Land Rover Discovery or Range Rover HSE sport, which is more reliable?

LillySV

Hi folks,

I’ve always loved the looks of the rangerover sport Hse and would love to buy one in the 2009 to 2013 years but have heard there are problems with reliability? Someone told me that the landrover discovery does not have the same problems but it makes no sense to me how the cheaper option would be more reliable? Could anyone in the know here please explain if these jeeps are unreliable in the years i said, what the common problems are and which is the most reliable? Thanks

ba_barabus

It's the same vehicle under the skin.....Neither is very reliable in all honesty.

Heres Johnny

Dont have the best reputations either of them but I know friends that have both, the discovery is a commercial he relies on for work and it never lets him down.
I have a hankering for a RR Sport myself and I wouldnt be afraid to get one as I have a mechanic that could work on it for me without going near dealers
RR Sport is used high mileage for work too and its done anything asked of it for years. Nice place to be to be honest and I prefer it to the full fat RR.

I cant see either being more or less reliable than others as most parts will be shared and its down to luck sometimes. Ive had 3 older 5 series and never had any hassle but I know plenty that had.

Just remembered an aunt had an Evoque up to recently and traded it for a Toyota CH-R I think its called when it came out of warranty as she did have some issues but believe they were very minor and she just made a drama out of them.

I'd say go for it but have a good inspection by someone that knows them.

LillySV

ba_barabus wrote: »

It's the same vehicle under the skin.....Neither is very reliable in all honesty.

That’s what I was thinking... they would have same engines and same air suspension? Am I right in saying it’s primarily the suspension that’s the problem or are engines troublesome too?and is there anything else? Is there a cheap fix to suspension problem like puttin in spring suspension instead?

LillySV

Heres Johnny wrote: »

Dont have the best reputations either of them but I know friends that have both, the discovery is a commercial he relies on for work and it never lets him down.
I have a hankering for a RR Sport myself and I wouldnt be afraid to get one as I have a mechanic that could work on it for me without going near dealers
RR Sport is used high mileage for work too and its done anything asked of it for years. Nice place to be to be honest and I prefer it to the full fat RR.

I cant see either being more or less reliable than others as most parts will be shared and its down to luck sometimes. Ive had 3 older 5 series and never had any hassle but I know plenty that had.

Just remembered an aunt had an Evoque up to recently and traded it for a Toyota CH-R I think its called when it came out of warranty as she did have some issues but believe they were very minor and she just made a drama out of them.

I'd say go for it but have a good inspection by someone that knows them.

When u say full fat rr what do u mean? Sorry in advance for being ill informed!

Heres Johnny

LillySV wrote: »

When u say full fat rr what do u mean? Sorry in advance for being ill informed!

Theres a range rover thats bigger than the range rover sport....just commonly known as range rover, its the original of the species the sport would be a more recent addition to the lineup.

Its bigger, more expensive, probably more comfortable but I dont think it looks as well. Its a bit too big really and a bit ugly in my opinion.

LillySV

Heres Johnny wrote: »

Theres a range rover thats bigger than the range rover sport....just commonly known as range rover, its the original of the species the sport would be a more recent addition to the lineup.

Its bigger, more expensive, probably more comfortable but I dont think it looks as well. Its a bit too big really and a bit ugly in my opinion.

Yea the sport is a beauty. Are the engines ok in them or is there any bad ones to avoid?

What's your annual mileage and maintenance budget?

LillySV

Augeo wrote: »

What's your annual mileage and maintenance budget?

Wouldn’t be much, let’s say 8500 miles. Budget for maintenance is as little as possible! Haha

selectamatic

Be worth having a look at a lexus rx450h considering your small annual mileage

LillySV

selectamatic wrote: »

Be worth having a look at a lexus rx450h considering your small annual mileage

I’d say they’re a good yoke alright but I’m afraid it’s the rangerover or landrovers I have the hunger for. Hence why I want to see what people say on them here first... If I’m left with the opinion that the rangerovers are pure dirt then I might look at other options like the rx

Daily driving a large cc, 6 to 9year old diesel does 80 miles/week is asking for trouble imo.
The engine might well rarely heat up to operating temp and the ratio of cold starts to mileage will be high.

The hybrid Lexus is far more suitable to your driving.

LillySV

Augeo wrote: »

Daily driving a large cc, 6 to 9year old diesel does 80 miles/week is asking for trouble imo.
The engine might well rarely heat up to operating temp and the ratio of cold starts to mileage will be high.

The hybrid Lexus is far more suitable to your driving.

Well the plan would not be to use it in town or to go to work but for minimum 15 mile drives in eves so she would be getting warmed up... I wouldn’t be light on the pedal either haha

Anyways, so does anyone have a rangerover or a landrover and have any good or bad experiences they can give me please?

Toyotafanboi

If you havn't much time, just watch the first one from 4:20 to the end. Doug is a bit dramatic but it does sound like everything broke at least once and gives you a bit of a flavour of what to expect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzQCj-dbgN0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJNO6p54bUI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvJCCoLoKRA

bazz26

Deep pockets are certainly a requirement.

............and the acceptance that you'll quite likely have the thing in the garage unexpectedly for days on end before you have to open those deep pockets.

A friend is on his 2nd Disco of that generation (ish). The first was a 2007 iirc that he got new, he replaced it with a 2013 one that he still has. The first one had multiple fuel issues under warranty (pump, swarf etc etc).

The second one has been not too bad but he's spent over €1000/year on servicing since it was 2 or 3 years old.

One in the 2009 to 2013 years is likely to need a suspension bit or two every year (for NCT time anyway) and might be needing discs, cables all round etc if they haven't been done already.

You won't find too many low mileage ones about either.

Considering you want to spend as little as possible maintaining the thing and you aren't doing too much mileage I reckon it's not going to be ideal for you.

LillySV

Augeo wrote: »

............and the acceptance that you'll quite likely have the thing in the garage unexpectedly for days on end before you have to open those deep pockets.

A friend is on his 2nd Disco of that generation (ish). The first was a 2007 iirc that he got new, he replaced it with a 2013 one that he still has. The first one had multiple fuel issues under warranty (pump, swarf etc etc).

The second one has been not too bad but he's spent over €1000/year on servicing since it was 2 or 3 years old.

One in the 2009 to 2013 years is likely to need a suspension bit or two every year (for NCT time anyway) and might be needing discs, cables all round etc if they haven't been done already.

You won't find too many low mileage ones about either.

Considering you want to spend as little as possible maintaining the thing and you aren't doing too much mileage I reckon it's not going to be ideal for you.

Thanks lads, yea don’t think I fancy dealing with constant heartbreak. Are the defenders any better?

What would an x5 or cayenne in those year groups be like? Better or worse ?

Nickindublin

LillySV wrote: »

Hi folks,

I’ve always loved the looks of the rangerover sport Hse and would love to buy one in the 2009 to 2013 years but have heard there are problems with reliability? Someone told me that the landrover discovery does not have the same problems but it makes no sense to me how the cheaper option would be more reliable? Could anyone in the know here please explain if these jeeps are unreliable in the years i said, what the common problems are and which is the most reliable? Thanks

I used to own a 2012 RR Sport which I bought in 2015. Fabulous car to drive and very comfortable. I had to get rid of last year due to personal circumstances. First piece of advice is make sure you get a good warranty on it which I did thank f... second piece of advice is stay away from main dealers as they charge a fortune 700 euro for service. Some very good independent mechanics around. These are a specialist car.

Following is what went on it in just over 2 years:

Crankshaft Sensor 3 weeks in garage as it was a body off job.
Lower Wishbones
Air Suspension
Hose( only thing I paid for as warranty covered the rest)
Central Locking
Inlet manifold 3 weeks in garage

Probably about 7000 euros worth of repairs.

Remember the timing belt on these is a body off job too and due at 7 years or 112k miles I think.

As others have pointed out they are both the same car. Service history is very important. Also pricing varies a lot from dealer to dealer

Pre 2012 models are 2350 motor tax and 1200 after 2012.

Would I buy another? I probably would but I would be very cautious.

LillySV

Nickindublin wrote: »

I used to own a 2012 RR Sport which I bought in 2015. Fabulous car to drive and very comfortable. I had to get rid of last year due to personal circumstances. First piece of advice is make sure you get a good warranty on it which I did thank f... second piece of advice is stay away from main dealers as they charge a fortune 700 euro for service. Some very good independent mechanics around. These are a specialist car.

Following is what went on it in just over 2 years:

Crankshaft Sensor 3 weeks in garage as it was a body off job.
Lower Wishbones
Air Suspension
Hose( only thing I paid for as warranty covered the rest)
Central Locking
Inlet manifold 3 weeks in garage

Probably about 7000 euros worth of repairs.

Remember the timing belt on these is a body off job too and due at 7 years or 112k miles I think.

As others have pointed out they are both the same car. Service history is very important. Also pricing varies a lot from dealer to dealer

Pre 2012 models are 2350 motor tax and 1200 after 2012.

Would I buy another? I probably would but I would be very cautious.[/quote

Thanks, that’s really putting the nail into the coffin so... the years I’m considering, I can’t see much more than a 3 month engine and gearbox warranty being provided ... which doesn’t sound adequate enough for an rr. The discovery would need the body off for same jobs would they?

Anyone ever have any experience with the cayenne for same years? Or the x5? Would big petrol engine in cayenne be better for small journeys than a diesel?

CJhaughey

LillySV wrote: »

Nickindublin wrote: »

I used to own a 2012 RR Sport which I bought in 2015. Fabulous car to drive and very comfortable. I had to get rid of last year due to personal circumstances. First piece of advice is make sure you get a good warranty on it which I did thank f... second piece of advice is stay away from main dealers as they charge a fortune 700 euro for service. Some very good independent mechanics around. These are a specialist car.

Following is what went on it in just over 2 years:

Crankshaft Sensor 3 weeks in garage as it was a body off job.
Lower Wishbones
Air Suspension
Hose( only thing I paid for as warranty covered the rest)
Central Locking
Inlet manifold 3 weeks in garage

Probably about 7000 euros worth of repairs.

Remember the timing belt on these is a body off job too and due at 7 years or 112k miles I think.

As others have pointed out they are both the same car. Service history is very important. Also pricing varies a lot from dealer to dealer

Pre 2012 models are 2350 motor tax and 1200 after 2012.

Would I buy another? I probably would but I would be very cautious.[/quote

Thanks, that’s really putting the nail into the coffin so... the years I’m considering, I can’t see much more than a 3 month engine and gearbox warranty being provided ... which doesn’t sound adequate enough for an rr. The discovery would need the body off for same jobs would they?

Anyone ever have any experience with the cayenne for same years? Or the x5? Would big petrol engine in cayenne be better for small journeys than a diesel?

You can't really run one of these for small money, these were expensive cars new and while the purchase price is small for them the running and repair costs won't have dropped the same way.
You are left in a situation where you have no manufacturer warranty and are reliant on a 3rd party warranty which may or may not be of any use when it comes to the type of systems and complexity in these cars.
Yeah they look good, sound good and probably go well but if something goes pop or bang then you are more than likely going to be looking at a big bill.

LillySV

balls i just have a hunger to get something nice with a nice v6 or v8 motor in it..something that hums nicely, pulls well and looks the job...

is the defender the same?? suppose it is??

the cayenne?

Heres Johnny

People just trying to make sure you don't get into something you don't know about and break you financially.
They're not cheap to begin with even a 09 range rover sport costs a pretty penny and the running and servicing of it will be steep too.
You'd want to have a weekly motoring budget of 250+

to finance the loan 100 per week or depreciation if you buy in cash
Fuel 50
Tax 20-40 not sure what it is
Insurance 20-40
Repairs/servicing I'd say 2k a year so another 40

That's what it will cost I'd say so go in with eyes open

Nickindublin

Heres Johnny wrote: »

People just trying to make sure you don't get into something you don't know about and break you financially.
They're not cheap to begin with even a 09 range rover sport costs a pretty penny and the running and servicing of it will be steep too.
You'd want to have a weekly motoring budget of 250+

to finance the loan 100 per week or depreciation if you buy in cash
Fuel 50
Tax 20-40 not sure what it is
Insurance 20-40
Repairs/servicing I'd say 2k a year so another 40

That's what it will cost I'd say so go in with eyes open

You are not to far off with your running figures. My tax was 1200 per year and insurance 920. I would think I was getting an average of 27mpg. But you would get 40 on motorway. You would probably need 1000 a year depending on mileage for servicing(independent mechanic) tyres brakes etc and then if something goes wrong it can be very expensive. Other than that there a great machine.

Heres Johnny

Nickindublin wrote: »

Heres Johnny wrote: »

People just trying to make sure you don't get into something you don't know about and break you financially.
They're not cheap to begin with even a 09 range rover sport costs a pretty penny and the running and servicing of it will be steep too.
You'd want to have a weekly motoring budget of 250+

to finance the loan 100 per week or depreciation if you buy in cash
Fuel 50
Tax 20-40 not sure what it is
Insurance 20-40
Repairs/servicing I'd say 2k a year so another 40

That's what it will cost I'd say so go in with eyes open

You are not to far off with your running figures. My tax was 1200 per year and insurance 920. I would think I was getting an average of 27mpg. But you would get 40 on motorway. You would probably need 1000 a year depending on mileage for servicing(independent mechanic) tyres brakes etc and then if something goes wrong it can be very expensive. Other than that there a great machine.

Yeah I'd like one myself to be honest. It's a nice machine.

Bigsliothar

As was said above you’ll need pockets and a second car

No better machines when running well just to bloody expensive to maintain

A good mechanic will be essential if you go for it

Oafley Jones

Got rid of our three year old Disco last year owing to reliability. 140,000 km and the fuel pump disintegrated and went through the system causing a bill of 11 grand. Took about two months to sort. The electronic parking brake shoes would lock up every so often sending out a brutal screech. There were other small issues as well. I loved it when it worked, but mechanically it was a disaster.

LillySV

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Got rid of our three year old Disco last year owing to reliability. 140,000 km and the fuel pump disintegrated and went through the system causing a bill of 11 grand. Took about two months to sort. The electronic parking brake shoes would lock up every so often sending out a brutal screech. There were other small issues as well. I loved it when it worked, but mechanically it was a disaster.

Jesus that’s terrible! U were covered under warranty I hope? What did u buy since?

The fuel pump issue is far from uncommon.

LillySV

Augeo wrote: »

The fuel pump issue is far from uncommon.

What in your opinion would be best option for me so as I really don’t want to be spending half my spare time on side of road!?Haha.

Would a big petrol or diesel cayenne be nuts?

I’m assuming the defender is sametrouble as other land rovers too?

colm_mcm

Lexus RX400h?

jackob12

Had a 2010 Discovery and had some big issues with the suspension. Because they're air suspension, any sort of electronic issues can lead to problems in the suspension. Got to the stage when Id be driving down the m50 and a red light would come on and say "do not exceed 50kmph" and the suspension would just drop. May as well have had a 64 coupe deville I was bouncing so much.

Having said that, it had 300,000km on the clock.

LillySV

colm_mcm wrote: »

Lexus RX400h?

They probably great but I just not overly gone on their looks... they look way more family suv than Jeep
Any advice even for v6 or v8 cars that would be reliable?

I loved driving the big engines in America and still desire owning one

CJhaughey

LillySV wrote: »

They probably great but I just not overly gone on their looks... they look way more family suv than Jeep
Any advice even for v6 or v8 cars that would be reliable?

I loved driving the big engines in America and still desire owning one

I don't see a lot of difference between the RX and the Cayenne TBH?

Oafley Jones

LillySV wrote: »

Jesus that’s terrible! U were covered under warranty I hope? What did u buy since?

Out of warranty, so FU from JLR. J&P covered a good bit with good will, but we were still left with a bill for a couple of grand. Swapped it for a Sorento, which is actually great.

LillySV

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Out of warranty, so FU from JLR. J&P covered a good bit with good will, but we were still left with a bill for a couple of grand. Swapped it for a Sorento, which is actually great.

Jesas that was a harsh lesson.. well hope the sorrento serves u well

LillySV

CJhaughey wrote: »

I don't see a lot of difference between the RX and the Cayenne TBH?

Haha I’m not saying no to the rx idea yet, just being honest, think the front and back is ugly.

So others here say x5 is crap too?

What about the toureg or the Jeep Grand Cherokee

Dr Turk Turkelton

I got a 2012 just before Christmas and so far no problems(touches wood).
Got new timing belts on it before I bought it and it really is a lovely machine to drive.

LillySV

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

I got a 2012 just before Christmas and so far no problems(touches wood).
Got new timing belts on it before I bought it and it really is a lovely machine to drive.

That the Hse sport? What mileage ?

Dr Turk Turkelton

Yeah,148k.(kms)
3.0 v6.

shooter69

What about the toureg or the Jeep Grand Cherokee[/quote]

I had a v6 Touareg 07 few years back , absolutely loved it and apart from a carrier bearing no issues . Fantastic jeep to drive and mega comfortable, actually saw it again the other day so still going strong ! If you are getting one forget the 2.5 and go straight for the 3.0 v6 .

Blazer

The best advice I've ever heard on this forum was in regards to the price of the car.
Just because you bought a 60 grand car for 15k doesn't mean its gonna be cheap.
Its not ...you still have to service a 60k car and they're not cheap.
You need to factor in service costs to it and add easily 1-2k a year in case of issues.
Its what always puts me off the X5 with its crap reliability.

LillySV

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

Yeah,148k.(kms)
3.0 v6.

Jez that was low miles to get the belt done...it was good they did it for ya considering the body has to be taken off!
Well good thing is since its low miles you can make sure to take care of it

shooter69 wrote: »

What about the toureg or the Jeep Grand Cherokee

I had a v6 Touareg 07 few years back , absolutely loved it and apart from a carrier bearing no issues . Fantastic jeep to drive and mega comfortable, actually saw it again the other day so still going strong ! If you are getting one forget the 2.5 and go straight for the 3.0 v6 .[/QUOTE]

It would definitely be the v6 id go for..think its the same three litres diesel as the porsche anyways

Blazer wrote: »

The best advice I've ever heard on this forum was in regards to the price of the car.
Just because you bought a 60 grand car for 15k doesn't mean its gonna be cheap.
Its not ...you still have to service a 60k car and they're not cheap.
You need to factor in service costs to it and add easily 1-2k a year in case of issues.
Its what always puts me off the X5 with its crap reliability.

i dont mind service costs but 2k to 11 k repars twice a year along with servicing is what would kill me!

Id love to buy an old 15k Maserati with the 4.2l ferrari engine too but im pretty certain the purchase price would be cheaper than the cost of fixes so im not buying that either! haha

listermint

145k.is not low miles to get a belt changed.

It's highly appropriate miles.

Some marques guide is 70 to 80k

Dr Turk Turkelton

Think the recommended change was 170k but I wanted it done as it was nearly a six yeast old car.
December a good time for negotiations on a car both price and mechanical!
I doubt think timing belt is a body off job but the back belt is a pig of a job.

Nickindublin

I look at forums a lot. Land Rover has a terrible record for reliability as everyone knows. The biggest issue they have now is this ad blue. They recommend 21000 miles between service. When actually the cars are calling in at 7000 for a service. The Disco sport is terrible. Reported fault of a B pillar rattle. it is still going on 3 years ltr.

RR sport in UK are blowing engines from a crankshaft.

LillySV

LillySV wrote: »

....

What about....Jeep Grand Cherokee

Mercedes v6 om642 in the 2005 ish on variant .... you'd buy one for pennies compared to a RR or LR. Leaking oil cooler seals would be the biggest worry on them Imo. Easy to check if that's an issue on a particular vehicle pre purchase

The 2011 ish fiaty ones are gorgeous.... one of my near neighbours have a 151 model...

Potential maintenance & mpg put me off them and similar full fat 4x4 SUV things.... I'm in a sorento too like another poster. I do maybe 20k miles a year though so anything less than mid 30s mpg wouldn't appeal.

LillySV

Augeo wrote: »

Mercedes v6 om642 in the 2005 ish on variant .... you'd buy one for pennies compared to a RR or LR. Leaking oil cooler seals would be the biggest worry on them Imo. Easy to check if that's an issue on a particular vehicle pre purchase

The 2011 ish fiaty ones are gorgeous.... one of my near neighbours have a 151 model...

Potential maintenance & mpg put me off them and similar full fat 4x4 SUV things.... I'm in a sorento too like another poster. I do maybe 20k miles a year though so anything less than mid 30s mpg wouldn't appeal.

the fiat ones would kind of scare me re:reliability...Fix It Again Tomro ...
in regard to the 3 litre merceded engine, is that the one that is in the chrysler 300 cars? they look nice too

LillySV

LillySV wrote: »

in regard to the 3 litre merceded engine, is that the one that is in the chrysler 300 cars? they look nice too

Yup

LillySV

Augeo wrote: »

Yup

jesas i dont know what to get now!! haha...

i should explain that i own an e60 520d msport which i love, i also have a red italian sportsbike which i love..the car/jeep im looking for is for my wife (me really) and as i have so many toys and a middleman(or less?) salary my options are limited..i cant afford a ball of ****e that costs me a grand a month...

As i said earlier, id just love to get a big engines vehicle, v6 upwards before the b*stards in leinster house ban them!

Nickindublin

LillySV wrote: »

jesas i dont know what to get now!! haha...

i should explain that i own an e60 520d msport which i love, i also have a red italian sportsbike which i love..the car/jeep im looking for is for my wife (me really) and as i have so many toys and a middleman(or less?) salary my options are limited..i cant afford a ball of ****e that costs me a grand a month...

As i said earlier, id just love to get a big engines vehicle, v6 upwards before the b*stards in leinster house ban them!

The biggest issue with all these SUV are there size. The RRS and Discovery are over 2.5 tonne. So parts break on them. As they are premium vehicles costing 100k new labour and parts will be expensive.


OP my advice to you is buy the SUV you like. Make sure it has a good service history. If you can get one with low mileage better again but you pay a premium. Also a good warranty is needed too.

Whats your budget?

jackob12

Could just get a RR for a year. Experience it and pray nothing goes wrong. Get the itch out of your system and then move onto another car after. Minimize risk while getting to drive the jeep you want to. Get one with relatively high mileage (150k) and depreciation wont really come into account.