever looks at the extremely underweight models that appear on the majority of magazines and worries about their health. Being extremely underweight, which many models are, also has health implications - osteoporosis, increased risk of certain cancers, decreased immune functions, and more likely to suffer respiratory problems.

Huh?

I'm not saying that being super thin is okay, but people have been working against the modelling industry attitude towards skinny women for absolute yonks now, I remember reading articles in the 90's about it.

Gimme A Pound

Sardine wrote: »

Where are these underweight models? Victoria’s Secret models for e.g look perfect to me.

Certain catwalk models are underweight (and look underage).

Yes, VS models show an example of a very healthy, fit look.

Thoie

Yadiel Little Cedar wrote: »

Well i certainly do. What's with this "if you criticise one thing it might mean that you're ok with the other thing" stuff all over the internet?

Neither is ok - one being in existence does not cancel out the negavities of the other.

As said, it's a lot easier to become obese too.

Although I don't know if the extremely underweight models (and the ones I'm talking about are scarily thin) will go on to lead healthy lives, but this woman is in an extremely unhealthy way.

And she is not a supermodel (lol) and they are only putting her on the cover because there is this Instagram bbw fad at the moment. Like they're not secretly appalled...

While Boards is not representative of the entire population, you see far more "ew, fat people" threads, full of "but what about their health!" comments than you see threads about people who are dangerously underweight. In general magazine covers are far more likely to show underweight models than overweight (or obese) or normal models.

As wibbs said, they go to extremes to keep people off kilter and worried about how they compare.

Sardine

Yadiel Little Cedar wrote: »

Certain catwalk models are underweight (and look underage).

Yes, VS models show an example of a very healthy, fit look.

Yes some of the catwalk models look emaciated but who watches Fashion TV ffs?

seamus

CardinalJ wrote: »

How are you "probably more healthy"?

That is nonsense.

To be fair, the extreme cutting that goes on to get body fat down to ~5% can leave your system in a ****e state, even if someone is apparently a chiseled Adonis from the outside.

Body fat serves more purposes than just insulation and energy storing. Dropping it down to insane levels and keeping it there will do long-term damage.

But to look at professional/competitive athletes at 8-12% body fat and declare oneself "healthier" is of course nonsense.

Hammer89

suicide_circus wrote: »

i doubt she'll reach Twiggys age. that woman is extremely unwell, she's dying.

You said it pal, extremely unwell. She's so unwell that the average and normal teenage girl can't replicate her eating habits, because this lady, this model, is unwell and they aren't. Her fat is a symptom of an illness that you can't just pick up like a hobby.

This lady isn't doing for obesity what Brad Pitt did for that World War 2 haircut by starring in Fury. She isn't stylising anything. There will be no widespread influence.

Non issue in my view.

TOMs WIFE

She said, while referencing female equality, that she wanted to "empower a team of women" to be the "best I can be".

Fail on 2 counts so.

Triceratops Ballet

Yadiel Little Cedar wrote:

Yes, VS models show an example of a very healthy, fit look.

Well yeah obviously cos you can't model underwear if you have no boobs or ass. Realistically though they probably are underweight Kendal Jenner is rumoured to be about 60kg at 6ft that's well under weight for her height

meeeeh

Yadiel Little Cedar wrote: »

Certain catwalk models are underweight (and look underage).

Yes, VS models show an example of a very healthy, fit look.

I know that in nineties there were loads of 13 year old Eastern European girls modelling clothes for women in their 30s, 40s and older. That body size is unattainable. However most women won't be able to achieve the look VS promotes either but it is a bit healthier at least.

As for Cosmo cover, it shows certain body type I wouldn't want to have and I don't find attractive or healthy. I don't like tokenism but if they think it will make them money they can put whoever they want on the cover. Cosmo is not a public health organisation. There is a separate issue that bigger people were ignored by fashion industry. If I had 3 stone more I'd still want to look nice, to dress well and not just in the tunic and leggings combination. It's very easy to make something look good on slim model, t shirt and jeans can be sexy. Majority of women are overweight and it's about time a bit of work is put in how to dress well bigger sizes and ideas how to style things if you are not size 6 or 8.

Sardine

Anyway you’d want to be pretty stupid to think magazine covers should dictate how you’re supposed to look. I wish I had a Men’s Fitness type body but it’s not worth all the work required!

sexmag

Sardine wrote: »

Anyway you’d want to be pretty stupid to think magazine covers should dictate how you’re supposed to look. I wish I had a Men’s Fitness type body but it’s not worth all the work required!

I hope this post is irnoic on purpose?

TOMs WIFE

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

She said, while referencing female equality, that she wanted to "empower a team of women" to be the "best I can be".

Fail on 2 counts so.

And the team of women will probably encourage her "go girl"!

howamidifferent

Here we have the other end of the spectrum.

neither one good for young girls body image.

cantdecide

I've been around 25kg+ overweight in my life and even now I could lose a bit more and I can tell, you get to a point where every extra kg impacts your quality of life in terms of your ability to work through daily life. Even just the fatigue alone. These articles make me want to spit.