Looks like false flag in Syria could be on the cards soon?

Cheerful Spring

The U.S. and Russia exchanged warnings about a possible chemical attack in Syria and a Western military intervention in response, on the eve of what may be one of the decisive campaigns in the Middle Eastern country’s civil war.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-24/u-s-said-to-warn-russia-it-will-hit-assad-if-chemical-arms-used

American Intel is not worth a damn. Jihadists are probably preparing for this behind the scenes.

TheIrishGrover

Two years from now there is going to be a big attack in a war-torn country that will kill hundreds. Just saying: You saw it here first so it's gotta be a setup!

NIMAN

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Two years from now there is going to be a big attack in a war-torn country that will kill hundreds. Just saying: You saw it here first so it's gotta be a setup!

Is there not attacks that kill hundreds fairly regularly?

Cheerful Spring

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Two years from now there is going to be a big attack in a war-torn country that will kill hundreds. Just saying: You saw it here first so it's gotta be a setup!

The Syrian war is entering its final stage. Idlib operation is to commence soon. This the last chance for the Jihadists. The Russians have massed a huge fleet of 24 warships of the coast of Syria it's a massive build-up of firepower. Another time this be headline news. Major powers are preparing potentially to intervene in the war and go head to head. Russia is giving warns to the US to not intervene.

Dohnjoe

What's the conspiracy here?

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

What's the conspiracy here?

According to the Russian ministry of defence, British operatives arrived in Syria and supplied the jihadists with chemical weapons to use and then blame it on Assad. US allies will then have an excuse to attack Assad forces and Iran forces in Syria.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

According to the Russian ministry of defence, British operatives arrived in Syria and supplied the jihadists with chemical weapons to use and then blame it on Assad. US allies will then have an excuse to attack Assad forces and Iran forces in Syria.

If the Russian ministry claims it, then it must be true?

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

If the Russian ministry claims it, then it must be true?

Assad winning the war I believe it. If jihadists claim another chemical attack you know whats going on. Assad has the advantage the war is over. The US and its allies know the end game is near so they are desperate.

US foreign policy is decided by Israel anyhow and you know they to do almost anything to stop Iran influence over Syria.

Dohnjoe

I'll turn it into a question, do you automatically believe everything the Russian foreign ministry claims?

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I'll turn it into a question, do you automatically believe everything the Russian foreign ministry claims?

No, I don't. But US and allies are backing jihadists in Syria. Assad might be a dictator but his not a savage jihadist who chops off heads. Do you think jihadists are moderate rebels? They likely kill you if you met them. We think Assad is a bad guy for fighting back again these killers is insane.

When did Al Qaeda suddenly because US and British allies? Or as I suspect they always were. It strange how this group just disappeared and don't attack the west anymore.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

No, I don't.

Good, that's all I wanted to know, it's good to be skeptical

prinzeugen

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

No, I don't. But US and allies are backing jihadists in Syria. Assad might be a dictator but his not a savage jihadist who chops off heads. Do you think jihadists are moderate rebels? They likely kill you if you met them. We think Assad is a bad guy for fighting back again these killers is insane.

When did Al Qaeda suddenly because US and British allies? Or as I suspect they always were. It strange how this group just disappeared and don't attack the west anymore.

They disappeared because all the nutjobs that wanted to attack the west joined ISIS. Al Qaeda are trying to distance themselves from ISIS and the two are in effect at war with each other.

Cheerful Spring

prinzeugen wrote: »

They disappeared because all the nutjobs that wanted to attack the west joined ISIS. Al Qaeda are trying to distance themselves from ISIS and the two are in effect at war with each other.

Saudi Arabia just moved its assets to Syria and Yemen. ISIS is just another group funded by Saudi Arabia.

They had a professor on MSBC recently who let out the truth. Jimmy Dore who I don't often agree with went through this interview. How he got on there is a mystery, he slipped through the cracks.

He exposed the CIA and Saudi Arabia was behind the Syrian revolution.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

He exposed

He expressed an opinion

There are a lot of opinions on e.g. Syria from politicians, economists, political scientists, etc

Every once in awhile one of them says something that can be construed (or misconstrued) as supporting the classic fringe/conspiracy narrative - and these opinions get hailed as "the real truth"

Cheerful Spring

Syria and Russia allegedly got some video the White Helmets had staging a false flag attack in the Idlib province? Russian has called off the Idlib offensive for now.

mcmoustache

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Syria and Russia allegedly got some video the White Helmets had staging a false flag attack in the Idlib province? Russian has called off the Idlib offensive for now.

But why did the white helmets put a banner on top saying "Staged footage"? That makes no sense.

Cheerful Spring

mcmoustache wrote: »

But why did the white helmets put a banner on top saying "Staged footage"? That makes no sense.

They didn't. The Russians and Syrians put in on there to let people know this is staged footage.

mcmoustache

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

They didn't. The Russians and Syrians put in on there to let people know this is staged footage.

Are you suggesting that it's doctored? Why would the Russians do that?

Cheerful Spring

mcmoustache wrote: »

Are you suggesting that it's doctored? Why would the Russians do that?

It is staged footage. They letting people know this not real. You know what the internet is like if you didn't tell them!

Ipso

You know what the internet is like, even when you do tell them.

Sonics2k

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

They didn't. The Russians and Syrians put in on there to let people know this is staged footage.

I know it's a crazy idea, but. What about the distinct possibility that these staged videos are in fact, staged videos themselves.

There's just as good a chance that Russia/Syria themselves created these videos to make it seem like the events happening are being faked.

mcmoustache

Sonics2k wrote: »

I know it's a crazy idea, but. What about the distinct possibility that these staged videos are in fact, staged videos themselves.

There's just as good a chance that Russia/Syria themselves created these videos to make it seem like the events happening are being faked.

It could well be. Russia has always been pushing "it's staged", "it's fake", "it's false flag" type disinfo for years. In this case, the Russians being able to predict a staged false flag does seem a bit suspicious.

Sonics2k

mcmoustache wrote: »

It could well be. Russia has always been pushing "it's staged", "it's fake", "it's false flag" type disinfo for years. In this case, the Russians being able to predict a staged false flag does seem a bit suspicious.

They also claimed the invasion annexation of Crimea wasn't happening, despite all those Russian tanks and soldiers.

Dohnjoe

Sonics2k wrote: »

They also claimed the invasion annexation of Crimea wasn't happening, despite all those Russian tanks and soldiers.

And that there were no Russian soldiers in Eastern Ukraine, but if there were, they were "on holiday".. fully armed.. with modern tanks

mcmoustache

Sonics2k wrote: »

They also claimed the invasion annexation of Crimea wasn't happening, despite all those Russian tanks and soldiers.

Yeah. It's just a policy of lying with a straight face. It's a fairly old Russian concept called vranyo.

It's basically:

"I'm lying. You know I'm lying. I know that you know that I'm lying but I'm going to do it anyway."

Cheerful Spring

Sonics2k wrote: »

They also claimed the invasion annexation of Crimea wasn't happening, despite all those Russian tanks and soldiers.

Russia had an army/naval base in Crimea pre-coup. Crimea had special status even before then. You can't invade if you already there.

Cheerful Spring

Sonics2k wrote: »

I know it's a crazy idea, but. What about the distinct possibility that these staged videos are in fact, staged videos themselves.

There's just as good a chance that Russia/Syria themselves created these videos to make it seem like the events happening are being faked.

Possible. Russia and Syria don't gain much strategically using these weapons though.

When Syria took over Ghouta they found chemical weapon labs that were clearly owned by jihadists. The lab equipment was supplied by Saudis.

Elmer Blooker

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

According to the Russian ministry of defence, British operatives arrived in Syria and supplied the jihadists with chemical weapons to use and then blame it on Assad. US allies will then have an excuse to attack Assad forces and Iran forces in Syria.

It can't be too long now before 'something' will happen in Syria.
British state run television tonight (Oct 15) is preparing the masses with anti-Syria propaganda, first a Panorama 'documentary' at 8.30 and then something called the House of Assad at 11.30. As I said, it can't be too long now.

Cheerful Spring

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

It can't be too long now before 'something' will happen in Syria.
British state run television tonight (Oct 15) is preparing the masses with anti-Syria propaganda, first a Panorama 'documentary' at 8.30 and then something called the House of Assad at 11.30. As I said, it can't be too long now.

I have a feeling nothing will happen now Elmer the operation in Idlib is called off?

I don't trust Jihadists I believe they have carried out chemical attacks.

I have to be honest though I not sure if you can truly trust the Russian statements no chemical weapons were used by the Syrian government? They used a nerve agent in the UK and pretended it never happened.

Elmer Blooker

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I have to be honest though I not sure if you can truly trust the Russian statements no chemical weapons were used by the Syrian government? They used a nerve agent in the UK and pretended it never happened.

So the Syrian government defeats jihadist mercenaries in Ghouta, allows them to leave on buses and then decides to carry out a 'chemical attack'?
Right ... :rolleyes:

Cheerful Spring

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

So the Syrian government defeats jihadist mercenaries in Ghouta, allows them to leave on buses and then decides to carry out a 'chemical attack'?
Right ... :rolleyes:

That never happened, I agree with you was staged.

We can't say for sure though Syrian government never used chemical weapons against Jihadist strongholds? I just more open this has happened as Russia has shown itself it will lie about chemical weapons.

You have to accept it Russia spies tried to kill Skipral?

cuppa

Seen this a last week, about how using chemicals helped Assad.

"A joint investigation by BBC Panorama and BBC Arabic shows for the first time the extent to which chemical weapons have been crucial to his war-winning strategy."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45586903