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Misconduct in public office.

  • 05-08-2018 12:26pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,685 ✭✭✭


    As far as I know, the offence known as "misconduct in public office" exists in common law in England & Wales and Northern Ireland.



    In England & Wales there have been several convictions on that charge in England & Wales, e.g. the newspaper phone-hacking cases, and one case that I know of in Northern Ireland.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-26971485


    Does that offence exist in law in the Republic?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    As far as I know, the offence known as "misconduct in public office" exists in common law in England & Wales and Northern Ireland.



    In England & Wales there have been several convictions on that charge in England & Wales, e.g. the newspaper phone-hacking cases, and one case that I know of in Northern Ireland.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-26971485


    Does that offence exist in law in the Republic?
    "Misconduct in public office" an offence in the Republic ??
    Thats a good one. Any more jokes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,685 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Edgware wrote: »
    "Misconduct in public office" an offence in the Republic ??
    Thats a good one. Any more jokes


    Why do you think I was joking?


    The Republic is, like Northern Ireland and England & Wales, a common-law jurisdiction. Presumably, that means that an offence that existed in law when all of the island of Ireland was part of the UK still exists unless it has been decriminalised or replaced by a statutory offence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    The second poster might have been referring to the Realpolitik in Ireland, where Misconduct in Public Office is almost never treated as an issue by the authorities,
    Willie O'Dea, while a govt minister, lied under oath at the High court, to try impugn a SF politician. Was never charged
    Bertie Ahern lied about the source of monies he got and the reasons for them while Taoiseach. He also lied about his education record while Taoiseach.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    The second poster might have been referring to the Realpolitik in Ireland, where Misconduct in Public Office is almost never treated as an issue by the authorities,
    Willie O'Dea, while a govt minister, lied under oath at the High court, to try impugn a SF politician. Was never charged
    Bertie Ahern lied about the source of monies he got and the reasons for them while Taoiseach. He also lied about his education record while Taoiseach.

    And thats only the start.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,733 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Sure driving up motorways the wrong way slaughtered drunk is only for the craic like, no harm in it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    The second poster might have been referring to the Realpolitik in Ireland, where Misconduct in Public Office is almost never treated as an issue by the authorities, Willie O'Dea, while a govt minister, lied under oath at the High court, to try impugn a SF politician. Was never charged Bertie Ahern lied about the source of monies he got and the reasons for them while Taoiseach. He also lied about his education record while Taoiseach.

    That money was only resting in my account! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    That money was only resting in my account! :)

    What account? The Minister for Finance has no accounts....


    Also Fine Gael seem to not care about convict Lowry


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭nuac


    Mod
    Could we try to keep this to topic rather than party political handbagging?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 907 ✭✭✭Under His Eye


    Does the OP not mean Malfeasance/Misfeasance in Public Office?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,685 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Does the OP not mean Malfeasance/Misfeasance in Public Office?


    That's a civil offence.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Does the OP not mean Malfeasance/Misfeasance in Public Office?

    Malfeasance (US)/Misfeasance (UK) is a tort.


    That's a civil offence.

    We do not have civil offences in this jurisdiction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Back to the OPs query, misconduct in public office is a common law offence dating from the13th century.

    The offence has never been used here, however in DPP vs Bartley (13 June 1997, unreported) High Court Mr. Justice Carney gave approval (obiter) to a UK case R vs Dytham [1979] 2 All ER 641 (CA) (which is a leading authority on the issue) in applying it's principles to members of the Gardaí thus confirming the offence was in force here (at least for Gardaí) for a limited time - just 39 days later the offence was abolished due to the introduction of the Criminal Law Act 1997.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,685 ✭✭✭political analyst


    GM228 wrote: »
    Malfeasance (US)/Misfeasance (UK) is a tort.





    We do not have civil offences in this jurisdiction.


    Aren't a tort and a civil offence the same thing?



    I used the term "civil offence" to distinguish from "criminal offence".



    I vaguely remember the term "civil offence" being used by a character to refer to trespassing when he was being questioned on "The Bill".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 907 ✭✭✭Under His Eye


    No such thing as a "civil offence". They are torts that are actionable in the civil courts.


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